CI/CO vs Clean Eating
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UltimateRBF wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
Weak flamebait
So you don't know either?
That's cool...
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PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
This seems like a 180 from your statements in the other thread where the writer was "brutally honest." In that thread, you made the case that his way of presenting his position was inappropriate, but here you state that if a person refers to another person's choice of foods as "crap," that the person eating the food has disordered thinking if they find that offensive. Wouldn't it be the same thing here?0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
This seems like a 180 from your statements in the other thread where the writer was "brutally honest." In that thread, you made the case that his way of presenting his position was inappropriate, but here you state that if a person refers to another person's choice of foods as "crap," that the person eating the food has disordered thinking if they find that offensive. Wouldn't it be the same thing here?
I made no comment about *what* people eat or don't eat. I really don't care, and if someone wants to lose weight on 1200 calories of Wagon Wheels or on organic humanured broccoli - it's all the same to me.
I was referring to how they talk about food they eat - and especially about food they don't eat. It seems to me that having strong reactions to what *other* people eat - reactions strong enough to resort to derogatory language - suggests other issues are in play.
And that's fine too - some days I wonder if the internet is just a device to bring "other issues" to the surface.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
That's a reach, even for you.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
That's a reach, even for you.
I have a feeling...not.
Either way, it's all good.
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you know you can make it
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The thing i think is ironic is that in 5 pages of posts, unless I missed it, no one pointed out that the OP.shouldn't be asking about CICO vs Clean Eating for weight loss as if those things are mutually exclusive... since CICO is required for weight loss whether you are eating clean or dirty....
Technically CICO happens no matter what type of eating plan one has. Every breathing creature goes requires and expends energy. So often on these thread people turn CICO in to a specific diet.
Same thing happens with the term IIFYM. Someone that eats "clean" and still use the IIFYM method.
IMO...CICO is required...just to live. I might be wrong though...I often am!
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PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
I agree...I don't really care what some random stranger thinks about what I eat. Not the good, the bad or even the ugly of my food. I really don't care what they eat. I just hope that everyone has enough food to eat regardless of what it is.
IDK...I have read several of PC's posts before...I think she has a grip on her food.
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TrailBlazinMN wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »The answer is no, no they will not.
If someone eats healthily all day long, meets their macro- and micro-nutrient goals for the day, and lives an active and healthy lifestyle, a bowl of ice cream or a couple of cookies at the end of the day is going to have zero effect on health or performance.
@Alyssa_Is_LosingIt -I think it's pretty awesome you know how food affects every single person in this world. By the way, not everyone can just have one bowl of ice cream or a couple of cookies. There is reason why some people need to eat "super clean", just like alcoholics can't have a sip and drug users can't just have one hit/line/etc.slideaway1 wrote: »On a personal level I agree with this. I physically feel different (usually the day after) between getting my Carb Source from something like a sweet potato (Complex Carb) and veg, to eating Pizza the night before. Some people might not be as sensitive to this though.
This. I agree that some people might not be as sensitive to this but I think those people are far and few. On the other hand, I have realized the higher quality of food someone eats, the more their body rejects lower quality foods. It's like their body doesn't want to tolerate lower quality foods and only wants the good stuff.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
This seems like a 180 from your statements in the other thread where the writer was "brutally honest." In that thread, you made the case that his way of presenting his position was inappropriate, but here you state that if a person refers to another person's choice of foods as "crap," that the person eating the food has disordered thinking if they find that offensive. Wouldn't it be the same thing here?
I made no comment about *what* people eat or don't eat. I really don't care, and if someone wants to lose weight on 1200 calories of Wagon Wheels or on organic humanured broccoli - it's all the same to me.
I was referring to how they talk about food they eat - and especially about food they don't eat. It seems to me that having strong reactions to what *other* people eat - reactions strong enough to resort to derogatory language - suggests other issues are in play.
And that's fine too - some days I wonder if the internet is just a device to bring "other issues" to the surface.
If I'm reading correctly, you're saying that you believe that people resorting to derogatory language (i.e. calling for "crap") are the ones who have disordered thinking about food, is that right?
