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Liftng4Lis wrote: »I wasn't snarky to anyone. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Frankly, you comment "snort" on a lot of things, which I would consider much ruder (and intentionally rude) than anything I've said.anyone that puts "snort" or "sigh" in their post is intentionally implying that I'm being ridiculous or stupid. If that's not what they mean by it, then I would suggest they reconsider how they present themselves.
Actually, snort is me agreeing with or laughing at a post. I do it to my friends constantly as it's part of my trademark in posting. Although it's irrelevant, nor in anyway does it minimize your snarky response. Additionally, I've been here quite some time and I like how I present myself just fine. For you to attack me in such a manner, is unacceptable, again reiterating that you must be new here.
I believe she is new here. Tonight I have read another thread she was involved in and I'm not impressed. Op does not want to listen to anyone here. I don't think she should post on any more threads tonight. Op maybe you just need to go to bed. Rude or not, someone needed to say this to you. Goodnight.
I'm sorry you're not impressed with me. That seems to be a personal problem. This is my thread. "New here" should NOT be an insult. You can stay off my threads in the future if you are going to say such things. Goodbye-5 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »I wasn't snarky to anyone. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Frankly, you comment "snort" on a lot of things, which I would consider much ruder (and intentionally rude) than anything I've said.anyone that puts "snort" or "sigh" in their post is intentionally implying that I'm being ridiculous or stupid. If that's not what they mean by it, then I would suggest they reconsider how they present themselves.
Actually, snort is me agreeing with or laughing at a post. I do it to my friends constantly as it's part of my trademark in posting. Although it's irrelevant, nor in anyway does it minimize your snarky response. Additionally, I've been here quite some time and I like how I present myself just fine. For you to attack me in such a manner, is unacceptable, again reiterating that you must be new here.
I feel like "you must be new here" is meant to be an insult. I'm sorry that I recently decided to make a change in my life. I called you out because I felt you were being rude by saying "snort". Perhaps you didn't mean for it to be rude, but it definitely came across that way, especially combined with the sarcasm of "we don't have concerts in america".
Are you new to the concept of being someone new to a group / organization too?
Also, you caught that it was sarcasm, but still felt the need to mention you're American?0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I wasn't snarky to anyone. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Frankly, you comment "snort" on a lot of things, which I would consider much ruder (and intentionally rude) than anything I've said.anyone that puts "snort" or "sigh" in their post is intentionally implying that I'm being ridiculous or stupid. If that's not what they mean by it, then I would suggest they reconsider how they present themselves.
Actually, snort is me agreeing with or laughing at a post. I do it to my friends constantly as it's part of my trademark in posting. Although it's irrelevant, nor in anyway does it minimize your snarky response. Additionally, I've been here quite some time and I like how I present myself just fine. For you to attack me in such a manner, is unacceptable, again reiterating that you must be new here.
I feel like "you must be new here" is meant to be an insult. I'm sorry that I recently decided to make a change in my life. I called you out because I felt you were being rude by saying "snort". Perhaps you didn't mean for it to be rude, but it definitely came across that way, especially combined with the sarcasm of "we don't have concerts in america".
Maybe instead she meant that if you'd been here long enough, you'd know her well enough to know her personality.
ok, if that's the case there are tons of new people here every day... she can't get offended every time someone takes her "snort" and sarcasm as rude.0 -
Oh that part didn't offend me at all. Made my night actually!blankiefinder wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I wasn't snarky to anyone. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Frankly, you comment "snort" on a lot of things, which I would consider much ruder (and intentionally rude) than anything I've said.anyone that puts "snort" or "sigh" in their post is intentionally implying that I'm being ridiculous or stupid. If that's not what they mean by it, then I would suggest they reconsider how they present themselves.
Actually, snort is me agreeing with or laughing at a post. I do it to my friends constantly as it's part of my trademark in posting. Although it's irrelevant, nor in anyway does it minimize your snarky response. Additionally, I've been here quite some time and I like how I present myself just fine. For you to attack me in such a manner, is unacceptable, again reiterating that you must be new here.
