My First Clean Bulk: looking for opinions/tips
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@LolBroScience the extra protein provides more calories that aren't carbs or fat. Plus the extra protein will help with protein synthesis. Proteins are also less likely to be stored as adipose tissue. Carbs are easily stored and so is fat. Proteins also don't elicit a large insulin spike like carbs do. I'm not saying that only certain macros will be stored in excess, obviously if you eat too much of anything it'll store. How about you tell me what the benefit of taking in 500 carbs is? My point is if he has to chose from more carbs or more protein, go with protein bc the carbs are already high enough. It sounds like you're getting pretty defensive though, which makes me wonder if you even know what you're talking about. But hey, that's why I look how I look and you look how you do.
The foundation of broscience is built on sand0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »The calories look about right. About 5-6 pounds in 4 weeks is a little more than the recommened .5-1 pound per week. Are your lifts going up? Measurements? Ice cream and cheese curds have been my go to foods.
I discovered deep fried cheese curds last year....hnnnnnng0 -
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@LolBroScience the extra protein provides more calories that aren't carbs or fat. Plus the extra protein will help with protein synthesis. Proteins are also less likely to be stored as adipose tissue. Carbs are easily stored and so is fat. Proteins also don't elicit a large insulin spike like carbs do. I'm not saying that only certain macros will be stored in excess, obviously if you eat too much of anything it'll store. How about you tell me what the benefit of taking in 500 carbs is? My point is if he has to chose from more carbs or more protein, go with protein bc the carbs are already high enough. It sounds like you're getting pretty defensive though, which makes me wonder if you even know what you're talking about. But hey, that's why I look how I look and you look how you do.
So, you are saying that DNL occurs easily/as easy as storing dietary fat as fat? Is this not ignoring net fat oxidation? You realize that there is a limit on how much protein that is used for MPS. Protein is insulinogenic - and its not bad necessarily anyway.
If he has sufficient carbs (and 500g would generally be considered to be sufficient) and sufficient carbs (in a bulk, protein requirements decrease btw), then why would you go for one or the other? Why not just eat to your preference?
OP: you are really light on fruits and veggies.
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@LolBroScience the extra protein provides more calories that aren't carbs or fat. Plus the extra protein will help with protein synthesis. Proteins are also less likely to be stored as adipose tissue. Carbs are easily stored and so is fat. Proteins also don't elicit a large insulin spike like carbs do. I'm not saying that only certain macros will be stored in excess, obviously if you eat too much of anything it'll store. How about you tell me what the benefit of taking in 500 carbs is? My point is if he has to chose from more carbs or more protein, go with protein bc the carbs are already high enough. It sounds like you're getting pretty defensive though, which makes me wonder if you even know what you're talking about. But hey, that's why I look how I look and you look how you do.
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asflatasapancake wrote: »I had read that one should bump up their carbs in a bulk for energy. In a cut, raise the protein a bit more. IDK.
Yep - your protein requirements increase in a deficit.
Re carbs - at some point, more carbs just do not give anymore energy - preference really should prevail.
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asflatasapancake wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »The calories look about right. About 5-6 pounds in 4 weeks is a little more than the recommened .5-1 pound per week. Are your lifts going up? Measurements? Ice cream and cheese curds have been my go to foods.
I discovered deep fried cheese curds last year....hnnnnnng
Perfect for bulking. Fat, protein, carbs, lots of calories. And of course, they taste awesome too. This is on my menu quite often lately:
http://www.culvers.com/menu-and-nutrition/sides/menu-item-details/wisconsin-cheese-curds/#nutrition
I had them first when visiting SideSteel in MN (and make sure to get them when I can when I visit) - and actually had the ones from Culvers in my last trip.
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where are the veg and fruits? Important stuff...0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »where are the veg and fruits? Important stuff...
But but but, that would increase carbs, not protein, which contradicts the "I look like I do" bro.0 -
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Also, as mentioned, pics are going to be necessary as 175 at 5'9 and 9.4 percent is pretty damn ripped.0
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Michael190lbs wrote: »How did you measure your body fat so perfect to have a decimal point? Super Bro-science man...lolcodsterlaing95 wrote: »You weigh 175 with about 10% bf at 5'9? Isn't that superman size?
Because when you get tested, they report it to that fraction. It's not bro science. It may not be accurate but that's how they report it.
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Michael190lbs wrote: »How did you measure your body fat so perfect to have a decimal point? Super Bro-science man...lolcodsterlaing95 wrote: »You weigh 175 with about 10% bf at 5'9? Isn't that superman size?
Because when you get tested, they report it to that fraction. It's not bro science. It may not be accurate but that's how they report it.