The way your first comment was written and the post it quoted gave the impression that you were saying that the user you quoted has disordering thinking about food, which is why I asked.0 -
TrailBlazinMN wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »The answer is no, no they will not.
If someone eats healthily all day long, meets their macro- and micro-nutrient goals for the day, and lives an active and healthy lifestyle, a bowl of ice cream or a couple of cookies at the end of the day is going to have zero effect on health or performance.
@Alyssa_Is_LosingIt -I think it's pretty awesome you know how food affects every single person in this world. By the way, not everyone can just have one bowl of ice cream or a couple of cookies. There is reason why some people need to eat "super clean", just like alcoholics can't have a sip and drug users can't just have one hit/line/etc.slideaway1 wrote: »On a personal level I agree with this. I physically feel different (usually the day after) between getting my Carb Source from something like a sweet potato (Complex Carb) and veg, to eating Pizza the night before. Some people might not be as sensitive to this though.
This. I agree that some people might not be as sensitive to this but I think those people are far and few. On the other hand, I have realized the higher quality of food someone eats, the more their body rejects lower quality foods. It's like their body doesn't want to tolerate lower quality foods and only wants the good stuff.
Except the idea that alcoholics have to abstain from alcohol for their entire life isn't evidence based - it comes from the religiously founded belief in abstaining from pleasurable things, both because of the culture it was created by and because AA is a religiously founded group.
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Again, I am so confused about how people are using "eating clean" that I'm not sure why anyone thinks it communicates anything understandable.
I have no problem understanding clean eating posts and have a very good idea of what the posters who use the term mean.
They don't mean anything consistent.
In this very thread we've had people say that vegetarian hot dogs (and it seems other hot dogs) and ice cream are fine, yet normally we hear that "clean" excludes ALL processed or packaged foods. We've also had someone include McD's in "clean eating."I never have, and never will, think of food as "just food". I like feeling good about the foods I eat in general and I absolutely love the traditions and memories I associate with food. There would be a pretty big void in my life without them.
This is why I would never, ever go along with calling my homemade pies, which I associate strongly with holidays and family tradition, as CRAP. Yet that's a common claim by "clean eaters" (as I happily admit they include refined sugar and white flour).0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Again, I am so confused about how people are using "eating clean" that I'm not sure why anyone thinks it communicates anything understandable.
I have no problem understanding clean eating posts and have a very good idea of what the posters who use the term mean.
They don't mean anything consistent.
It's consistent enough. I also have little trouble understanding what posters generally mean by "clean" food.
More to the point - whatever the definition, there's not a thing wrong with eating "clean".
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PeachyCarol wrote: »I for one, am so tired of seeing people call what other people eat CRAP.
Why?
If you're confident in what you do and the choices you make, it makes zero difference what random people on an anonymous board call "crap" or "good".
It sounds like you may have disordered thinking about food, TBH.
This seems like a 180 from your statements in the other thread where the writer was "brutally honest." In that thread, you made the case that his way of presenting his position was inappropriate, but here you state that if a person refers to another person's choice of foods as "crap," that the person eating the food has disordered thinking if they find that offensive. Wouldn't it be the same thing here?
I made no comment about *what* people eat or don't eat. I really don't care, and if someone wants to lose weight on 1200 calories of Wagon Wheels or on organic humanured broccoli - it's all the same to me.
I was referring to how they talk about food they eat - and especially about food they don't eat. It seems to me that having strong reactions to what *other* people eat - reactions strong enough to resort to derogatory language - suggests other issues are in play.
And that's fine too - some days I wonder if the internet is just a device to bring "other issues" to the surface.
Calling foods that other people eat CRAP is rude. I don't really care if people do it to my foods--I think it's mostly just funny, and I do think I eat pretty well and the things that aren't so nutrient dense that I eat are foods I feel perfectly good about--but IMO it's boorish behavior and thus I like calling people out for doing it.
It's also often employed in extremely bizarre ways, like in the thread recently where all potatoes are junk or in the current thread where any pizza at all is "lower quality food" that will make less sensitized people feel horrible (and those who don't feel horrible are few and far between).0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Again, I am so confused about how people are using "eating clean" that I'm not sure why anyone thinks it communicates anything understandable.