I feel like "you must be new here" is meant to be an insult. I'm sorry that I recently decided to make a change in my life. I called you out because I felt you were being rude by saying "snort". Perhaps you didn't mean for it to be rude, but it definitely came across that way, especially combined with the sarcasm of "we don't have concerts in america".
Maybe instead she meant that if you'd been here long enough, you'd know her well enough to know her personality.
ok, if that's the case there are tons of new people here every day... she can't get offended every time someone takes her "snort" and sarcasm as rude.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I never said you hadn't. I basically asked a question. From the responses I got it sounded like people expected me to just do normal activity at a concert.
No, we just know that you won't be burning enough calories to log. But obviously, you don't believe that, therefore you believe none of us know what's what.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that if I'm dancing and jumping for 3+ hours, even with quite a few breaks, I'm going to be burning more calories than I do when I walk for exercise. So should I not be counting that either?
The problem is that it's only one day so you will burn a few extra calories but you would be surprised how few net calories you actually burn. If you burn 500 additional (i.e. net) calories over that 3 hours that's really good. Running will give you 2/3 x body weight in net calories burned per mile. That's not a lot when you think of it and walking is 1/3 x body weight. Dancing is going to be closer to running but you don't dance continuously because you don't have the stamina and their are frequent breaks. I imagine you'll be lucky to do the equivalent burn of 2 miles of running per hour.
2 miles of running per hour seems like a lot to me. Sure, if I was actually running I would cover more than 2 miles in an hour, but if I'm basically running 6 miles in one evening that seems like pretty big thing to me when I have my activity level at lightly active? I promise I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely trying to figure out where you're coming from.
I'm trying to give you the reasoning why you will not burn as many calories as you think by showing you that you have already accounted for a lot of calories in your baseline. The problem a lot of people get themselves into is that they don't realize that they are double counting calories by logging a full boat of calories in an non-exercise activity when many of those calories are already accounted for since they are given as gross rather than net in the exercise compendium that they use on these sites.
I'm sorry if this has a lot of new information but the topic is rather complex but the long and short is that you have to be careful what you log and how much because you are already accounting for some of those calories in your activity level.0 -
Liftng4Lis wrote: »I wasn't snarky to anyone. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Frankly, you comment "snort" on a lot of things, which I would consider much ruder (and intentionally rude) than anything I've said.anyone that puts "snort" or "sigh" in their post is intentionally implying that I'm being ridiculous or stupid. If that's not what they mean by it, then I would suggest they reconsider how they present themselves.
Actually, snort is me agreeing with or laughing at a post. I do it to my friends constantly as it's part of my trademark in posting. Although it's irrelevant, nor in anyway does it minimize your snarky response. Additionally, I've been here quite some time and I like how I present myself just fine. For you to attack me in such a manner, is unacceptable, again reiterating that you must be new here.
I feel like "you must be new here" is meant to be an insult. I'm sorry that I recently decided to make a change in my life. I called you out because I felt you were being rude by saying "snort". Perhaps you didn't mean for it to be rude, but it definitely came across that way, especially combined with the sarcasm of "we don't have concerts in america".
Are you new to the concept of being someone new to a group / organization too?
Also, you caught that it was sarcasm, but still felt the need to mention you're American?
the sarcasm was in the "we don't have concerts in America" which implies that I am not American (which is not offensive, but untrue)0 -
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I'm the partner of a professional musician, so I've probably been sitting right next to you as he plays his guitar and sings and doesn't count the calories as extra.
Drummer and singer here
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I'm the partner of a professional musician, so I've probably been sitting right next to you as he plays his guitar and sings and doesn't count the calories as extra.
Drummer and singer here
Cool!
I can't sing, and the only thing I drum are my fingers.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I never said you hadn't. I basically asked a question. From the responses I got it sounded like people expected me to just do normal activity at a concert.
