The Cleanse
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kimmiebrito wrote: »AND I personally know two people who cured their diabetes using herbalife & the nutribullet. They are both over 40 and never looked better. I know even more people without any diseases who have lost weight using these plans as well.
Point 1: Type 2 diabetes can be caused by obesity. Lose the weight and it can correct itself. Has nothing to do with Herbalife or Nutribullet. Those are just tools to help people lose weight.
Point 2: Unless you have scientific proof of these people being cured of diseases from doing cleanses, I'm going to have to say no. And pretty much everyone else here will as well.
Point 3: Your diet and how you eat is crucial to your health. No one is disagreeing with that! But by your logic, using a cleanse of putting random ingrediants into your body that have little to no nutrtional value and nothing else for however long means what? Anybody? Anybody? Buller? Yeah, you're putting *kitten* into you body, so you'll be getting *kitten* out of it. Literally.
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If the sole purpose of it is to loseTherealobi1 wrote: »
I hear you but a cleanse is still not needed. Change of some habits is neededkimmiebrito wrote: »Fat sick & nearly dead
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You guys need to stop being ignorant, food is fuels our body.
You put *kitten* into it you get *kitten* in return
You overload your micronutrients -- it'll work wonders.
That's why you hear of many people ridding of their diabetes by changing the way they eat.
Your diet is crucial to how your body functions.
If the sole purpose of it is to lose weight, it is not needed. It still does provide many benefits.. It was annoying me how people say it was a waste of money and does nothing, which is absolutely NOT true. I was addressing the people who said it does nothing for you. Remember, juicing isnt made up of processed food. It is made up of natural foods juiced, so that the body may absorb more of the nutrients. And juicing allows you to eat more fruit AND vegetables than you could if it was not in a liquid state, or in a single serving0 -
So it was the herbal life that cured the diabetes not the fact they probably started to eat lesskimmiebrito wrote: »AND I personally know two people who cured their diabetes using herbalife & the nutribullet. They are both over 40 and never looked better. I know even more people without any diseases who have lost weight using these plans as well.0 -
If you eat one shake for breakfast one shake for lunch then a small dinner of course you will lose weight. Herbal life has nothing to do with the weight loss it's the fact they are eating less.0
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kimmiebrito wrote: »AND I personally know two people who cured their diabetes using herbalife & the nutribullet. They are both over 40 and never looked better. I know even more people without any diseases who have lost weight using these plans as well.
Point 1: Type 2 diabetes can be caused by obesity. Lose the weight and it can correct itself. Has nothing to do with Herbalife or Nutribullet. Those are just tools to help people lose weight.
Point 2: Unless you have scientific proof of these people being cured of diseases from doing cleanses, I'm going to have to say no. And pretty much everyone else here will as well.
Point 3: Your diet and how you eat is crucial to your health. No one is disagreeing with that! But by your logic, using a cleanse of putting random ingrediants into your body that have little to no nutrtional value and nothing else for however long means what? Anybody? Anybody? Buller? Yeah, you're putting *kitten* into you body, so you'll be getting *kitten* out of it. Literally.
1) "Tools to help people lose weight" is exactly what I meant. If you saw the original post, I was directing it at someone who said juicing has NO benefits whatsoever.
2)The documentaries I provided have been backed up by A LOT of scientific proof. Watch them.
3) Random ingredients with no nutritional value? Many fruits and vegetables are VERY high in micronutrients, IMO.
