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Hey guys - y'all look great! Mentioning the pics was NOT a diss!0
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Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
younger people have just as many responsibilities, can have physical impairments, etc.
btw, my friend, who is 56, is doing Iron Man Lake Placid for the 16th time in a row... his streak for the marathon is even longer.0 -
Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
Right now I eat in a calorie deficit and follow a structured lifting program, and work out about five days a week. However, when I was bulking and following same regimen, I gained ten pounds...you know, CICO...I kept carbs pretty consistent during bulking and cutting.
so you are saying when you get "older" that you can eat in a calorie deficit and gain weight? How are you defining older....40, 50, 60????0 -
Oh, how I feel where you are coming from. But for me, I am one of those people that can't just stop after 2 cookies, or 1 piece of chocolate or 1/2 cup of ice cream. When I want something sweet, I REALLY want it, then I eat to much of it so this month I didn't buy any ice cream, cookies, candy nothing really sweet. I decided to get various fruits and low fat whipped cream and yogurt. That is what I have been replacing my sugary snacks with. But if you are able to stop after a couple of cookies or a little bit of ice cream, then eat it. You should be able to have something you really want after a long day. Good luck.0
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
younger people have just as many responsibilities, can have physical impairments, etc.
btw, my friend, who is 56, is doing Iron Man Lake Placid for the 16th time in a row... his streak for the marathon is even longer.
In the CDC study on physical activity of the 20% meeting the activity goal, 30% of those were 18-24yo. This age group is only 10% of the population. Many others of older age do meet activity goal, but the highest was in the 18-24 year old segment and it decreased from there.
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Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
Right now I eat in a calorie deficit and follow a structured lifting program, and work out about five days a week. However, when I was bulking and following same regimen, I gained ten pounds...you know, CICO...I kept carbs pretty consistent during bulking and cutting.
so you are saying when you get "older" that you can eat in a calorie deficit and gain weight? How are you defining older....40, 50, 60????
I would be really flipping dumb if that was what I was saying, wouldn't I?
I'm pretty sure it is clear what was meant.
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Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
Right now I eat in a calorie deficit and follow a structured lifting program, and work out about five days a week. However, when I was bulking and following same regimen, I gained ten pounds...you know, CICO...I kept carbs pretty consistent during bulking and cutting.
so you are saying when you get "older" that you can eat in a calorie deficit and gain weight? How are you defining older....40, 50, 60????
I would be really flipping dumb if that was what I was saying, wouldn't I? I'm pretty sure it is clear what was meant.
no, you are not being clear.
You said it gets harder as you get older. Ok, but if you eat in a deficit as you get older you will lose weight, which you agree with.
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Just wanted to clear up the Lebron thing. He only did keto in the off season.0
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A lot good it did him. They lost. IMO, he was gassed. Perhaps some carbs would have helped...Lebron - ketogenic diet - is one of the most visible and highest performance. This is NOT a science article, but is an interesting read. I would imagine the nutrition staff for the NBA teams are at the top of their game and even they don't agree. http://www.si.com/edge/2014/08/11/inside-lebron-james-weight-loss-and-low-carb-diet
Nonsense...You don't defy science, you have higher caloric needs and immediate energy needs that 80% of the population does not (CDC Study on activity levels in US)
1. Lack of exercise IS the major issue.Lack of excercise is a major issue, but it is here to stay due to an assortment of factors. But you also can not out run a bad diet. Diet & nutrition is the primary issue to address.
2. Technically you can out run a bad diet.
3. Diet and nutrition are a huge issue, but IMO not as much as a sedentary lifestyle. IMO, diet is over-emphasized and exercise under-emphasized...0 -
I work 4 jobs, am married and have a beautiful 4 year old son. It's ALL about YOUR priorities...You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
Physical impairment and illness is another issue altogether but hardly insurmountable. I have seen plenty of people with severed limbs train very hard. Again, it's ALL about YOUR priorities...
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
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Really? Who?Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You can't be serious. We do not defy the laws of science...You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
The bolded is the real issue. Lack of exercise. Overeating (of any macronutrient) and a sedentary lifestyle.Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
Lebron - ketogenic diet - is one of the most visible and highest performance.
You don't defy science, you have higher caloric needs and immediate energy needs that 80% of the population does not (CDC Study on activity levels in US)
Lack of excercise is a major issue, but it is here to stay due to an assortment of factors. But you also can not out run a bad diet. Diet & nutrition is the primary issue to address.
agree, and carb/sugar consumption has nothing to do with that, as you can eat carbs/sugar in a calorie deficit and lose weight, and be healthy.
so I am not sure what your point is...
The point is that we are not old enough and have not endured physical/mental/spiritual hardship so we are obviously wrong.
Not at all!
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Volek is not exactly the most unbiased person. He has been promoting lc for quite some time.Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
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^^^This...