No, we just know that you won't be burning enough calories to log. But obviously, you don't believe that, therefore you believe none of us know what's what.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that if I'm dancing and jumping for 3+ hours, even with quite a few breaks, I'm going to be burning more calories than I do when I walk for exercise. So should I not be counting that either?
The problem is that it's only one day so you will burn a few extra calories but you would be surprised how few net calories you actually burn. If you burn 500 additional (i.e. net) calories over that 3 hours that's really good. Running will give you 2/3 x body weight in net calories burned per mile. That's not a lot when you think of it and walking is 1/3 x body weight. Dancing is going to be closer to running but you don't dance continuously because you don't have the stamina and their are frequent breaks. I imagine you'll be lucky to do the equivalent burn of 2 miles of running per hour.
2 miles of running per hour seems like a lot to me. Sure, if I was actually running I would cover more than 2 miles in an hour, but if I'm basically running 6 miles in one evening that seems like pretty big thing to me when I have my activity level at lightly active? I promise I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely trying to figure out where you're coming from.
I'm trying to give you the reasoning why you will not burn as many calories as you think by showing you that you have already accounted for a lot of calories in your baseline. The problem a lot of people get themselves into is that they don't realize that they are double counting calories by logging a full boat of calories in an non-exercise activity when many of those calories are already accounted for since they are given as gross rather than net in the exercise compendium that they use on these sites.
I'm sorry if this has a lot of new information but the topic is rather complex but the long and short is that you have to be careful what you log and how much because you are already accounting for some of those calories in your activity level.
I'm really confused by this. So since my baseline is low should I be counting anything that burns less calories than my daily calorie goal?
By your calculation I would still be burning more calories than I do in my usual daily exercise.0 -
@kateyb94 many people who have been super helpful on the MFP forums for a very long time have offered you good advice tonight. You got your answers and have stated what you've decided you're going to, so why not stop derailing your own thread and let it go?0
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Ok, I know this is a really weird question and it's going to be kind of difficult to answer. Next Tuesday I'm going to a Fall Out Boy concert, and I want to know how many calories I should put as my burn.
I always expel a lot of energy at concerts, and I know there's not really a way to determine exactly how many calories I will burn, but I want to get a ballpark number just to help me keep on track.
I've had people recommend I just make it a "cheat day" and not worry about it, but a "cheat day" to me implies that I'm dieting.
Anyway, anyone is free to spitball
I'd log 2-3 hours of dancing0 -
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I'm the partner of a professional musician, so I've probably been sitting right next to you as he plays his guitar and sings and doesn't count the calories as extra.
Drummer and singer here
Cool!
I can't sing, and the only thing I drum are my fingers.
my hubby does lol he is the drummer and singer...i just sing a bit for fun. .....and watch the fans run off.
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Marilyn0924 wrote: »@kateyb94 many people who have been super helpful on the MFP forums for a very long time have offered you good advice tonight. You got your answers and have stated what you've decided you're going to, so why not stop derailing your own thread and let it go?
Am I not allowed to stand up for myself? I don't like the derailing, and I really appreciate the helpful comments. I'm particularly interested in what @Wheelhouse15 is talking about. However, if people are going to insist on being rude to me on my own thread I'm going to stand up for myself. I am an adult. I am not stupid. I realize I don't know everything, I am willing to learn... however, I am very unwilling to listen to people who are going to treat me like I am a child or like I don't know anything.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I never said you hadn't. I basically asked a question. From the responses I got it sounded like people expected me to just do normal activity at a concert.
No, we just know that you won't be burning enough calories to log. But obviously, you don't believe that, therefore you believe none of us know what's what.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that if I'm dancing and jumping for 3+ hours, even with quite a few breaks, I'm going to be burning more calories than I do when I walk for exercise. So should I not be counting that either?
The problem is that it's only one day so you will burn a few extra calories but you would be surprised how few net calories you actually burn. If you burn 500 additional (i.e. net) calories over that 3 hours that's really good. Running will give you 2/3 x body weight in net calories burned per mile. That's not a lot when you think of it and walking is 1/3 x body weight. Dancing is going to be closer to running but you don't dance continuously because you don't have the stamina and their are frequent breaks. I imagine you'll be lucky to do the equivalent burn of 2 miles of running per hour.
