SUGAR what's your view
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »That's a lot of discussion while I sleep. My view is this excess sugar more than we need is bad. And you can get sugar from carbs but, we need to think how sugar effects our body. A banana after a work out is a great energy source low calories. Eating a snicker, not the best idea.
Remember the body has to be balanced think of the liver, your gut etc. If you eat healthy with lots of different nutrients you are healthier over all. If a person ate the majority of their diet from sugar they would not be as healthy as they appear.
My issue is added sugar such as in tea, eating sweets, cakes or chocolate is foods we don't need to eat. The body processes all foods differently. Such as protein filling you up more, we know sugar is for energy, but without it being from fruit etc, it comes with no nutritional value. It's used as a cheap way to bulk food and make it taste better. Personally I don't used artificial sweeteners as it is a chemical I don't know the effect it will have.
If foods can raise the metabolism surely some can sloe it down.
As the OP - I would highly recommend you read up a bit more on 'sugar'. Your understanding of it is incorrect.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
Let's stay with your logic for a minute....
Scenario A: balanced diet (meets micros for the day) is in excess of TDEE by 150 calories because they ate an apple at the end of the day.
Scenario B: balanced diet (meets micros for the day) is in excess of TDEE by 150 because they had one more chocolate chip cookie than they had planned because it "triggered" a response.
How will each person be affected in relation to weight gain?0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
Let's stay with your logic for a minute....
Scenario A: balanced diet (meets micros for the day) is in excess of TDEE by 150 calories because they ate an apple at the end of the day.
Scenario B: balanced diet (meets micros for the day) is in excess of TDEE by 150 because they had one more chocolate chip cookie than they had planned because it "triggered" a response.
How will each person be affected in relation to weight gain?
They will be affected the same way obviously from a weight perspective (presuming it stops there - so one apple rather than multiple apples thereafter, or one cookie rather than multiple cookies thereafter.)
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bobby19666 wrote: »That's a lot of discussion while I sleep. My view is this excess sugar more than we need is bad. And you can get sugar from carbs but, we need to think how sugar effects our body. A banana after a work out is a great energy source low calories. Eating a snicker, not the best idea.
Remember the body has to be balanced think of the liver, your gut etc. If you eat healthy with lots of different nutrients you are healthier over all. If a person ate the majority of their diet from sugar they would not be as healthy as they appear.
My issue is added sugar such as in tea, eating sweets, cakes or chocolate is foods we don't need to eat. The body processes all foods differently. Such as protein filling you up more, we know sugar is for energy, but without it being from fruit etc, it comes with no nutritional value. It's used as a cheap way to bulk food and make it taste better. Personally I don't used artificial sweeteners as it is a chemical I don't know the effect it will have.
If foods can raise the metabolism surely some can sloe it down.
Sounds like the bolded statement is a perfect explanation of everything you've posted.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »That's a lot of discussion while I sleep. My view is this excess sugar more than we need is bad. And you can get sugar from carbs but, we need to think how sugar effects our body. A banana after a work out is a great energy source low calories. Eating a snicker, not the best idea.
Remember the body has to be balanced think of the liver, your gut etc. If you eat healthy with lots of different nutrients you are healthier over all. If a person ate the majority of their diet from sugar they would not be as healthy as they appear.
My issue is added sugar such as in tea, eating sweets, cakes or chocolate is foods we don't need to eat. The body processes all foods differently. Such as protein filling you up more, we know sugar is for energy, but without it being from fruit etc, it comes with no nutritional value. It's used as a cheap way to bulk food and make it taste better. Personally I don't used artificial sweeteners as it is a chemical I don't know the effect it will have.
If foods can raise the metabolism surely some can sloe it down.
food, has nothing to do with metabolism, so your premise is wrong.
and why would a banana be better than a snickers post workout???
the sugar in the banana = the sugar in the snickers...0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
The reason it is a separate issue is because when you make "sugar" the culprit, you are essentially saying "you will get fat" if you eat sugar. That simply isn't the case. That is the most generic argument obviously, but if you just think about it logically, IF sugar is the culprit of obesity, why isn't everyone who eats sugar fat? How is that people can go from obese to lean while eating a bunch of sugar?
Is sugar and highly palatable foods easy to get? Absolutely. Are they cheap? Yep, I can go into a convenience store and spend 10 bucks and probably get 5000 cals worth of food that I could eat in about 20 minutes, but that doesn't make sugar the culprit, that makes sugar the scapegoat.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
The reason it is a separate issue is because when you make "sugar" the culprit, you are essentially saying "you will get fat" if you eat sugar. That simply isn't the case. That is the most generic argument obviously, but if you just think about it logically, IF sugar is the culprit of obesity, why isn't everyone who eats sugar fat? How is that people can go from obese to lean while eating a bunch of sugar?
Is sugar and highly palatable foods easy to get? Absolutely. Are they cheap? Yep, I can go into a convenience store and spend 10 bucks and probably get 5000 cals worth of food that I could eat in about 20 minutes, but that doesn't make sugar the culprit, that makes sugar the scapegoat.
That's pretty reasonable and I don't have much objection to that thinking.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
Soooo really what you're saying is: too many calories (eating above your TDEE) will lead to weight gain, Correct?
