Why we need GMO

Espressocycle

socialism would be fine if we could just find a dictator to implement it successfully!

If anything socialism is more compatible with democracy than capitalism. And very few systems are all one or all the other. In the USA, defense, infrastructure and primary education are all primarily socialist. In most of Europe, medicine delivery is as well.

Some sectors benefit from central management via democratic government, others don't. And of course, some forms of democracy are more democratic than others - our winner-take-all plurality wins system favors a 2-party system that restricts choice, but leads to greater stability, for instance. Proportional representation systems allow for a diverse array of parties, but can also lead to gridlock as coalitions fall.

HardcoreP0rk

I never feared GMOs because I'm immersed in cell culture and tissue culture techniques all day erry day. It seems weird to me that people would be willing to take medicine created from GMO methods but be really afraid of food...

pixlamarque

Maybe the problem isn't a lack of food but a surplus of people. So if they could just genetically modify the food to reduce the fertility of the general population (because, of course, suggesting that someone in control of such technology might direct it at specific populations is offensive) it might solve the problem of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Or maybe we just need a really good plaque.

Carnivor0us

socialism would be fine if we could just find a dictator to implement it successfully!

If anything socialism is more compatible with democracy than capitalism. And very few systems are all one or all the other. In the USA, defense, infrastructure and primary education are all primarily socialist. In most of Europe, medicine delivery is as well.

Some sectors benefit from central management via democratic government, others don't. And of course, some forms of democracy are more democratic than others - our winner-take-all plurality wins system favors a 2-party system that restricts choice, but leads to greater stability, for instance. Proportional representation systems allow for a diverse array of parties, but can also lead to gridlock as coalitions fall.

Our *Republic* was never designed for a 2-party system. Proportional representation focuses on political party representation, not representation chosen by the people.

Carnivor0us

Maybe the problem isn't a lack of food but a surplus of people. So if they could just genetically modify the food to reduce the fertility of the general population (because, of course, suggesting that someone in control of such technology might direct it at specific populations is offensive) it might solve the problem of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Or maybe we just need a really good plaque.

Eugenics is so 1920s.

pixlamarque

Maybe the problem isn't a lack of food but a surplus of people. So if they could just genetically modify the food to reduce the fertility of the general population (because, of course, suggesting that someone in control of such technology might direct it at specific populations is offensive) it might solve the problem of feeding the world's burgeoning population. Or maybe we just need a really good plaque.

Eugenics is so 1920s.

Yes, but I'm an old fashioned kind of girl.

Dragonwolf

A patent by nature has to be detailed enough so it can be replicated by other people. The purpose of patent is both to protect the inventor and to eventually benefit society at large. If the invention is useful and profitable enough, the information in the patent is always enough to create a copy.

You, good sir, have way too much faith in the US patent system if you truly believe that patents are detailed enough to be replicated. I suggest checking out the state of tech patents...

dbmata

Need GMO's? Are you fu*king kidding me? Thousands of years of sustainable farming on earth would argue

Glad someone said it.

This thread is full retard.

etoiles_argentees

How funny, just posted this today.

More Gorski - http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/once-more-bad-science-in-the-service-of-anti-gmo-activism/#more-27049

jwdieter

I never feared GMOs because I'm immersed in cell culture and tissue culture techniques all day erry day. It seems weird to me that people would be willing to take medicine created from GMO methods but be really afraid of food...

Lots of different issues out there. Can draw some comparisons with overuse of antibiotics. Antibiotics save millions of lives, but imprudent application may ultimately kill millions. Science isn't evil in itself.

dbmata

A patent by nature has to be detailed enough so it can be replicated by other people. The purpose of patent is both to protect the inventor and to eventually benefit society at large. If the invention is useful and profitable enough, the information in the patent is always enough to create a copy.

You, good sir, have way too much faith in the US patent system if you truly believe that patents are detailed enough to be replicated. I suggest checking out the state of tech patents...

Yup.

Espressocycle

Need GMO's? Are you fu*king kidding me? Thousands of years of sustainable farming on earth would argue

Glad someone said it.