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You could eat McDonalds, be in a caloric deficit, and lose weight -- that's not the point -- just eating less and losing weight doesn't mean that you are providing all of the necessary vitamins and minerals to your body to keep its organs running as efficiently as possible. And I'm not saying you NEED herbalife or nutribullet to be healthy. I don't even use them. What I'm saying is that they do provide more than "nothing." You don't need to juice everything; you can eat them whole and still be very healthy.Therealobi1 wrote: »If you eat one shake for breakfast one shake for lunch then a small dinner of course you will lose weight. Herbal life has nothing to do with the weight loss it's the fact they are eating less.0 -
I haven't been on a thread in ages. Oh how I missed these same old topics and mad OPs. <sarcasm>
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If we plan out what we eat we can get the nutrients we need by eating food. You don't need to juice, you don't need anything sold by a coach or any other gimmick out there0
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Also you can choose not to juice at all and still be healthy.0
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I just said "you can eat them whole" lol, and All a nutribullet does is blend food lmao, YOU put the ingredients in, I don't see how that could be a gimmick.Therealobi1 wrote: »If we plan out what we eat we can get the nutrients we need by eating food. You don't need to juice, you don't need anything sold by a coach or any other gimmick out there0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Also you can choose not to juice at all and still be healthy.
I just said that.....0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »Also you can choose not to juice at all and still be healthy.
I just said that.....
Ok good so we are both saying juicing is not necessary.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »Also you can choose not to juice at all and still be healthy.
I just said that.....
Ok good so we are both saying juicing is not necessary.
Yes! It is just beneficial which is the point I was trying to get at from the start0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »
I just said "you can eat them whole" lol, and All a nutribullet does is blend food lmao, YOU put the ingredients in, I don't see how that could be a gimmick.Therealobi1 wrote: »If we plan out what we eat we can get the nutrients we need by eating food. You don't need to juice, you don't need anything sold by a coach or any other gimmick out there
Nutribullet is not the issue. It's this idea that people have about juicing and it's the way to kick start weightloss.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »kimmiebrito wrote: »
I just said "you can eat them whole" lol, and All a nutribullet does is blend food lmao, YOU put the ingredients in, I don't see how that could be a gimmick.Therealobi1 wrote: »If we plan out what we eat we can get the nutrients we need by eating food. You don't need to juice, you don't need anything sold by a coach or any other gimmick out there
Nutribullet is not the issue. It's this idea that people have about juicing and it's the way to kick start weightloss.
Like I said, it is not necessary. It is just beneficial. Some people prefer to juice their fruits & veggies because you can absorb more nutrients when it is already in a liquid state. People here were saying "does nothing" which is absolutely not true. Veggies and fruits provide a lot of nutrients and minerals! And that's basically what a juice cleanse is lol
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The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods0
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Therealobi1 wrote: »The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods
Actually, it's just a little better than eating it whole because you can absorb more of the nutrients than when it's in its solid state & also, when you juice the foods you can eat more in a single sitting. So it'd be easier to eat 1 Apple 3 cups of kale 1 banana & 2 cups of water in one drink than just to eat all of those foods whole at once.. Just has to do with convenience on that part.0 -
No, no it's not better ...you cannot absorb more because it's in juice format from the same amount of ingredients...and why would you..kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods
Actually, it's just a little better than eating it whole because you can absorb more of the nutrients than when it's in its solid state & also, when you juice the foods you can eat more in a single sitting. So it'd be easier to eat 1 Apple 3 cups of kale 1 banana & 2 cups of water in one drink than just to eat all of those foods whole at once.. Just has to do with convenience on that part.
The body can only use so much protein, vitamins, minerals and the rest is excreted ...balance your diet with real food and you can meet nutritional targets easily
Juice if you prefer drinking your calories
But there are no magical qualities in liquefying food and for many that 250 calorie hit of juice would be far less satisfying than if taken as real food, chewed and digested
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Also the fact that hunger signals take a while to reach the brain...slowing done the process by chewing over gulping down in a juice format can actually aid the weight loss process
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kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods
Actually, it's just a little better than eating it whole because you can absorb more of the nutrients than when it's in its solid state & also, when you juice the foods you can eat more in a single sitting. So it'd be easier to eat 1 Apple 3 cups of kale 1 banana & 2 cups of water in one drink than just to eat all of those foods whole at once.. Just has to do with convenience on that part.
honestly your first line sounds like something the nutribullet sales person might have said.
i think if people like to juice then juice but again dont expect anything special to happen.