Yes.
But (there's always a but)
Some food items make it more likely that a person will stay within their TDEE and some make it less likely. These items and the quantities within which they are consumed depend on the individual's responses to them. What they are is quite a personal thing.
Those are two separate issues.... I don't disagree with your second statement, butttttt still two separate issues.
I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on why you believe they are separate issues.
For my part I think they are inter-related and when coming up with a sustainable plan diet composition and the individual's response to it has to be considered. I don't see any merit in making things harder for yourself than it needs to be.
The reason it is a separate issue is because when you make "sugar" the culprit, you are essentially saying "you will get fat" if you eat sugar. That simply isn't the case. That is the most generic argument obviously, but if you just think about it logically, IF sugar is the culprit of obesity, why isn't everyone who eats sugar fat? How is that people can go from obese to lean while eating a bunch of sugar?
Is sugar and highly palatable foods easy to get? Absolutely. Are they cheap? Yep, I can go into a convenience store and spend 10 bucks and probably get 5000 cals worth of food that I could eat in about 20 minutes, but that doesn't make sugar the culprit, that makes sugar the scapegoat.
Thanks @Hornsby you took the words right out of my mouth! ^^^
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Demonizing fat was soooo 1980's & 90's , Sugar is the cool new debil on the block! Next Macro up....Protein!!!
Now that every one markets protein, protein, and more protein, it will only be a matter of time before the fear mongers of the world switch off sugar to demonizing protein........
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" overall intake is an easier sell.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
It's your health, your body, your life.....YOU need to be accountable for it, not someone else. It's really that simple. (not speaking directly at you)0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" overall intake is an easier sell.
fixed it for you
But that presumes the broader population will be bothered to track calorie intake with any degree of accuracy over the long term.
Most people don't and unless some kind of miracle occurs they won't and so thinking like this will always pop up.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.
Again, I don't disagree with you.
However, at the same time there can be a danger of preaching to the converted whilst marginalising anyone who may be undecided on where the truth lies when rebutting the statements which are a bit well, out there.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.
Again, I don't disagree with you.
However, at the same time there can be a danger of preaching to the converted whilst marginalising anyone who may be undecided on where the truth lies when rebutting the statements which are a bit well, out there.
I know we aren't disagreeing. Just discussing
and I'm glad it's civil.
I do think certain members, myself included at times, go about it the wrong way, but it gets old. The same posts, with the same internet articles, written by people who have no actual knowledge on how to read a scientific study. Of course sometimes people get irked and go about the wrong way (on both sides). The difference though, is that the people that do rebut the "sugar is the devil" threads are right. Regardless of tact. So whether or not they present it the right way, they are still right and making sure the correct information is in every thread. I am thankful for that. That's the way a forum should be. Someone can have their own opinion, but as in this case, sometimes the facts prove that they are wrong.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.
Again, I don't disagree with you.
However, at the same time there can be a danger of preaching to the converted whilst marginalising anyone who may be undecided on where the truth lies when rebutting the statements which are a bit well, out there.
I know we aren't disagreeing. Just discussing and I'm glad it's civil.
I do think certain members, myself included at times, go about it the wrong way, but it gets old. The same posts, with the same internet articles, written by people who have no actual knowledge on how to read a scientific study. Of course sometimes people get irked and go about the wrong way (on both sides). The difference though, is that the people that do rebut the "sugar is the devil" threads are right. Regardless of tact. So whether or not they present it the right way, they are still right and making sure the correct information is in every thread. I am thankful for that. That's the way a forum should be. Someone can have their own opinion, but as in this case, sometimes the facts prove that they are wrong.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
So what about the people sugar doesn't make things hyper-palatable for? Despite being fat, I was the one kid who though pixie sticks were disgusting. I've always preferred the taste of diet coke to regular - regular tastes like diluted syrup, and I don't like syrup. Don't care for jams or jellies either. Adding sugars to things will actually tend to make them less palatable to me. As much as I enjoy chocolate, if Snickers suddenly added another 50g of sugar to the mix, I'd probably want nothing to with it. Does that suddenly mean added sugar is a good thing?0 -
bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.
Again, I don't disagree with you.
However, at the same time there can be a danger of preaching to the converted whilst marginalising anyone who may be undecided on where the truth lies when rebutting the statements which are a bit well, out there.
I know we aren't disagreeing. Just discussing and I'm glad it's civil.
I do think certain members, myself included at times, go about it the wrong way, but it gets old. The same posts, with the same internet articles, written by people who have no actual knowledge on how to read a scientific study. Of course sometimes people get irked and go about the wrong way (on both sides). The difference though, is that the people that do rebut the "sugar is the devil" threads are right. Regardless of tact. So whether or not they present it the right way, they are still right and making sure the correct information is in every thread. I am thankful for that. That's the way a forum should be. Someone can have their own opinion, but as in this case, sometimes the facts prove that they are wrong.
Fair play.
I think getting clear, accurate information out there is important. I certainly appreciate how tiresome it can be to see the same unjustifiable positions being presented as fact when it can actually hurt people's progress rather than help it.