Volek is not exactly the most unbiased person. He has been promoting lc for quite some time.Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
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I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
This is simply not true. You can think it, but that doesn't make it any less wrong.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
not the ones i know. i'll keep fueling my multi-hour bike rides and runs with bagels and pizza, thanks.0 -
Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
You guys (last 5 posts) who are shirtless and displaying pecs are a special case for nutrition. Trying to apply your nutritional habits and successes to the other 80% of the population is not appropriate.
Overweight people are the least likely to work out and it follows that their carb needs are extremely low.
what do our profile pictures have to do with anything?
So you are saying that only 20% of the population can get to 15% body fat? that is ridiculous. All it takes is hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging.
Yes, please post some studies to back up your claims.
ETA - as the shirtless profile crew eats carbs ad sugars don't we blow a pretty large hole in your whole premise? Or do we somehow defy the laws of physics...?
Your profile pics are a big clue that you use up lots of calories with physical activity, right?
No, I am saying that only 20% of the population fulfills the government recommended physical activity levels. (CDC study, sorry - no link)
And you are wrong - it take more than "hard work, dedication, micro/macro adherence, and accurate logging". You will find out what else it takes when you get older, have more responsibilities, endure physical impairment, illness or reflection.
Right now I eat in a calorie deficit and follow a structured lifting program, and work out about five days a week. However, when I was bulking and following same regimen, I gained ten pounds...you know, CICO...I kept carbs pretty consistent during bulking and cutting.
so you are saying when you get "older" that you can eat in a calorie deficit and gain weight? How are you defining older....40, 50, 60????
I would be really flipping dumb if that was what I was saying, wouldn't I? I'm pretty sure it is clear what was meant.
no, you are not being clear.
You said it gets harder as you get older. Ok, but if you eat in a deficit as you get older you will lose weight, which you agree with.
So what is your point?
I think a couple conversations got crossed - at this point none of it makes any sense!
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Volek is not exactly the most unbiased person. He has been promoting lc for quite some time.Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
Yes. We are all biased.
Volek is one of the more science based performance LC people and is probably a valid read for someone with a HC bias.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
not the ones i know. i'll keep fueling my multi-hour bike rides and runs with bagels and pizza, thanks.
You have to do what you think is best for yourself!
I just spoke up because some folks were suggesting that what they thought was best for themselves was proven best for all.
That is not the way this works.
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Volek is not exactly the most unbiased person. He has been promoting lc for quite some time.Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
Yes. We are all biased.
Volek is one of the more science based performance LC people and is probably a valid read for someone with a HC bias.
Not necessarily true. Many of us try to remain objective and recognize the evolution of science and the circumstances of each diet. And there are many in industry that does the same such as alan aragon.
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Actually, more often then not it's the reverse. The low carb, paleo, keto, clean eaters (insert your favorite diet cult here) are typically the ones detailing the ills of whatever their diet guru tells them they should not eat. Then they in turn tell us we should all be avoiding these said foods.[/quote]I just spoke up because some folks were suggesting that what they thought was best for themselves was proven best for all.
The only thing we advocate is, balance, common sense and moderation...
That goes both ways...That is not the way this works.
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Volek is not exactly the most unbiased person. He has been promoting lc for quite some time.Capt_Apollo wrote: »Athletes are beginning to see the problems with high carb and some are even working on high performance levels with minimal carbs. The metabolic issues that come with high carb diets are worth looking for another nutritional formula.
lol, what? try telling a triathlete or endurance athlete that they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Believe it or not, it is a thing! Google Dr Volek.
I think the endurance athletes are actually leading the way on adopting low carb or ketogenic diets.
Yes. We are all biased.
Volek is one of the more science based performance LC people and is probably a valid read for someone with a HC bias.
Not necessarily true. Many of us try to remain objective and recognize the evolution of science and the circumstances of each diet. And there are many in industry that does the same such as alan aragon.
I'm pretty sure Alan Aragon has a big bias but I signed up to read anyway. Should be interesting,
I'm also looking for any kind of scientific type review of the whole common sense, balanced, moderation approach but haven't had much luck.
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You've reached this conclusion because...?I'm pretty sure Alan Aragon has a big bias but I signed up to read anyway. Should be interesting,
Awe that's too bad...I'm also looking for any kind of scientific type review of the whole common sense, balanced, moderation approach but haven't had much luck.
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You've reached this conclusion because...?I'm pretty sure Alan Aragon has a big bias but I signed up to read anyway. Should be interesting,
Awe that's too bad...I'm also looking for any kind of scientific type review of the whole common sense, balanced, moderation approach but haven't had much luck.
Everyone has a bias, and it is typically based on what produces their income. It is completely normal, but he was suggested as someone without bias offering insight. I do think I'll find some insight there.
I am asking for some science based analysis of the common sense, balance & moderation approach. Does anyone have ANYTHING that has reviewed this method for weight loss?
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Don't think you're going to find any. There really isn't anything sexy about a diet based on common sense, moderation and balance.I am asking for some science based analysis of the common sense, balance & moderation approach. Does anyone have ANYTHING that has reviewed this method for weight loss?0
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