SUGAR SuGAr SuGAr!!!

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  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    nvsmomketo wrote: »
    Troutsy wrote: »
    nvsmomketo wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    And I have to be in because sugar threads always turn into dumpster fires and I have to put them out :)

    It's not as though people are saying that no one should eat sugar.

    There have been numerous threads that have popped up basically saying "sugar is the devil" and it should be avoided.

    That being said, if someone is craving something sweet, I fully believe in trying to incorporate into the diet some how rather than making it a restriction. (pending medical conditions of course)

    To be honest, I believe people's health would be better off without any added sugar in their lives, and by eating lower carbs, but people are going to do what they want. Many people do not become ill from sugar, but many do.

    I ate sugar until it became the devil for me. LOL If it hadn't become a health issue (prediabetes and exacerbating autoimmune issues), I would still be drinking my colas and saving a few calories for candy.
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    nvsmomketo wrote: »
    Troutsy wrote: »
    nvsmomketo wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    And I have to be in because sugar threads always turn into dumpster fires and I have to put them out :)

    It's not as though people are saying that no one should eat sugar.

    There have been numerous threads that have popped up basically saying "sugar is the devil" and it should be avoided.

    That being said, if someone is craving something sweet, I fully believe in trying to incorporate into the diet some how rather than making it a restriction. (pending medical conditions of course)

    To be honest, I believe people's health would be better off without any added sugar in their lives, and by eating lower carbs, but people are going to do what they want. Many people do not become ill from sugar, but many do.

    I ate sugar until it became the devil for me. LOL If it hadn't become a health issue (prediabetes and exacerbating autoimmune issues), I would still be drinking my colas and saving a few calories for candy.

    funny I eat added sugar and carbs and my blood work is nearly perfect and I maintain anywhere from 12 to 15% body fat...
    Same here. Sugar is not not the problem, overeating and a sedentary lifestyle is...
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  • cathode1977
    cathode1977 Posts: 109 Member
    ducky653 wrote: »
    I feel like the cookie monster - after a full day of working out and eating healthy vegetables, proteins, and fruits, all I want is sugary snacks!

    What do you guys use when you crave sugar, and are there any healthy ways to fight off cravings that don't involve eating more fruit?

    You may me low in chrome this can cause sugar cravings I take a supplement and it works for me I get very bad cravings when I am due on my period :smiley: )
  • cathode1977
    cathode1977 Posts: 109 Member
    The Truth About Sugar
    thetruthaboutsugar.org/
    Sugar: The Bitter Truth – Robert Lustig. Comprehensive and scientific explanation of why sugar is a toxic drug from Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of ...
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    The Truth About Sugar
    thetruthaboutsugar.org/
    Sugar: The Bitter Truth – Robert Lustig. Comprehensive and scientific explanation of why sugar is a toxic drug from Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of ...
    Lustig is a quack. A theatre major in College, he does have a flair for the dramatic. But his position is nonsense...
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    The Truth About Sugar
    thetruthaboutsugar.org/
    Sugar: The Bitter Truth – Robert Lustig. Comprehensive and scientific explanation of why sugar is a toxic drug from Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of ...

    Bahahahaha
  • ohmscheeks
    ohmscheeks Posts: 840 Member
    Sorry, you said cookie monster.

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  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    The Truth About Sugar
    thetruthaboutsugar.org/
    Sugar: The Bitter Truth – Robert Lustig. Comprehensive and scientific explanation of why sugar is a toxic drug from Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of ...

    Ummm, no. Let me just leave you with this...
    http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    nvsmomketo wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »

    Instead of trying to restrict yourself to the point of craving something, why not make room for it in your day.

    The problem with addiction is not when you try to restrict yourself. It is there whether you restrict or not.

    Cravings are not the same thing as an addiction. IMO
    1- The OP didn't say they had an addiction, they said they had cravings.

    B- if someone had a legitimate addiction, why would they expect a public nutrition forum to be of any use in dealing with their addiction?
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    I don't have a sweet tooth. It occurred to me that my defining moment was when I was diagnosed insulin resistant many years ago and I started diarizing, checking my blood sugars. I swiftly learned which foods spiked my sugar levels, and I began to associate that yuckky feeling two hours afterwards, to the over-consumption of sugar. All of a sudden that thick slice of cake with 1/2 inch of frosting did not appeal. After diarizing the results, I associated such foods with ick. They subsequently slid out of my diet. I'll still have a little sweet here and there, but it's much smaller. Like a spoonful of hubby's ice cream. I prefer vegetables and salads over fruits, even though I include fruit daily. And I never bother with sugar sodas.