i cant see where convenience comes into it as you have to blend it and then wash out the blender. i could have just eaten the apple and the banana and wash it down with the water.0 -
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/19/juicing-benefits.aspx
No, no it's not better ...you cannot absorb more because it's in juice format from the same amount of ingredients...and why would you..kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods
Actually, it's just a little better than eating it whole because you can absorb more of the nutrients than when it's in its solid state & also, when you juice the foods you can eat more in a single sitting. So it'd be easier to eat 1 Apple 3 cups of kale 1 banana & 2 cups of water in one drink than just to eat all of those foods whole at once.. Just has to do with convenience on that part.
The body can only use so much protein, vitamins, minerals and the rest is excreted ...balance your diet with real food and you can meet nutritional targets easily
Juice if you prefer drinking your calories
But there are no magical qualities in liquefying food and for many that 250 calorie hit of juice would be far less satisfying than if taken as real food, chewed and digested0 -
Also the fact that hunger signals take a while to reach the brain...slowing done the process by chewing over gulping down in a juice format can actually aid the weight loss process
http://www.fnri.dost.gov.ph/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=5850 -
You're kidding me with those right?
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You know it doesn't matter...if you like absorbing your nutrients in liquid format over actually chewing your food...go wild...just be careful of the potential increase in calories and all is well0
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kimmiebrito wrote: »
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/19/juicing-benefits.aspx
No, no it's not better ...you cannot absorb more because it's in juice format from the same amount of ingredients...and why would you..kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »The world cleanse is the problem. It fools people into thinking something special is happening when it's not. People can juice if they like but they are no better off than someone who eats the fruit whole. Also it's not something everyone can sustain for long periods
Actually, it's just a little better than eating it whole because you can absorb more of the nutrients than when it's in its solid state & also, when you juice the foods you can eat more in a single sitting. So it'd be easier to eat 1 Apple 3 cups of kale 1 banana & 2 cups of water in one drink than just to eat all of those foods whole at once.. Just has to do with convenience on that part.
The body can only use so much protein, vitamins, minerals and the rest is excreted ...balance your diet with real food and you can meet nutritional targets easily
Juice if you prefer drinking your calories
But there are no magical qualities in liquefying food and for many that 250 calorie hit of juice would be far less satisfying than if taken as real food, chewed and digested
Mercola link. Anyone got bingo yet?
I don't know about juice but you've definitely been drinking the coolaid.0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »Fat sick & nearly dead
Food inc
Supersize me
Forks over knives
The gerson miracle
You guys need to stop being ignorant, food fuels our body.
You put *kitten* into it you get *kitten* in return
You overload your micronutrients -- it'll work wonders.
That's why you hear of so many people ridding of their diabetes by changing the way they eat.
And it's not a coincidence that some people who live under the same household, though not related, develop diabetes.
Your diet is crucial to how your body functions.
You cannot overload your micronutrients. Any excess you just pee out. And those "documentaries" are pretty much just advertisements as was said.0 -
like a broken record. "companies who want your money"? sigh. nevermind. I guess I'll just ask Beyoncé later this week.
Nooo did nobody notice that she was going to ask Beyoncé later this week..0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »kimmiebrito wrote: »AND I personally know two people who cured their diabetes using herbalife & the nutribullet. They are both over 40 and never looked better. I know even more people without any diseases who have lost weight using these plans as well.
Point 1: Type 2 diabetes can be caused by obesity. Lose the weight and it can correct itself. Has nothing to do with Herbalife or Nutribullet. Those are just tools to help people lose weight.
Point 2: Unless you have scientific proof of these people being cured of diseases from doing cleanses, I'm going to have to say no. And pretty much everyone else here will as well.
Point 3: Your diet and how you eat is crucial to your health. No one is disagreeing with that! But by your logic, using a cleanse of putting random ingrediants into your body that have little to no nutrtional value and nothing else for however long means what? Anybody? Anybody? Buller? Yeah, you're putting *kitten* into you body, so you'll be getting *kitten* out of it. Literally.
