Favorite Clean Eating Recipes
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WinoGelato wrote: »I always assume that questions like the OP posed, looking for clean eating recipes, are inspired by the fact that they themselves don't have a clear understanding of what the term means and are therefore hoping for a book filled with explanations and acceptable foods to eat. Because I feel like if you follow "clean eating" and are confident in your definitions of what is clean and what isn't, then you could just take any recipe available online or in any cookbook, and make it "clean".
The fact that people are asking for special recipes tells me that they do not have a clear set of rules in their head.
I think you just nailed it!0 -
This has become one of my favorite go-to recipes; I make a bunch at once and then eat them throughout the week:
http://sallysbakingaddiction.com/2014/04/09/crispy-quinoa-patties/
This is another one of my favorites, super easy to make: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2014/04/easy-crock-pot-chicken-and-black-bean.html
Skinnytaste is generally pretty good for gathering recipe ideas.
Here are some other sites I like:
http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
http://www.tablefortwoblog.com/
http://damndelicious.net/0 -
christinev297 wrote: »StephanieOugh2014 wrote: »Boy people get real mad about that term. In my opinion it means meals created from whole foods rather than processed items that might contain items like corn syrup or other delicious but unhealthy if consumed a lot items. Marshmallow fluff would be not clean eating but an apple would.
Everyone knows what clean eating means. Some just hate the term and like to argue the point
I really don't. I had pasta at lunch with a sauce that I made myself with ground turkey, onions, and tomato sauce jar (no corn syrup). Is that 'clean'?0 -
StephanieOugh2014 wrote: »Boy people get real mad about that term. In my opinion it means meals created from whole foods rather than processed items that might contain items like corn syrup or other delicious but unhealthy if consumed a lot items. Marshmallow fluff would be not clean eating but an apple would.
wait, if you have a recipe you have to process it, right????0 -
OP - if you can give me a definition of the variant of clean eating you are following, I may be able to locate a recipe ….0
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This has become one of my favorite go-to recipes; I make a bunch at once and then eat them throughout the week:
http://sallysbakingaddiction.com/2014/04/09/crispy-quinoa-patties/
This is another one of my favorites, super easy to make: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2014/04/easy-crock-pot-chicken-and-black-bean.html
Skinnytaste is generally pretty good for gathering recipe ideas.
Here are some other sites I like:
http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
http://www.tablefortwoblog.com/
http://damndelicious.net/
that recipe calls for canned black beans, so it would not qualify as clean (I think) because canned = processed = bad0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
no but its all organic and natural so its fine dw
best way is to put the frog into a pan of cold water and then heat slowly. its finenot srs0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I always assume that questions like the OP posed, looking for clean eating recipes, are inspired by the fact that they themselves don't have a clear understanding of what the term means and are therefore hoping for a book filled with explanations and acceptable foods to eat. Because I feel like if you follow "clean eating" and are confident in your definitions of what is clean and what isn't, then you could just take any recipe available online or in any cookbook, and make it "clean".
The fact that people are asking for special recipes tells me that they do not have a clear set of rules in their head.
While I might agree I also understand that some people are not confident in their cooking to alter recipes to fit what they need. I rarely follow a recipe...substituting ingredients with things that I already have on hand. If however I am working with a cuisine or even an ingredient that I am not accustomed to I need to follow a recipe step by step.
In the past I have experimented with going vegetarian and also vegan. I had no clue as to how to change out ingredients even though I have cooked all of my life. I needed those step by step instructions. Since I was new to that type of cooking...I had no idea what all the rules were and certainly didn't know what products that I could substitute with.
Maybe that is where the OP is in changing her way of eating. Maybe she wants to eat more fresh foods and has no idea where to start.
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This has become one of my favorite go-to recipes; I make a bunch at once and then eat them throughout the week:
http://sallysbakingaddiction.com/2014/04/09/crispy-quinoa-patties/
This is another one of my favorites, super easy to make: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2014/04/easy-crock-pot-chicken-and-black-bean.html
Skinnytaste is generally pretty good for gathering recipe ideas.
Here are some other sites I like:
http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
http://www.tablefortwoblog.com/
http://damndelicious.net/
that recipe calls for canned black beans, so it would not qualify as clean (I think) because canned = processed = bad
I see your point, but there are different levels of processing food. Frozen vegetables or canned beans (assuming they're not filled with a ton of salt/oil/sauce/etc) are different from say, an order of fries from mcdonalds.