2 miles of running per hour seems like a lot to me. Sure, if I was actually running I would cover more than 2 miles in an hour, but if I'm basically running 6 miles in one evening that seems like pretty big thing to me when I have my activity level at lightly active? I promise I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely trying to figure out where you're coming from.
I'm trying to give you the reasoning why you will not burn as many calories as you think by showing you that you have already accounted for a lot of calories in your baseline. The problem a lot of people get themselves into is that they don't realize that they are double counting calories by logging a full boat of calories in an non-exercise activity when many of those calories are already accounted for since they are given as gross rather than net in the exercise compendium that they use on these sites.
I'm sorry if this has a lot of new information but the topic is rather complex but the long and short is that you have to be careful what you log and how much because you are already accounting for some of those calories in your activity level.
I'm really confused by this. So since my baseline is low should I be counting anything that burns less calories than my daily calorie goal?
By your calculation I would still be burning more calories than I do in my usual daily exercise.
This is where it gets complicated because we are just dealing with averages and estimates so the question you have to ask yourself is, in the contexts of a week is this 3 hours going to really make my total non-exercise activity for the week higher than what I have stated? If you can reasonably answer yes then you can justify adding in SOME extra calories but only the calories that aren't normally burned. This is why we really recommend you don't do it or log a conservative amount.
It's easy to think you are burning more than you are and end up overeating in response and then wondering why you didn't lose or might have gained. So my recommendation, if you are really active to the point that you are feeling winded then think of it as running a short distance at a time and log maybe 2 miles an hour of running. If you aren't then log it as 2 miles walking. Why these numbers? TBH they are just conservative estimates out of my butt but they will help keep you from overestimating and that's the important part.0 -
Marilyn0924 wrote: »@kateyb94 many people who have been super helpful on the MFP forums for a very long time have offered you good advice tonight. You got your answers and have stated what you've decided you're going to, so why not stop derailing your own thread and let it go?
Am I not allowed to stand up for myself? I don't like the derailing, and I really appreciate the helpful comments. I'm particularly interested in what @Wheelhouse15 is talking about. However, if people are going to insist on being rude to me on my own thread I'm going to stand up for myself. I am an adult. I am not stupid. I realize I don't know everything, I am willing to learn... however, I am very unwilling to listen to people who are going to treat me like I am a child or like I don't know anything.
OK, but if that's you flagging everything, you should know it will backfire and get you in trouble. Posts should only be flagged for abuse when they're terribly egregious. Nothing in this thread has met that criteria.0 -
Eh, I'll just be brusque. Honestly, none of this is really about having any kind of methodology to know, ballpark, or even roll a die to get the amount of calories you'll burn at the concert.
It is really about you want to other people to give you permission to eat more on a day that you feel is fun, and you want people to validate it under the idea that you'll burn X calories dancing. Everyone here is telling you why X is not anything like what you want for validation. Instead, just realize you don't need permission or validation, it is just food. Eat it, log it if you want, pick up tomorrow and follow the routine that's worked so far. Your guts can't hold enough food for you to screw up weight loss long term if you go back to following the the MFP method.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »
I never insinuated that. If I had said "You obviously haven't ever been to a concert" I could see that. But that's not what I said.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise
Snort! NOPE, we don't have them here in America!
Again, I would consider this already accounted for in my activity level. You asked the question and aren't liking the answer that the majority of the people on this board are going to provide. You will find people here that log cooking and cleaning as well, I'm sure they'll be along soon.
you realize I am an American right? I only said that because of the comments that it's counted in my activity level... I am WAY more active at a concert than I would be most other days.
Also, I don't log things I do every day like cooking and cleaning. but I suppose a lot of you would say I shouldn't have logged helping my boyfriend move even though I know I burned over 1000 calories doing so.