This thread is full retard.

You mean thousands of years marked by recurring famine, the rise and fall of civilizations due to crop yields, desertification of land...

lizzzylou

GMO has the potential to save the environment though less intensive/harmful farming, biofuels, carbon sequestration... the possibilities are endless. Monsanto is not a great corporate steward, but the technology itself has loads of potential.

hmmm idk about that. And I think a lot of farmers would disagree.

The fact that nearly all farmers of corn and soybeans use roundup-ready GMO crops to avoid the added work of tilling and weeding would seemingly contradict that statement. GMO crops allow no-till farming which reduces erosion, nutrient pollution, need for fertilizers, labor inputs, etc. Other GMO traits reduce the need for pesticides, making organic farming practices more productive.

One of the first logical arguements!:drinker:

lizzzylou

Need GMO's? Are you fu*king kidding me? Thousands of years of sustainable farming on earth would argue

Glad someone said it.

This thread is full retard.

You mean thousands of years marked by recurring famine, the rise and fall of civilizations due to crop yields, desertification of land...

You're my new favorite My Fitness Palerin! Finally history, facts, and sound logic!

VorJoshigan

I hope, VorJoshigan, that you aren't implying that the larger of the two fish shown in your picture must have been genetically modified based on its size. I live on one of the best salmon rivers in the world, and I can assure you that the larger of the two is not even close to how large a salmon can grow. When I was a young child my father regularly brought home salmon over twice that size. When he was a child, 50 years ago, his father also fished and salmon over 1m long were fairly commonplace.

A late reply that will never be read, but no, I wasn't implying it was modified based on size. I hereby state as fact that the larger of the two salmon is a GMO. It has not been modified to grow larger, it has been modified to grow faster. For the salmon farmers, time to market is more important than absolute size.

Espressocycle

socialism would be fine if we could just find a dictator to implement it successfully!

If anything socialism is more compatible with democracy than capitalism. And very few systems are all one or all the other. In the USA, defense, infrastructure and primary education are all primarily socialist. In most of Europe, medicine delivery is as well.

Some sectors benefit from central management via democratic government, others don't. And of course, some forms of democracy are more democratic than others - our winner-take-all plurality wins system favors a 2-party system that restricts choice, but leads to greater stability, for instance. Proportional representation systems allow for a diverse array of parties, but can also lead to gridlock as coalitions fall.

Our *Republic* was never designed for a 2-party system. Proportional representation focuses on political party representation, not representation chosen by the people.

It may not have been designed for that purpose, but that was the result of the design. By awarding victory to the candidate who wins a plurality of votes, you pretty much guarantee that elections with more than two candidates will have a winner who receives less than 51% of the vote, which discourages having more than two parties.

Vivian06703188

One of the main issues with GMO in agriculture is that they have to spray the GMO crops repeatedly and much more with insecticides than conventional crops. They are not healthy to eat and are more expensive to produce. They are outlawed in many countries due to cross pollination ruining the conventional seed supply. GMO's are just all around bad. You really need to study the subject.

lizzzylou

One of the main issues with GMO in agriculture is that they have to spray the GMO crops repeatedly and much more with insecticides than conventional crops. They are not healthy to eat and are more expensive to produce. They are outlawed in many countries due to cross pollination ruining the conventional seed supply. GMO's are just all around bad. You really need to study the subject.

Another sound arguement! :drinker:

Carnivor0us

One of the main issues with GMO in agriculture is that they have to spray the GMO crops repeatedly and much more with insecticides than conventional crops. They are not healthy to eat and are more expensive to produce. They are outlawed in many countries due to cross pollination ruining the conventional seed supply. GMO's are just all around bad. You really need to study the subject.

Another sound arguement! :drinker:

Hahahahahaha

AliciaStinger

Thanks for the hogwash monsanto

Ditto. OP, pull your head out of the sand and go read a book. You can start with "Essential Environment, 4th Edition" by Jay H Withgott and Matthew Laposata. It's a textbook for an intro to science course, which you could obviously use. I suppose you think glowing sheep and glowing trees are good, too.