I know "clean eating" is a term of contention, but for me, that level of processing doesn't outweigh the nutritional benefits of those black beans, for example. idk if it's the same for the OP, though.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
no but its all organic and natural so its fine dw
best way is to put the frog into a pan of cold water and then heat slowly. its finenot srs
Did you just call me a dimwit?
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
no but its all organic and natural so its fine dw
best way is to put the frog into a pan of cold water and then heat slowly. its finenot srs
Did you just call me a dimwit?
dw means don't worry XD0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I always assume that questions like the OP posed, looking for clean eating recipes, are inspired by the fact that they themselves don't have a clear understanding of what the term means and are therefore hoping for a book filled with explanations and acceptable foods to eat. Because I feel like if you follow "clean eating" and are confident in your definitions of what is clean and what isn't, then you could just take any recipe available online or in any cookbook, and make it "clean".
The fact that people are asking for special recipes tells me that they do not have a clear set of rules in their head.
While I might agree I also understand that some people are not confident in their cooking to alter recipes to fit what they need. I rarely follow a recipe...substituting ingredients with things that I already have on hand. If however I am working with a cuisine or even an ingredient that I am not accustomed to I need to follow a recipe step by step.
In the past I have experimented with going vegetarian and also vegan. I had no clue as to how to change out ingredients even though I have cooked all of my life. I needed those step by step instructions. Since I was new to that type of cooking...I had no idea what all the rules were and certainly didn't know what products that I could substitute with.
Maybe that is where the OP is in changing her way of eating. Maybe she wants to eat more fresh foods and has no idea where to start.
I think this is right.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
no but its all organic and natural so its fine dw
best way is to put the frog into a pan of cold water and then heat slowly. its finenot srs
Did you just call me a dimwit?
dw means don't worry XD
I feel better now!
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I have a really good clean eating recipe.
It's straight from nature, no GMO's or chemikillz or toxins which would make you have to detox.
It's got lean protein, enzymes and what not.
Really clean
10/10
would eat again
srs
not srs
LOL I don't eat things that can jump out of the skillet when you are frying them! They end up on the floor and then...they are not so clean.
no but its all organic and natural so its fine dw
best way is to put the frog into a pan of cold water and then heat slowly. its finenot srs
Did you just call me a dimwit?
dw means don't worry XD
I feel better now!
You will feel better after eating this frog. It's 100% CLEAN , no chemikillz in this bad boy.0 -
This has become one of my favorite go-to recipes; I make a bunch at once and then eat them throughout the week:
http://sallysbakingaddiction.com/2014/04/09/crispy-quinoa-patties/
This is another one of my favorites, super easy to make: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2014/04/easy-crock-pot-chicken-and-black-bean.html
Skinnytaste is generally pretty good for gathering recipe ideas.
Here are some other sites I like:
http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
http://www.tablefortwoblog.com/
http://damndelicious.net/
that recipe calls for canned black beans, so it would not qualify as clean (I think) because canned = processed = bad
I see your point, but there are different levels of processing food. Frozen vegetables or canned beans (assuming they're not filled with a ton of salt/oil/sauce/etc) are different from say, an order of fries from mcdonalds.
I know "clean eating" is a term of contention, but for me, that level of processing doesn't outweigh the nutritional benefits of those black beans, for example. idk if it's the same for the OP, though.
But the fact that there are different levels of processing, yet everyone wants to use one term "clean" and assume that that term is clearly understood what is ok vs not ok is what I think we go round and round with. There are at least 30 definitions of what "clean eating" means floating around MFP and well documented by @diannethegeek that it really is hard to presume that everyone knows what it means and what recipes would be acceptable to the OP.
She used the example of Marshmallow Fluff is bad but a whole Apple is good, which has to be one of the more confusing explanations ever as I can't think of very many recipes that use Marshmallow Fluff (other than some fudge recipes maybe?) but definitely none that an apple would be an acceptable substitute ingredient...
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The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.0 -
The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.
it is impossible to give a recipe unless we know what OP is defining clean as ….0 -
The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.
it is impossible to give a recipe unless we know what OP is defining clean as ….