7 site skinfold (calipers) test will give you fractions.0 -
@eric_sg61 you're killing me. I doubt it'll change your mind on the situation but I have a degree in Kinesiology from UIUC, one of the best programs in the country. I've worked with elite college athletes and in clinical settings. So how is any of this bro science? I really don't need your justification. Since I can see this is going nowhere, and to truly get what I'm saying across to a few of you it would take forever, I'll just let you guys be right. You took what I was saying and made it into a gross generality. I'm not saying fat = fat or carbs = fat. At a molecular level there are different metabolic pathways to storing and breaking down nutrients. Eh, I've gone to far. I'd also like to say that same if you have sweet profile pics.0
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@LolBroScience the extra protein provides more calories that aren't carbs or fat. Plus the extra protein will help with protein synthesis. Proteins are also less likely to be stored as adipose tissue. Carbs are easily stored and so is fat. Proteins also don't elicit a large insulin spike like carbs do. I'm not saying that only certain macros will be stored in excess, obviously if you eat too much of anything it'll store. How about you tell me what the benefit of taking in 500 carbs is? My point is if he has to chose from more carbs or more protein, go with protein bc the carbs are already high enough. It sounds like you're getting pretty defensive though, which makes me wonder if you even know what you're talking about. But hey, that's why I look how I look and you look how you do.
The foundation of broscience is built on sand
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So an inaccurate test is somehow real science? I think it belongs in the bro-science category in the context of this thread..Michael190lbs wrote: »How did you measure your body fat so perfect to have a decimal point? Super Bro-science man...lolcodsterlaing95 wrote: »You weigh 175 with about 10% bf at 5'9? Isn't that superman size?
Because when you get tested, they report it to that fraction. It's not bro science. It may not be accurate but that's how they report it.
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Michael190lbs wrote: »
So an inaccurate test is somehow real science? I think it belongs in the bro-science category in the context of this thread..Michael190lbs wrote: »How did you measure your body fat so perfect to have a decimal point? Super Bro-science man...lolcodsterlaing95 wrote: »You weigh 175 with about 10% bf at 5'9? Isn't that superman size?
Because when you get tested, they report it to that fraction. It's not bro science. It may not be accurate but that's how they report it.
Broscience is where anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research. Inaccurate body fat measurements aren't broscience, it's just bad methods of collecting and applying data.0 -
@eric_sg61 you're killing me. I doubt it'll change your mind on the situation but I have a degree in Kinesiology from UIUC, one of the best programs in the country. I've worked with elite college athletes and in clinical settings. So how is any of this bro science? I really don't need your justification. Since I can see this is going nowhere, and to truly get what I'm saying across to a few of you it would take forever, I'll just let you guys be right. You took what I was saying and made it into a gross generality. I'm not saying fat = fat or carbs = fat. At a molecular level there are different metabolic pathways to storing and breaking down nutrients. Eh, I've gone to far. I'd also like to say that same if you have sweet profile pics.
Strong backpedal. Must by why your calves are bigger than mine.0 -
Gentlemen.. Gentlemen...
There is no bro science. Only ice cream.
Lots, and lots of ice cream.0 -
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Wow, that's a hell of a lot of bro food, dude. Do you eat anything that tastes good? And what exactly is a "cheat day" when you're bulking. You eat at a deficit on that day or something? I kid, but seriously, there's no cheating while bulking - there's only eating.0
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Michael190lbs wrote: »
So an inaccurate test is somehow real science? I think it belongs in the bro-science category in the context of this thread..Michael190lbs wrote: »How did you measure your body fat so perfect to have a decimal point? Super Bro-science man...lolcodsterlaing95 wrote: »You weigh 175 with about 10% bf at 5'9? Isn't that superman size?
Because when you get tested, they report it to that fraction. It's not bro science. It may not be accurate but that's how they report it.
Who said it was innaccurate? Just because he is sub 10% and you don't believe it.
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A degree in Kinesiology with a minor in "I know you are, but what am I 101".0
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You just don't get it, and sometimes that's okay! You'll get there eventually. Just keep doing what your doing! That arm blaster belt look really cool, can I borrow it?0
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and as usual..these threads breakdown to a pissing contest.0
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Blah, your quote fail made me fail.0
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So...can I borrow it?0
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So, if the bros are arguing against upping the carbs in a bulk, why have they not mentioned that OP bro's mass gainer is 80% carbs, and constitutes 61% of his carb intake? Mass gainer, essential bulking tool of the bros, is basically all carbs, but pushing the carbs up is wrong for bulking. My brain hurts.0
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