I have no problem understanding clean eating posts and have a very good idea of what the posters who use the term mean.Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »It's all just food, it serves more or less the same purpose - why would you add feels to it when there are none?
I never have, and never will, think of food as "just food". I like feeling good about the foods I eat in general and I absolutely love the traditions and memories I associate with food. There would be a pretty big void in my life without them.
Another bad word choice on my part, as that's not what I meant. Yes, I enjoy food. I enjoy all kinds of foods. I love to be a part of a holiday tradition when I make my grandmother's dressing for Thanksgiving, and having my monthly sushi night with my girlfriends.
I was talking more along the lines of "Oh I don't eat XYZ because it makes me feel bad; I feel SO much better when I just eat ABC."
*Another disclaimer: I am NOT talking about people with genuine food sensitivites/allergies, such as Celiac's.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Again, I am so confused about how people are using "eating clean" that I'm not sure why anyone thinks it communicates anything understandable.
I have no problem understanding clean eating posts and have a very good idea of what the posters who use the term mean.
They don't mean anything consistent.
It's consistent enough. I also have little trouble understanding what posters generally mean by "clean" food.
More to the point - whatever the definition, there's not a thing wrong with eating "clean".
When have I ever said there's anything wrong with eating "clean" or eating any other particular way? I've said cutting out foods or rarely eating particular foods if that's easier for you is a good strategy on this very thread.
I'm pretty sure I do "eat clean" if you look at how most who claim to "eat clean" on MFP actually eat (however, of course I eat lots of processed foods).
I don't self-identify that way because I see no reason to pretend like I cut out processed foods when I don't, I don't think eating the occasional lower nutrient item or even highly processed item is bad for my health and thus see no reason to consider it a cheat, and I consider calling foods others choose to eat but I don't "unclean" to be rude.
However, I think it's kind of funny that one of the self-proclaimed clean eaters here includes McD's as part of her diet. Nothing wrong with McD's if you like it, but kind of makes the label rather meaningless.0 -
Ah. Well, thank you everyone for your in depth responses.
To clear a few things up, as I was not clear enough and did not check up on this thread sooner:
By "clean" eating, I didn't intend to say other foods were bad. Perhaps this is a bad word on MFP, and if there is a better word for "whole foods not found in a can" let me know.
I just meant that I am attempting to be fit by lifting weights and doing cardio, but a lot of my foods are canned chilis, frozen meals, fake sugar treats, etc. I do eat clean when I am out -- veggies, salads, etc., but my schedule does not allot time for cooking often and I am not one to prepare foods for the week.
By CI/CO, I understand that literally that is how you lose weight. I meant the CI/CO "philosophy" -- which many in this thread understood as my meaning -- where you technically could eat twinkles all day and still lose weight.
So my real question, possible better phrased, was: would NOT eat "clean" (see above) affect how I look as far as lean muscle vs thin yet no muscle, etc. I got my answer from some of you -- that it depends on my macros.
Another reason why I ask this is because I have lost weight one time before, and I was doing all cardio and all processed foods. I was low on the scale but did not look great. And that was with the correct TDEE/CI/CO science, based on advice from these boards. I wondered if perhaps my diet had anything to do with my shape.
I also ask this because a lot of the people at my gym are into paleo, and do the same workouts I am doing currently. So I wondered if perhaps that is what I was missing.
Thank you everyone for your experiences and insight. And for those saying, "we have had this thread every five minutes on this board" and "I don't care what people eat" etc ... Why are you on the food and nutrition threads? I apologize for boring you -- I did my best to search for this answer prior to posted with no luck. If you know of a good blog or article that addresses this, please share.0 -
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Ah. Well, thank you everyone for your in depth responses.
To clear a few things up, as I was not clear enough and did not check up on this thread sooner:
By "clean" eating, I didn't intend to say other foods were bad. Perhaps this is a bad word on MFP, and if there is a better word for "whole foods not found in a can" let me know.