I guess the thing I'm really concerned about is that for a 3+ hour concert full of jumping and dancing I'm afraid that I'm not going to eat ENOUGH. But at the same time I don't want to over eat in an attempt to avoid under eating. I know one day wont throw me off, but as @sllrunner said I try to be as accurate as possible which is why I'm just looking for some ballpark numbers.
Nope, didn't look, as it's irrelevant to the question.
Then you shouldn't have made the statement as it was rude.
Insinuating no one but you had ever been to a concert was rude.
well it wasnt nice to start of with
There is a high possibility as wife of a musician that i saw more concerts in my life than you ever can imagine.
I never said you hadn't. I basically asked a question. From the responses I got it sounded like people expected me to just do normal activity at a concert.
No, we just know that you won't be burning enough calories to log. But obviously, you don't believe that, therefore you believe none of us know what's what.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that if I'm dancing and jumping for 3+ hours, even with quite a few breaks, I'm going to be burning more calories than I do when I walk for exercise. So should I not be counting that either?
The problem is that it's only one day so you will burn a few extra calories but you would be surprised how few net calories you actually burn. If you burn 500 additional (i.e. net) calories over that 3 hours that's really good. Running will give you 2/3 x body weight in net calories burned per mile. That's not a lot when you think of it and walking is 1/3 x body weight. Dancing is going to be closer to running but you don't dance continuously because you don't have the stamina and their are frequent breaks. I imagine you'll be lucky to do the equivalent burn of 2 miles of running per hour.
2 miles of running per hour seems like a lot to me. Sure, if I was actually running I would cover more than 2 miles in an hour, but if I'm basically running 6 miles in one evening that seems like pretty big thing to me when I have my activity level at lightly active? I promise I'm not trying to be rude, I'm genuinely trying to figure out where you're coming from.
I'm trying to give you the reasoning why you will not burn as many calories as you think by showing you that you have already accounted for a lot of calories in your baseline. The problem a lot of people get themselves into is that they don't realize that they are double counting calories by logging a full boat of calories in an non-exercise activity when many of those calories are already accounted for since they are given as gross rather than net in the exercise compendium that they use on these sites.
I'm sorry if this has a lot of new information but the topic is rather complex but the long and short is that you have to be careful what you log and how much because you are already accounting for some of those calories in your activity level.
I'm really confused by this. So since my baseline is low should I be counting anything that burns less calories than my daily calorie goal?
By your calculation I would still be burning more calories than I do in my usual daily exercise.
This is where it gets complicated because we are just dealing with averages and estimates so the question you have to ask yourself is, in the contexts of a week is this 3 hours going to really make my total non-exercise activity for the week higher than what I have stated? If you can reasonably answer yes then you can justify adding in SOME extra calories but only the calories that aren't normally burned. This is why we really recommend you don't do it or log a conservative amount.
It's easy to think you are burning more than you are and end up overeating in response and then wondering why you didn't lose or might have gained. So my recommendation, if you are really active to the point that you are feeling winded then think of it as running a short distance at a time and log maybe 2 miles an hour of running. If you aren't then log it as 2 miles walking. Why these numbers? TBH they are just conservative estimates out of my butt but they will help keep you from overestimating and that's the important part.
That makes sense! Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me!0 -
Marilyn0924 wrote: »@kateyb94 many people who have been super helpful on the MFP forums for a very long time have offered you good advice tonight. You got your answers and have stated what you've decided you're going to, so why not stop derailing your own thread and let it go?
Am I not allowed to stand up for myself? I don't like the derailing, and I really appreciate the helpful comments. I'm particularly interested in what @Wheelhouse15 is talking about. However, if people are going to insist on being rude to me on my own thread I'm going to stand up for myself. I am an adult. I am not stupid. I realize I don't know everything, I am willing to learn... however, I am very unwilling to listen to people who are going to treat me like I am a child or like I don't know anything.
OK, but if that's you flagging everything, you should know it will backfire and get you in trouble. Posts should only be flagged for abuse when they're terribly egregious. Nothing in this thread has met that criteria.
