I get bulky from weights...
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I know what you mean. (I personally won't buy into the whole CrossFit craze.) I've seen how the girls I know transform when lifting heavy. It's nothing I would think is attractive. People have different taste and I just don't like how bulky the girls become, so I won't do it.....and nobody can change my mind on the whole "girls don't get bulky" because they do. I prefer body weight exercises.0
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But how can you say it's the food? No change in diet, just what exercises you're doing.0
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A hypothetical: OP (or anyone) got the effect she liked doing calisthenics because, say:
- her appetite decreased from doing, essentially, cardio/interval type training. that happens sometimes, there is some research to support it. -->maybe she did eat less.
- say, she worked hard enough at it to elevate catecholamines enough to for something fat-burning wise to happen (extra cals gone). there is research to support this (trapp & boutcher et al 2007 i think)
- say, there was enough resistance exercise in there to retain enough muscle mass to avoid 'skinny fat'/marshmallow effect
- say, enough fat was over the muscle to make for a 'slim' rather than 'defined' look
(above is the rationale for workouts like zuzana light's, which yields bodies that fit many women's ideals)
not everyone wants to read trapp & boutcher et al 2007, they just know they like how they look, who cares?0 -
But how can you say it's the food? No change in diet, just what exercises you're doing.
Read the link above.
Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.0 -
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Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.
That's different than the bulky argument.
How is that not bulky? I'm not talking about fat and I don't think the OP was either. What I just mentioned IS bulky.0 -
Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.
That's different than the bulky argument.
but that is what these women have been saying all along0 -
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Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.
That's different than the bulky argument.
but that is what these women have been saying all along
No it's not. They have been saying that lifting makes them bulking. And, it doesn't.
you're right, it doesn't.
the problem is in how people define 'bulky'. i think when people say 'bulky', it means 'evident traps & lats, & more defined quads' (vs say the stuff in the back)0 -
Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.
That's different than the bulky argument.
but that is what these women have been saying all along
No it's not. They have been saying that lifting makes them bulky. And, it doesn't.
Now, this is starting to switch into aesthetic preferences, which is a completely different discussion. And, this turn of events is always very predictable in these discussions because this is what always happens and it ends with, "well, I just don't like it".
The begging premise was that she started Crossfit, stopped tracking calories and got bulky. Which, if you know Crossfit, is ridiculous. Crossfit is as much cardio as lifting, maybe more cardio than lifting.
yes, exactly, there are 2 conversations happening here0 -
she said she liked her body when she did calisthenic/bodyweight type workouts*, and didn't like it after cross fit + maybe eating over maintenance, maybe not.
**which, might well be like the kind of conditioning people do for martial arts, and god, those are ugly, unfit bodies, aren't they
similar supplementary exercises done by people who are into yoga and there are some really ugly, unfit people there as well! :laugh:0 -
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I live at my gym. There are some VERY muscular crossfit girls and good for them! I prefer to keep my curves, just make them smaller and keep them where they are supposed to be. Lifting also made me hungrier, whereas mixing it up with running, biking, zumba, and interval with lighter weights and kickboxing doesn't. The bulky thing is funny to me because all you have to do is look at body types, and athletic predispositions and different athletes to SEE that different exercises affect your shape differently and affect your appetite as well, and can affect the rate of weight loss. I guess the guys I lifted with in the sweat pit gym I was working out at before that lifted 500 plus pounds and were HUGE weren't bulking up from the heavy weight lifting they did, only from extra calories??? AND if you think women can't do that, you need to meet some of the fabulous women at my gym. I wanted to look less bulky, so I started to run because guess what??There are no bulky runners (that I know of - unless they are short distance runners and also working with heavy weights) and running is an activity I can do that appetite wise (for me) helps me stay on track so I can finish losing my weight without starving myself. There must be some kind of science behind THAT, but really the bottom line is that everyone IS different, even when taking basic scientific knowledge into account, when you look at it as a whole, we haven't even come close to unraveling the secret of the wonderful human body. People are complicated, and people on this site can be condescending, which does come off as mean.0
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Sorry, the link does nothing for me. One girl's five month progress doesn't change what I've seen in people that do it for years. The girls I've seen get that weird neck muscle, the trap muscle or whatever it is....and the muscle around the back of the ribcage, lat muscle? (Sorry I'm not good with anatomy) Either way, I don't like the way it looks.
That's different than the bulky argument.
but that is what these women have been saying all along
No it's not. They have been saying that lifting makes them bulky. And, it doesn't.
Now, this is starting to switch into aesthetic preferences, which is a completely different discussion. And, this turn of events is always very predictable in these discussions because this is what always happens and it ends with, "well, I just don't like it".