    Keep in mind that I got my blood sugar under control but I continued to gain weight until I reduced my daily calorie load overall.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    Here's a podcast that I recommend checking out if you like podcasts. I don't agree with everything they say, but I enjoy it.

    http://www.evilsugarradio.com/
  • ducky653
    ducky653 Posts: 20 Member
    jaga13 wrote: »
    OP, if you are looking to fit in a daily treat, at 1400 calories, I would suggest loosely following this breakdown:

    Breakfast=300 calories
    Lunch=350
    Snack=200
    Dinner=350
    Treat=200

    There aren't any rules, but if you know you're going to want it, find a way to budget your calories so you're left with a decent amount for anything you want.


    Thanks, this will be really helpful! I didn't mean to start a sugar war - this was my first post and I had no idea it was such a touchy subject! Thanks for all your input, FP community!
  • RockstarWilson
    RockstarWilson Posts: 836 Member
    edited July 2015
    I was craving a donut... and I bought one, enjoyed it, logged it, and kept living life. :smile: I don't think you should deprive yourself of what you crave. Just make it fit into your day.

    As for the sugar "addiction"... I don't have the need to go down pounds of sugar (or any other sugar laden food for that matter) after having said donut. It was A donut, not drugs. You can have a drug addiction. You go to rehab for a drug addiction. I have never heard anybody go to rehab for a sugar addiction. :huh:

    No, they go to a Curves, Nutrisystem, or a Registered Dietician.

    http://www.asam.org/for-the-public/definition-of-addiction

    You craved a donut, you ate a donut, so you (in theory) got your fix, and life goes on. The smoker craves a cigarette, smokes a cigarette, and since they got their fix, life goes on.

    Sugar may not be a traditional addiction as we have come to label them, but the triggers and symptoms are eerily similar to one, and the neuropathways for sugar satisfaction are the same as drug satisfaction: they induce similar hormones. Science is new because we are just barely developing the technology to measure activity in the brain, and society's eyes are just barely opening to see what different foods do to us physiologically.

    If we work in absolutes, science takes the hit, because new discoveries get delayed. What if we asked the question: how do we measure with accuracy whether sugar is an addiction to a human or not? Are we biased to believe a certain thing, mainly because we (as a whole) believe sugar is good and addiction is bad? Could there be a conflict of interest?

    These are the questions we should be asking instead of telling the unknown person digitally next to us that they are absolutely, without a doubt wrong and demanding digital "evidence" by people more educated than us.

    Personally, I dont know. I look at empirical evidence: myself. I hit some green , but I dont feel a [need] to hit some again. I have smoked cigarettes since I was 13. Quitting at 26 was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my entire life. I am no longer addicted to cigarettes. And sugar...well, it's somewhere in the middle. Sometimes I can smell a cake baking, and want no part of it. Other times, I eat it to satiety.

    I wonder if it has to do with a neurological or biological balance or imbalance, these variable triggers. The senses are involved, and sensory signals can be very psychosomatic. So, I really don't know.
  • RockstarWilson
    RockstarWilson Posts: 836 Member
    edited July 2015
    Too much "you're wrong and I am right" here.

    Whatever side of the fence you are on...just know this conversation is irrational because opinions wont change no matter what you present to the other side. Rational thinkers are always open to new ways of thinking, new ways that something coukd happen, and every absolute idea they have is completely fluid, no matter how concrete the idea. Remember...human civilization dates over 10,000 years back, but only in the last 350 years or so did we accept the fact that the Earth is not the center of the universe, even though the idea was evident for centuries.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Here's a podcast that I recommend checking out if you like podcasts. I don't agree with everything they say, but I enjoy it.

    http://www.evilsugarradio.com/
    Great podcast!

  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    I have no issue with sugar either way, I find it impossible to stay under mfp's goals on a daily basis, and am often far above it.

    I do have a question though... When these sugar threads pop up, it's always the same people who jump on the pro-sugar bandwagon. I'm wondering how many of these people are under the age of say, 50 and have yet to deal with any health issues?

    Just curious, is all.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    I have no issue with sugar either way, I find it impossible to stay under mfp's goals on a daily basis, and am often far above it.

    I do have a question though... When these sugar threads pop up, it's always the same people who jump on the pro-sugar bandwagon. I'm wondering how many of these people are under the age of say, 50 and have yet to deal with any health issues?

    Just curious, is all.

    what does that have to do with anything????????
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    edited July 2015
    I have no issue with sugar either way, I find it impossible to stay under mfp's goals on a daily basis, and am often far above it.

    I do have a question though... When these sugar threads pop up, it's always the same people who jump on the pro-sugar bandwagon. I'm wondering how many of these people are under the age of say, 50 and have yet to deal with any health issues?

    Just curious, is all.