I think what I would do in that case if I really wanted to leave a recipe is to post one that I might think is "clean" and let the OP decide if it fits her definition of clean. If not...she can pass it on by.
I understand why some are offend by the extremists of the "clean eaters" food group. Every group has them. I don't know...I find it strange that anyone would somehow think that what food that they ate somehow made them a bit more superior to someone else.
Having said that...I find myself eating less and less processed food, fast food or eating out period. It has nothing to do however with eating clean or any other way. Giving up some of that has been the only way that I have been able to keep my nutrient levels where they need to be. I had 2 small slices of pizza last night and more than doubled my sodium intake.
Now if I had to apply the "clean" eating to myself it would be that I ate all of the foods that helped me not only stay at my calorie level but also that kept me at my nutrient levels. Obviously I had a "dirty" day yesterday with that pizza. Today I am on track for having a "clean" day even though it includes a couple of processed foods that help me meet my iron, potassium and calcium levels.
tl:dr
No offence taken...I probably wouldn't have read all of that either.
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The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.
It is equally as tiring for those that question it. I'm not going to reiterate everything that has already been said, but the definition can vary so widely it is inevitable that the discussion will go in this direction.
FWIW- as someone who no longer eats meat, I actually don't mind when people ask me why. It is a personal choice, and one that I am comfortable with. It is also one I don't shove down other peoples throats, or even bring up normally. but if someone is curious, I have no problem discussing it.0 -
OP, I don't know or particularly care how you define clean eating, but I find The Joy of Cooking (I have the 1997 edition, no idea what later editions look like) to be a pretty good resource if you are looking to get away from prepackaged or boxed foods.
The recipes are pretty easy and you can determine your own comfort level with the ingredients you use in terms of how close you want to get to the original whole food, like purchasing shredded cheese or shredding your own, making your own breadcrumbs, making your own sauces, etc.
I think it's a pretty good place to start if you're looking to do more from-scratch cooking, and it helps you figure out which foods you prefer making from scratch and which ones you're comfortable using a shortcut.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »StephanieOugh2014 wrote: »Boy people get real mad about that term. In my opinion it means meals created from whole foods rather than processed items that might contain items like corn syrup or other delicious but unhealthy if consumed a lot items. Marshmallow fluff would be not clean eating but an apple would.
Darn, I guess I have to burn my "101 Things To Do With Marshmallow Fluff" cook book then.
Seriously, other than maybe a cookbook designed for convenience, like a Sandra Lee Semi Homemade (which i would never buy because I find her annoying but I actually do think the concept is nice for busy people who don't have a lot of time to cook), aren't most cook books focused on primarily whole food ingredients? @lemurcat12 listed some great ones but even more mainstream books like Southern Livings Annual Recipe Collection or Better Homes and Gardens have recipes that I think would fit whatever definition of clean you have. And if you come across one that isn't as "clean" as you like then often there will be substitutions or just find a different one.
Agree!! Most of my cookbooks use whole food ingredients.
Sometimes I think people like to start trouble.0 -
OP: There are tons of cookbooks in your library. 0
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WinoGelato wrote: »StephanieOugh2014 wrote: »Boy people get real mad about that term. In my opinion it means meals created from whole foods rather than processed items that might contain items like corn syrup or other delicious but unhealthy if consumed a lot items. Marshmallow fluff would be not clean eating but an apple would.
Darn, I guess I have to burn my "101 Things To Do With Marshmallow Fluff" cook book then.
Seriously, other than maybe a cookbook designed for convenience, like a Sandra Lee Semi Homemade (which i would never buy because I find her annoying but I actually do think the concept is nice for busy people who don't have a lot of time to cook), aren't most cook books focused on primarily whole food ingredients? @lemurcat12 listed some great ones but even more mainstream books like Southern Livings Annual Recipe Collection or Better Homes and Gardens have recipes that I think would fit whatever definition of clean you have. And if you come across one that isn't as "clean" as you like then often there will be substitutions or just find a different one.
Agree!! Most of my cookbooks use whole food ingredients.
Sometimes I think people like to start trouble.
On here? No....
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LOL...yeah.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »StephanieOugh2014 wrote: »Boy people get real mad about that term. In my opinion it means meals created from whole foods rather than processed items that might contain items like corn syrup or other delicious but unhealthy if consumed a lot items. Marshmallow fluff would be not clean eating but an apple would.