It's not me flagging everything, although I've seen people flagged for similar things... or less0 -
Eh, I'll just be brusque. Honestly, none of this is really about having any kind of methodology to know, ballpark, or even roll a die to get the amount of calories you'll burn at the concert.
It is really about you want to other people to give you permission to eat more on a day that you feel is fun, and you want people to validate it under the idea that you'll burn X calories dancing. Everyone here is telling you why X is not anything like what you want for validation. Instead, just realize you don't need permission or validation, it is just food. Eat it, log it if you want, pick up tomorrow and follow the routine that's worked so far. Your guts can't hold enough food for you to screw up weight loss long term if you go back to following the the MFP method.
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Eh, I'll just be brusque. Honestly, none of this is really about having any kind of methodology to know, ballpark, or even roll a die to get the amount of calories you'll burn at the concert.
It is really about you want to other people to give you permission to eat more on a day that you feel is fun, and you want people to validate it under the idea that you'll burn X calories dancing. Everyone here is telling you why X is not anything like what you want for validation. Instead, just realize you don't need permission or validation, it is just food. Eat it, log it if you want, pick up tomorrow and follow the routine that's worked so far. Your guts can't hold enough food for you to screw up weight loss long term if you go back to following the the MFP method.
Are you a psychologist? Because you're wrong. I'm sorry, but if you look at my comments on people that were not being rude and actually tried to be helpful, even when it wasn't necessarily what I wanted to hear (ex my convo with wheelhouse) you'll see that that's not the case.0 -
Psychologist? No, I'm an adult who's willing to treat you like an adult.Eh, I'll just be brusque. Honestly, none of this is really about having any kind of methodology to know, ballpark, or even roll a die to get the amount of calories you'll burn at the concert.
It is really about you want to other people to give you permission to eat more on a day that you feel is fun, and you want people to validate it under the idea that you'll burn X calories dancing. Everyone here is telling you why X is not anything like what you want for validation. Instead, just realize you don't need permission or validation, it is just food. Eat it, log it if you want, pick up tomorrow and follow the routine that's worked so far. Your guts can't hold enough food for you to screw up weight loss long term if you go back to following the the MFP method.
Are you a psychologist? Because you're wrong. I'm sorry, but if you look at my comments on people that were not being rude and actually tried to be helpful, even when it wasn't necessarily what I wanted to hear (ex my convo with wheelhouse) you'll see that that's not the case.0 -
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I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise... have you ever listened to Fall Out Boy?
I go to concerts all the time. Always standing, always active. Rarely do I even break a sweat moshing and whatever, unless it's a hot and humid day and I'm in the sun.
Sorry, as others said just call it an even day, otherwise you're going to be disappointed. Not only that, you're stressing yourself over what basically amounts to nothing.
It's one day, if you go over your daily calories, so what? Enjoy yourself at the concert, and not worry about this. That's how I do it.0 -
I don't know if any of you have ever been to a rock concert, but it generally involves a lot of jumping... which I would consider exercise... have you ever listened to Fall Out Boy?
I go to concerts all the time. Rarely do I even break a sweat moshing and whatever, unless it's a hot and humid day and I'm in the sun. Sorry, as others said just call it an even day, otherwise you're going to be disappointed.
It's one day, if you go over your daily calories, so what? Enjoy yourself at the concert, and not worry about this. That's how I do it.
just a small fyi the "have you ever listened to Fall Out Boy" was in response to someone referring to it as "white boy rap". FOB is not rap... or anything close to it.
As far as the "not worrying about it" I mentioned earlier that my concern was about not wanting to under eat or over eat that day. A lot of people have recommended eating at maintenance, which is what I intend to do.
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As I said in my last comment:
Thank you for your time, I appreciate the advice. I'm sorry if I came across as rude (except for my response to the obviously rude comment asking someone not to comment on my thread). I intend to stand up for myself, and if that comes across as rude on the internet I'm very sorry. I realize that may be the case for other's comments as well.
However, as far as I'm concerned this thread is closed and I do not intend to anymore comments.0
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