I just meant that I am attempting to be fit by lifting weights and doing cardio, but a lot of my foods are canned chilis, frozen meals, fake sugar treats, etc. I do eat clean when I am out -- veggies, salads, etc., but my schedule does not allot time for cooking often and I am not one to prepare foods for the week.
By CI/CO, I understand that literally that is how you lose weight. I meant the CI/CO "philosophy" -- which many in this thread understood as my meaning -- where you technically could eat twinkles all day and still lose weight.
So my real question, possible better phrased, was: would NOT eat "clean" (see above) affect how I look as far as lean muscle vs thin yet no muscle, etc. I got my answer from some of you -- that it depends on my macros.
Another reason why I ask this is because I have lost weight one time before, and I was doing all cardio and all processed foods. I was low on the scale but did not look great. And that was with the correct TDEE/CI/CO science, based on advice from these boards. I wondered if perhaps my diet had anything to do with my shape.
I also ask this because a lot of the people at my gym are into paleo, and do the same workouts I am doing currently. So I wondered if perhaps that is what I was missing.
Thank you everyone for your experiences and insight. And for those saying, "we have had this thread every five minutes on this board" and "I don't care what people eat" etc ... Why are you on the food and nutrition threads? I apologize for boring you -- I did my best to search for this answer prior to posted with no luck. If you know of a good blog or article that addresses this, please share.
In all fairness to you, yes this topic comes up every other day, but they generally end up getting deleted by the mods, so that probably explains why you couldn't find what you were looking for.
I'm glad you got some answers. This is an ongoing debate on here, and you can see that it can get kind of heated.
Don't worry about eating processed foods when you have to - you are doing fine and it sounds like you're incorporating some strenth training into your routine this time around. The issues you had before were likely due to not getting enough protein and doing nothing but cardio.0 -
There is a great thread on here about body recomposition that you may find helpful.0
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I know it's not answering op's original questions but I have lost 65 pounds eating close to 5,000 grams of sodium a day almost minimum, I travel constantly so my dinners are usually chunky soups or frozen dinners which are both crazy high in sodium. I do notice water retention occasionally if I'm not drinking enough water but besides that I consider my diet to be just fine FOR ME.0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
In all fairness to you, yes this topic comes up every other day, but they generally end up getting deleted by the mods, so that probably explains why you couldn't find what you were looking for.
I'm glad you got some answers. This is an ongoing debate on here, and you can see that it can get kind of heated.
Don't worry about eating processed foods when you have to - you are doing fine and it sounds like you're incorporating some strenth training into your routine this time around. The issues you had before were likely due to not getting enough protein and doing nothing but cardio.
It could very well be! This may sound odd or obsessive, but I ate Chik Fil A for both lunch and dinner -- a chargrilled chicken sandwich and a medium fruit cup. Literally. Every day.
When that started hurting my bank account, I switched to frozen meals.
So it could have been a lack of veggies? I'm not sure. I'm unfamiliar with macros and micros, etc. I should probably try harder to understand this, especially since it seems important in body composition.
I have an odd relationship with food in that I don't really care about it. I get chocolate cravings from time to time and enjoy eating ~something cold~ on hot days and ~something salty~ when I watch a movie, but honestly I have zero preference. I consume to be full. Eating a jar of blueberries is just as satisfying to me as eating an ice cream. It just comes down to what I have -- and since I don't have time to shop -- that is usually something processed or frozen.
Odd, I know, but a good thing about this is when I modify my diet (another term I take to mean differently than a lot of MFPers-- diet being literally what you eat, not a fad or weight loss tool) I don't really have an issue. I just shrug and change what I am eating. So long as it is convenient, I could care less. Another reason I /could/ have a "cleaner" diet. I would just have to actively keep my fridge fresher and it would be an inconvenience.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
In all fairness to you, yes this topic comes up every other day, but they generally end up getting deleted by the mods, so that probably explains why you couldn't find what you were looking for.
I'm glad you got some answers. This is an ongoing debate on here, and you can see that it can get kind of heated.