However, one of the hardest parts of influencing opinion is cracking through the emotional engagement people have to certain ideas which mostly trumps a rational argument. I don't think that can be effectively in most circumstances until that person feels you are "on their side" as it were. One of the biggest components of this game is the psychology of it.
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You really think it would be miraculous? I'm inclined to think that within the next decade, tracking calories with become rather effortless, though not necessarily as accurate as a lot of MFPers do. There are a few groups working on being able to give calories based on taking a picture with a smartphone, and the next big thing is the integrated wearable technology that automatically does tasks like record what you're doing. I'd actually be willing to take bets on this kind of tracking being done automatically for people who want it in the next 10 years.bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" overall intake is an easier sell.
fixed it for you
But that presumes the broader population will be bothered to track calorie intake with any degree of accuracy over the long term.
Most people don't and unless some kind of miracle occurs they won't and so thinking like this will always pop up.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
So what about the people sugar doesn't make things hyper-palatable for? Despite being fat, I was the one kid who though pixie sticks were disgusting. I've always preferred the taste of diet coke to regular - regular tastes like diluted syrup, and I don't like syrup. Don't care for jams or jellies either. Adding sugars to things will actually tend to make them less palatable to me. As much as I enjoy chocolate, if Snickers suddenly added another 50g of sugar to the mix, I'd probably want nothing to with it. Does that suddenly mean added sugar is a good thing?
Then it's not an issue.
For the people it does affect they can have some context to why they struggle so much and knowing why can help them with solutions over and above the "use willpower" approach.
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bobby19666 wrote: »I mean the bad kind and gi foods such as simple carbs. Personally i don't see it as a reason for weight gain
How many people got fat from sucking on too many sugar cubes thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many apples thereby exceeding their TDEE? Probably not that many.
How many people got fat from eating too many cakes, chocolate bars, sweets, fizzy pop, biscuits thereby exceeding their TDEE? Errrrrrrrr.
The principal issue with sugar and weight gain in my opinion is not the actual substance itself but rather how it is combined with other things (particularly fat - hmmmm, cake batter) to create hyper-palatable products and a person's individual behavioural response to that.
I got fat eating everything…philly cheesteaks, mozzarella sticks, and fried foods where my primer choices…I actually didn to eat many sugar things; although, they were included…
people get fat from overeating on EVERYTHING
Sure, I appreciate that.
However, your experience does speak to my point. The items you listed are highly palatable (cheesesteaks, mozzarella sticks and fried food) but that is not surprising as they tend to be high in fat and fat when used in cooking increases palatability. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that French cuisine which is particularly delicious in my view involves generous amounts of cream and butter.
So, if palatability increases the likelihood of over eating what happens when food stuffs are hyper-palatable especially on a behavioural front? It increases the likelihood and the three items most commonly associated with hyper palatability are sugar, fat and salt.
so why are people blaming one macronutrient - sugar - for all of the worlds evils?
People get obese because they overeat on everything and don't move enough. Period.
demonizing sugar as the scourge of the obesity epidemic is ridiculous.
Don't know really. I think there is a tendency for most of us to seek simple solutions and as a result easily executable plans.
Much as I would love to believe that most people will start keeping detailed food diaries and rationally look at their nutrition I don't think that's ever realistically going to happen on a broad scale. So, people look for easy guidelines to guide their choices. Minimising "sugary treats" is an easier sell.
But you must be able to tell the difference between the words "minimizing sugary sweets" compared to the plethora of ridiculous statements that people type on here. This thread alone has plenty of posts that say much more than "minimize sugary treats". There isn't one successful person on MFP who doesn't limit their sugary sweets. The debate/issue is why they do.
Again, I don't disagree with you.
However, at the same time there can be a danger of preaching to the converted whilst marginalising anyone who may be undecided on where the truth lies when rebutting the statements which are a bit well, out there.
I know we aren't disagreeing. Just discussing and I'm glad it's civil.
I do think certain members, myself included at times, go about it the wrong way, but it gets old. The same posts, with the same internet articles, written by people who have no actual knowledge on how to read a scientific study. Of course sometimes people get irked and go about the wrong way (on both sides). The difference though, is that the people that do rebut the "sugar is the devil" threads are right. Regardless of tact. So whether or not they present it the right way, they are still right and making sure the correct information is in every thread. I am thankful for that. That's the way a forum should be. Someone can have their own opinion, but as in this case, sometimes the facts prove that they are wrong.
Fair play.
I think getting clear, accurate information out there is important. I certainly appreciate how tiresome it can be to see the same unjustifiable positions being presented as fact when it can actually hurt people's progress rather than help it.
However, one of the hardest parts of influencing opinion is cracking through the emotional engagement people have to certain ideas which mostly trumps a rational argument. I don't think that can be effectively in most circumstances until that person feels you are "on their side" as it were. One of the biggest components of this game is the psychology of it.
Fair enough. Like I said, I definitely believe people go about it the wrong way on here, but most of the time, it is usually in response to someone who is still convinced that sugar is the devil and they reply to the threads, not always the OP. It's the people who have read the facts and still think sugar is the devil that get other's riled up...not usually the OP.
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