The begging premise was that she started Crossfit, stopped tracking calories and got bulky. Which, if you know Crossfit, is ridiculous. Crossfit is as much cardio as lifting, maybe more cardio than lifting.
yes, exactly, there are 2 conversations happening here
Well, that confuses me.
conversation 1:
- "crossfit made me bulky"
- "not possible, it's food that does that" (science etc)
conversation 2:
- "i don't want to look bulky [have 'big' traps]"
- "you must be wrong about that"
^'bulky' definition obstacle0 -
Well, I don't lift much weight other than my body. Yoga and such. I look great. My goal is different than others, I like being strong but lean, sexy in my opinion. Call it shallow if you want, I like looking fantastic. Feminine? yes. Strong? yes. Looks good in clothing and naked? yes.0
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Well, I don't lift much weight other than my body. Yoga and such. I look great. My goal is different than others, I like being strong but lean, sexy in my opinion. Call it shallow if you want, I like looking fantastic. Feminine? yes. Strong? yes. Looks good in clothing and naked? yes.
You mean there's a way to increase strength and look good naked without the discomfort and boredom of lifting weights?
My goodness!
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Rather than guessing, ask them sometime. Ask them what their diet is like and/or how many calories they're eating while they're trying to put on that hard-earned muscle. I'll guarantee you none of them did it while in a caloric deficit, unless there are/were anabolic steroids involved. So the answer is, they got STRONG from lifting - they got HUGE from taking in more calories than they were expending. Again, science....I guess the guys I lifted with in the sweat pit gym I was working out at before that lifted 500 plus pounds and were HUGE weren't bulking up from the heavy weight lifting they did, only from extra calories??? AND if you think women can't do that, you need to meet some of the fabulous women at my gym...
Everyone is NOT different in that nobody can defy the laws of thermodynamics, any more than one can defy the laws of gravity....There must be some kind of science behind THAT, but really the bottom line is that everyone IS different, even when taking basic scientific knowledge into account, when you look at it as a whole, we haven't even come close to unraveling the secret of the wonderful human body....
"You are not different": http://www.clutchfitness.com/forums/view.php?pg=not-different0 -
Well, I don't lift much weight other than my body. Yoga and such. I look great. My goal is different than others, I like being strong but lean, sexy in my opinion. Call it shallow if you want, I like looking fantastic. Feminine? yes. Strong? yes. Looks good in clothing and naked? yes.
You mean there's a way to increase strength and look good naked without the discomfort and boredom of lifting weights?
My goodness!
Funny, I seem to remember a topic you started a while back about wanting to start weighted squats as you were not getting what you wanted from bodyweight exercises.
Not saying you cannot without lifting weights, I just find this comment ironic.0 -
That is curious OP: You describe yourself as "short and curvy" usually building muscle with such genetics leads to something like this:
does this look like a bad "bulky" to you?
there are women who have a more masculine bone structure that tends to get exaggerated with more muscle mass. for reference:
(both of these women have been training for years btw and don't seem to be on anabolic steroids so its not possible to look either way by accident.)
so are you sure it was muscle you gained?
bumping because these pictures are amazing... i hope i get to be that "bulky"0 -
Yoga does fine for me.
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But how can you say it's the food? No change in diet, just what exercises you're doing.
it's the food.0 -
Yoga does fine for me.
And here we are again.
Doing yoga will not make you look like Tara Stiles.
Running marathons will not make you look like people who win marathons.
Sprinting will not make you look like an elite sprinter.
Unless, that is, that kind of physique is already in your genes.0 -
Well, I don't lift much weight other than my body. Yoga and such. I look great. My goal is different than others, I like being strong but lean, sexy in my opinion. Call it shallow if you want, I like looking fantastic. Feminine? yes. Strong? yes. Looks good in clothing and naked? yes.
You mean there's a way to increase strength and look good naked without the discomfort and boredom of lifting weights?
My goodness!Sara, you are correct. I look great now but i like the extra perk my butt gets when I squat
Funny, I seem to remember a topic you started a while back about wanting to start weighted squats as you were not getting what you wanted from bodyweight exercises.
Not saying you cannot without lifting weights, I just find this comment ironic.0 -
You find it ironic? I like lean long legs, don't wan't short squat ones. My preference. Please don't start arguing with me now.0
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Yoga does fine for me.
I'm confused? Those look like 3 different women....which one is you?0 -
FYI pilates does not lengthen muscles.So for now, I'm doing less work with ab machines than the others and focusing more pilates attention on that region to help lengthen those muscles.
What does then?
EDIT: Oh geez please never mind. I read some of the later responses and didn't realizing we were playing the semantics game.0
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