Darn, I guess I have to burn my "101 Things To Do With Marshmallow Fluff" cook book then.
Seriously, other than maybe a cookbook designed for convenience, like a Sandra Lee Semi Homemade (which i would never buy because I find her annoying but I actually do think the concept is nice for busy people who don't have a lot of time to cook), aren't most cook books focused on primarily whole food ingredients? @lemurcat12 listed some great ones but even more mainstream books like Southern Livings Annual Recipe Collection or Better Homes and Gardens have recipes that I think would fit whatever definition of clean you have. And if you come across one that isn't as "clean" as you like then often there will be substitutions or just find a different one.
Agree!! Most of my cookbooks use whole food ingredients.
Sometimes I think people like to start trouble.
On here? No....
If i was asking for recipes, I wouldn't say "clean" recipes.
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Maybe that is where the OP is in changing her way of eating. Maybe she wants to eat more fresh foods and has no idea where to start.
All of the sites I referenced in my initial post would help someone who wanted to use more fresh ingredients and had no idea where to start (although I find it hard to believe anyone doesn't know that a basic cookbook would help with this, which is why I find the question puzzling).
I ALSO asked what she meant by clean and referenced the existence of paleo sites, since -- again -- that almost any cookbook involves cooking from whole foods and most savory recipes don't involve added sugar (the most common thing people wish to avoid), it seemed quite likely she had some other idea in her head (like no salt or no flour or lean meats only or no meat, etc.).
When people suggest another term would be more helpful than "clean" it is in large part so we don't have to guess at what was meant.0 -
This has become one of my favorite go-to recipes; I make a bunch at once and then eat them throughout the week:
http://sallysbakingaddiction.com/2014/04/09/crispy-quinoa-patties/
This is another one of my favorites, super easy to make: http://www.skinnytaste.com/2014/04/easy-crock-pot-chicken-and-black-bean.html
Skinnytaste is generally pretty good for gathering recipe ideas.
Here are some other sites I like:
http://www.eat-yourself-skinny.com/
http://www.tablefortwoblog.com/
http://damndelicious.net/
that recipe calls for canned black beans, so it would not qualify as clean (I think) because canned = processed = bad
I see your point, but there are different levels of processing food. Frozen vegetables or canned beans (assuming they're not filled with a ton of salt/oil/sauce/etc) are different from say, an order of fries from mcdonalds.
I know "clean eating" is a term of contention, but for me, that level of processing doesn't outweigh the nutritional benefits of those black beans, for example. idk if it's the same for the OP, though.
I've seen lots of "clean eaters" here say canned is out.
Also, obviously no recipe is going to involve McD's fries--we are talking about how "clean" recipes supposedly differ from other recipes (such as those at the many sites I recommended, ironically most of which don't involve canned products despite not being branded "clean").0 -
The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.
it is impossible to give a recipe unless we know what OP is defining clean as ….
I think what I would do in that case if I really wanted to leave a recipe is to post one that I might think is "clean" and let the OP decide if it fits her definition of clean. If not...she can pass it on by.
Isn't this basically what I did? I also asked (so I could refine the suggestions) WHAT she meant by clean.
I've yet to hear from anyone (including the self-proclaimed "clean" eaters, who probably don't eat much different from me, why the sites I referenced, or the books I mentioned for that matter, would not be useful for the OP).
Instead, people are getting all offended because we dared to point out that "clean" does not have a consistent meaning and, in fact, there is no such thing as "clean" recipes as most normal recipes are based on whole foods, etc. You'd have to know nothing about cooking to think you needed special recipes OR--as seems more likely--have no really understanding of what "clean eating" is supposed to be (which is certainly understandable, as there are 30 different definitions) OR be following some more restrictive one, like no beans, no flour, no sugar, no nightshades, etc.Having said that...I find myself eating less and less processed food, fast food or eating out period. It has nothing to do however with eating clean or any other way. Giving up some of that has been the only way that I have been able to keep my nutrient levels where they need to be. I had 2 small slices of pizza last night and more than doubled my sodium intake.