    Again, we are not pro-sugar. We are pro science. None of us are advocating diets laden with added sugar. What we are saying, is that you can eat a nutritious diet and still incorporate sugar. I frequently eat 100 - 120g of sugar, but that is mainly from fruit. I generally get 30 - 40g of added sugar, but I also hit 2500 calories (small weight loss), 150g of protein (a little more than 1g per lb of lean body mass), 80 to 90g of fat (.3 to .35g /lb of lbm) and 230 - 250g of carbs. All of this with a variety of foods to ensure I get plenty of nutrients. And just in case I am short, I do a men's one a day and I do naturemade fish oil (never can have enough omega-3s) and on top of that I work out 6-7 hours a week which consist of 4 hours of lifting, 1.5 of cardio and .5-1.5 of yoga/flexibility training.

    So are you honestly telling me, that this is a bad plan? That genetics, long term body composition, and lifestyle have less of an impact than the amount of added sugar you eat? And not even considering, that many of us aim to get 80 to 90% of our foods from whole sources? I think the bigger problem is, many people miss context.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
    As per the bolded, who is advocating this?

  • umayster
    umayster Posts: 651 Member
    I have no issue with sugar either way, I find it impossible to stay under mfp's goals on a daily basis, and am often far above it.

    I do have a question though... When these sugar threads pop up, it's always the same people who jump on the pro-sugar bandwagon. I'm wondering how many of these people are under the age of say, 50 and have yet to deal with any health issues?

    Just curious, is all.

    I've wondered it also.

    I'm also still not sure if the whole 'new products' thread is a joke or not.

  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
    As per the bolded, who is advocating this?

    I'm not saying anyone here is advocating this. I just know I care a lot more about what I put in my body now then I did when I was in my 20's and 30's.

    Like I said, I have nothing against sugar. It's just the people who advocate for sugar, aspartame etc. etc. are usually in the younger subset, or in denial :wink: Jk Jk

  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
    As per the bolded, who is advocating this?

    I'm not saying anyone here is advocating this. I just know I care a lot more about what I put in my body now then I did when I was in my 20's and 30's.

    Like I said, I have nothing against sugar. It's just the people who advocate for sugar, aspartame etc. etc. are usually in the younger subset, or in denial :wink: Jk Jk
    So you are saying people who do not advocate the removal of added sugar do not care what they put into their bodies?
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    J72FIT wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
    As per the bolded, who is advocating this?

    I'm not saying anyone here is advocating this. I just know I care a lot more about what I put in my body now then I did when I was in my 20's and 30's.

    Like I said, I have nothing against sugar. It's just the people who advocate for sugar, aspartame etc. etc. are usually in the younger subset, or in denial :wink: Jk Jk
    So you are saying people who do not advocate the removal of added sugar do not care what they put into their bodies?

    I don't know, do they?

  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    J72FIT wrote: »
    J72FIT wrote: »
    Because when we're young we can bombard our bodies with pretty much anything. It's years later when these things catch up with us...
    There's also the attitude of I'm young and invincible, and don't have to worry too much about my health just yet...
    As per the bolded, who is advocating this?

    I'm not saying anyone here is advocating this. I just know I care a lot more about what I put in my body now then I did when I was in my 20's and 30's.

    Like I said, I have nothing against sugar. It's just the people who advocate for sugar, aspartame etc. etc. are usually in the younger subset, or in denial :wink: Jk Jk
    So you are saying people who do not advocate the removal of added sugar do not care what they put into their bodies?

    I don't know, do they?
    Sure seems like you are infering that. But i know i cared about my body in the 20s. After graduation, i changed the way i ate.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    I can only comment on my own experience. I never worried about calories, micros and macros etc etc until I came here nearly a year ago.
    In essence i was pretty late to the health care party.

    I think we all know younger people who say "I'll worry about that when I'm older". I know I did.
  • SharonBrobst
    SharonBrobst Posts: 62 Member
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Also, some people have their ideas and viewpoints set in stone, and no amount of debate or studies will ever change that.

    This is why I very rarely participate in sugar or carb et al threads. Because there is always 2 sides, and neither party will budge. It's pretty much just pointless, argumentative banter.
  • SharonBrobst
    SharonBrobst Posts: 62 Member
    ducky653 wrote: »
    I feel like the cookie monster - after a full day of working out and eating healthy vegetables, proteins, and fruits, all I want is sugary snacks!

    What do you guys use when you crave sugar, and are there any healthy ways to fight off cravings that don't involve eating more fruit?

    My cravings were bad in the beginning but I just chose to ignore them and eat something healthy like nuts or greek yogurt with fruit and it would go away. Now I hardly ever crave it.