Don't worry about eating processed foods when you have to - you are doing fine and it sounds like you're incorporating some strenth training into your routine this time around. The issues you had before were likely due to not getting enough protein and doing nothing but cardio.
It could very well be! This may sound odd or obsessive, but I ate Chik Fil A for both lunch and dinner -- a chargrilled chicken sandwich and a medium fruit cup. Literally. Every day.
I have an odd relationship with food in that I don't really care about it. I get chocolate cravings from time to time and enjoy eating ~something cold~ on hot days and ~something salty~ when I watch a movie, but honestly I have zero preference. I consume to be full. Eating a jar of blueberries is just as satisfying to me as eating an ice cream. It just comes down to what I have -- and since I don't have time to shop -- that is usually something processed or frozen.
Odd, I know, but a good thing about this is when I modify my diet (another term I take to mean differently than a lot of MFPers-- diet wing literally what you eat, not a fad or weight loss tool) I don't really have an issue. I just shrug and change what I am eating. So long as it is convenient, I could care less. Another reason I /could/ do a cleaner diet. I would just have to actively keep my fridge fresher and it would be an inconvenience.
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Ah. Well, thank you everyone for your in depth responses.
To clear a few things up, as I was not clear enough and did not check up on this thread sooner:
By "clean" eating, I didn't intend to say other foods were bad. Perhaps this is a bad word on MFP, and if there is a better word for "whole foods not found in a can" let me know.
I just meant that I am attempting to be fit by lifting weights and doing cardio, but a lot of my foods are canned chilis, frozen meals, fake sugar treats, etc. I do eat clean when I am out -- veggies, salads, etc., but my schedule does not allot time for cooking often and I am not one to prepare foods for the week.
By CI/CO, I understand that literally that is how you lose weight. I meant the CI/CO "philosophy" -- which many in this thread understood as my meaning -- where you technically could eat twinkles all day and still lose weight.
So my real question, possible better phrased, was: would NOT eat "clean" (see above) affect how I look as far as lean muscle vs thin yet no muscle, etc. I got my answer from some of you -- that it depends on my macros.
Another reason why I ask this is because I have lost weight one time before, and I was doing all cardio and all processed foods. I was low on the scale but did not look great. And that was with the correct TDEE/CI/CO science, based on advice from these boards. I wondered if perhaps my diet had anything to do with my shape.
I also ask this because a lot of the people at my gym are into paleo, and do the same workouts I am doing currently. So I wondered if perhaps that is what I was missing.
Thank you everyone for your experiences and insight. And for those saying, "we have had this thread every five minutes on this board" and "I don't care what people eat" etc ... Why are you on the food and nutrition threads? I apologize for boring you -- I did my best to search for this answer prior to posted with no luck. If you know of a good blog or article that addresses this, please share.
I'd look at the physical activity you're doing to impact your shape if you have your diet and macros dialed in already. People doing a fad diet like Paleo is not what you're missing.0 -
SherryTeach wrote: »Calories in/calories out for weight loss. Nutrient dense food for health. Pay attention to both. Ditch the word "clean."
I agree. If I eat a lot of processed sugary crap I feel like crap, but it doesn't affect my weight unless I go over calories consistently. My weight only seems to be affected by the amount of calories, not the quality of the food - but then again, I'm healthy and not insulin resistant. I think that makes a difference.
My lifestyle is not as much about weight (I'm already at goal as far as that goes) but it's more about looking and feeling good. I eat some "junk" occasionally, but for the most part, I try to eat foods that give me nutrients and energy and make me feel strong and healthy. I guess it all depends on your goals and priorities.
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Ah. Well, thank you everyone for your in depth responses.
To clear a few things up, as I was not clear enough and did not check up on this thread sooner:
By "clean" eating, I didn't intend to say other foods were bad. Perhaps this is a bad word on MFP, and if there is a better word for "whole foods not found in a can" let me know.
I just meant that I am attempting to be fit by lifting weights and doing cardio, but a lot of my foods are canned chilis, frozen meals, fake sugar treats, etc. I do eat clean when I am out -- veggies, salads, etc., but my schedule does not allot time for cooking often and I am not one to prepare foods for the week.