Who has suggested this is a bad thing? I just want to know why the suggestions I made are unhelpful. If you ask someone for recipes it is useful to give information as to the kinds of recipes you want. "Low sodium" or "with lean meat" or "vegetarian" are all helpful descriptions. "Clean" is not, and again IF it means not from highly processed foods (like McD's) I'm REALLY confused what people think are in normal cooking sites and cookbooks.
I note that OP has not weighed in at all, even to say thanks for all the suggestions.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »The people who choose to clean eat know generally what it means and how they can help others.
May I suggest if it bothers anyone so much that they just say nothing? There are plenty of people who want to give recipes for example and can do so without the rigmarole of arguing about a definition.
Nobody has to reply to a post. Just be aware that everytime this comes up it is tiring and tedious, not unlike a vegetarian who is always asked "So why are you vegetarian?"
Live and let be.
it is impossible to give a recipe unless we know what OP is defining clean as ….
I think what I would do in that case if I really wanted to leave a recipe is to post one that I might think is "clean" and let the OP decide if it fits her definition of clean. If not...she can pass it on by.
Isn't this basically what I did? I also asked (so I could refine the suggestions) WHAT she meant by clean.
I've yet to hear from anyone (including the self-proclaimed "clean" eaters, who probably don't eat much different from me, why the sites I referenced, or the books I mentioned for that matter, would not be useful for the OP).
Instead, people are getting all offended because we dared to point out that "clean" does not have a consistent meaning and, in fact, there is no such thing as "clean" recipes as most normal recipes are based on whole foods, etc. You'd have to know nothing about cooking to think you needed special recipes OR--as seems more likely--have no really understanding of what "clean eating" is supposed to be (which is certainly understandable, as there are 30 different definitions) OR be following some more restrictive one, like no beans, no flour, no sugar, no nightshades, etc.Having said that...I find myself eating less and less processed food, fast food or eating out period. It has nothing to do however with eating clean or any other way. Giving up some of that has been the only way that I have been able to keep my nutrient levels where they need to be. I had 2 small slices of pizza last night and more than doubled my sodium intake.
Who has suggested this is a bad thing? I just want to know why the suggestions I made are unhelpful. If you ask someone for recipes it is useful to give information as to the kinds of recipes you want. "Low sodium" or "with lean meat" or "vegetarian" are all helpful descriptions. "Clean" is not, and again IF it means not from highly processed foods (like McD's) I'm REALLY confused what people think are in normal cooking sites and cookbooks.
I note that OP has not weighed in at all, even to say thanks for all the suggestions.
She did, remember? Less Marshmallow Fluff, more apples. I've been scouring my cookbooks looking for a single one that has fluff recipes, that would also be good with apples substituted. Striking out so far. I did find several hundred recipes that use fruits and vegetables, lean meats, grains, etc. But they didn't have clean in the title so I disregarded them.
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Are you a cookbook *kitten*? I am so a cookbook *kitten*. I learned to cook from Julia Child's "The Way To Cook" and the Frugal Gourmet books. Don't have Greene on Greens but do have Beard on Bread. I have the Hazan book, of course, but gave my Bittman to the library.lemurcat12 wrote: »What's a clean eating recipe?
Two sites I really like for recipes are: http://www.101cookbooks.com/ and http://www.epicurious.com/
Another fun one is http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes (you don't have to drink wine with them if you don't want).
I think http://www.chow.com/recipes is another good site for recipes, as is http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes.
Anyway, whatever you think "clean" is, you should be able to find many recipes that qualify from those sites.
There are bunches of good paleo sites too, which would probably also be "clean," however you define "clean."
This is actually a pet peeve of mine, since I have tons of cookbooks and I'm really not sure what would be "unclean" about them--stuff like 660 Curries or Roasting or VegetableLove or Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking or Julia Child's books or Mark Bittman's or Greene on Greens or about a million seasonal or ethnic-themed books. It seems like any good normal cookbook would be primarily "clean" so as usual the term is mostly just confusing and unhelpful.
I cannot stop myself and the librarian said they're going to name the cookbook section after me since I donated most of the books they have in there, lol.
Even when I say I'm not - absolutely NOT - going to get some trendy cookbook, like "Oh, She Glows" the chances are better than not that I'll end up getting it. I signed up for prime on amazon just to save myself the shipping on cookbooks. I buy them used on eBay.
I sit and read cookbooks just for the hell of it.
It's a sickness, I'm telling you!
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