By CI/CO, I understand that literally that is how you lose weight. I meant the CI/CO "philosophy" -- which many in this thread understood as my meaning -- where you technically could eat twinkles all day and still lose weight.
So my real question, possible better phrased, was: would NOT eat "clean" (see above) affect how I look as far as lean muscle vs thin yet no muscle, etc. I got my answer from some of you -- that it depends on my macros.
Another reason why I ask this is because I have lost weight one time before, and I was doing all cardio and all processed foods. I was low on the scale but did not look great. And that was with the correct TDEE/CI/CO science, based on advice from these boards. I wondered if perhaps my diet had anything to do with my shape.
I also ask this because a lot of the people at my gym are into paleo, and do the same workouts I am doing currently. So I wondered if perhaps that is what I was missing.
Thank you everyone for your experiences and insight. And for those saying, "we have had this thread every five minutes on this board" and "I don't care what people eat" etc ... Why are you on the food and nutrition threads? I apologize for boring you -- I did my best to search for this answer prior to posted with no luck. If you know of a good blog or article that addresses this, please share.
I think the issue you had before was more related to doing all cardio, not your diet. Had you included some strength/resistance training, you would have retained more muscle mass and would have probably been happier with your body composition. This image is a good example:
That's not to say you shouldn't change your diet if that's what you want to do, I just don't think it was the cause of your concerns. If time is an issue, look into things like frozen veggies, that's only a few minutes in the microwave for those. I also do batch cooking, it really isn't that bad as far as time. Throw some chicken breasts in the crock pot or in the oven, and you can make all different meals from them.0 -
Ah. Well, thank you everyone for your in depth responses.
To clear a few things up, as I was not clear enough and did not check up on this thread sooner:
By "clean" eating, I didn't intend to say other foods were bad. Perhaps this is a bad word on MFP, and if there is a better word for "whole foods not found in a can" let me know.
I just meant that I am attempting to be fit by lifting weights and doing cardio, but a lot of my foods are canned chilis, frozen meals, fake sugar treats, etc. I do eat clean when I am out -- veggies, salads, etc., but my schedule does not allot time for cooking often and I am not one to prepare foods for the week.
By CI/CO, I understand that literally that is how you lose weight. I meant the CI/CO "philosophy" -- which many in this thread understood as my meaning -- where you technically could eat twinkles all day and still lose weight.
So my real question, possible better phrased, was: would NOT eat "clean" (see above) affect how I look as far as lean muscle vs thin yet no muscle, etc. I got my answer from some of you -- that it depends on my macros.
Another reason why I ask this is because I have lost weight one time before, and I was doing all cardio and all processed foods. I was low on the scale but did not look great. And that was with the correct TDEE/CI/CO science, based on advice from these boards. I wondered if perhaps my diet had anything to do with my shape.
I also ask this because a lot of the people at my gym are into paleo, and do the same workouts I am doing currently. So I wondered if perhaps that is what I was missing.
Thank you everyone for your experiences and insight. And for those saying, "we have had this thread every five minutes on this board" and "I don't care what people eat" etc ... Why are you on the food and nutrition threads? I apologize for boring you -- I did my best to search for this answer prior to posted with no luck. If you know of a good blog or article that addresses this, please share.
I think the issue you had before was more related to doing all cardio, not your diet. Had you included some strength/resistance training, you would have retained more muscle mass and would have probably been happier with your body composition. This image is a good example:
That's not to say you shouldn't change your diet if that's what you want to do, I just don't think it was the cause of your concerns. If time is an issue, look into things like frozen veggies, that's only a few minutes in the microwave for those. I also do batch cooking, it really isn't that bad as far as time. Throw some chicken breasts in the crock pot or in the oven, and you can make all different meals from them.
This is very helpful and insightful. Those pictures are astonishing and exactly what I was wondering. Thank you very much!
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Those pictures came up in other conversations. Turns out there was a *huge* amount of time between when they were taken. That doesn't make them bad, just wouldn't want people to get implausible expectations from them. :drinker:0
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