1) "Tools to help people lose weight" is exactly what I meant. If you saw the original post, I was directing it at someone who said juicing has NO benefits whatsoever.
2)The documentaries I provided have been backed up by A LOT of scientific proof. Watch them.
3) Random ingredients with no nutritional value? Many fruits and vegetables are VERY high in micronutrients, IMO.
1. Diabetes cannot be cured. In diabetes II, the symptoms can be reversed but if they don't sustain their healthy weight/fitness for the rest of their life, it will come back. So NO, the nutribullet and herbalife did not cure their disease, it enabled them to lose weight to help their blood glucose return to normal. If you want more information on Diabetes, check out this link
2. Those documentaries cherry pick science all the time. The bigger question is, have you validated the sources of information or did you take it at hand. Because the fitness industry (you know, the actual scientist) have done reviews on pretty much all of the documentaries and talk about how bad they are. For example, Sugar - the bitter truth
3. We all understand the benefits of having a diet high in macro and micronutrients. But here is the funny thing, once your body gets it's daily requirements, it doesnt' get benefits from additional micros. In fact, you just pee it out. If you actually stay around for awhile, you will notice how we promote a diet with a variety of foods to maximize nutrient intake.0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »kimmiebrito wrote: »AND I personally know two people who cured their diabetes using herbalife & the nutribullet. They are both over 40 and never looked better. I know even more people without any diseases who have lost weight using these plans as well.
Point 1: Type 2 diabetes can be caused by obesity. Lose the weight and it can correct itself. Has nothing to do with Herbalife or Nutribullet. Those are just tools to help people lose weight.
Point 2: Unless you have scientific proof of these people being cured of diseases from doing cleanses, I'm going to have to say no. And pretty much everyone else here will as well.
Point 3: Your diet and how you eat is crucial to your health. No one is disagreeing with that! But by your logic, using a cleanse of putting random ingrediants into your body that have little to no nutrtional value and nothing else for however long means what? Anybody? Anybody? Buller? Yeah, you're putting *kitten* into you body, so you'll be getting *kitten* out of it. Literally.
1) "Tools to help people lose weight" is exactly what I meant. If you saw the original post, I was directing it at someone who said juicing has NO benefits whatsoever.
2)The documentaries I provided have been backed up by A LOT of scientific proof. Watch them.
3) Random ingredients with no nutritional value? Many fruits and vegetables are VERY high in micronutrients, IMO.
1. Diabetes cannot be cured. In diabetes II, the symptoms can be reversed but if they don't sustain their healthy weight/fitness for the rest of their life, it will come back. So NO, the nutribullet and herbalife did not cure their disease, it enabled them to lose weight to help their blood glucose return to normal. If you want more information on Diabetes, check out this link
2. Those documentaries cherry pick science all the time. The bigger question is, have you validated the sources of information or did you take it at hand. Because the fitness industry (you know, the actual scientist) have done reviews on pretty much all of the documentaries and talk about how bad they are. For example, Sugar - the bitter truth
3. We all understand the benefits of having a diet high in macro and micronutrients. But here is the funny thing, once your body gets it's daily requirements, it doesnt' get benefits from additional micros. In fact, you just pee it out. If you actually stay around for awhile, you will notice how we promote a diet with a variety of foods to maximize nutrient intake.
Nailed it!0 -
kimmiebrito wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »kimmiebrito wrote: »
I just said "you can eat them whole" lol, and All a nutribullet does is blend food lmao, YOU put the ingredients in, I don't see how that could be a gimmick.Therealobi1 wrote: »If we plan out what we eat we can get the nutrients we need by eating food. You don't need to juice, you don't need anything sold by a coach or any other gimmick out there
Nutribullet is not the issue. It's this idea that people have about juicing and it's the way to kick start weightloss.
Some people prefer to juice their fruits & veggies because you can absorb more nutrients when it is already in a liquid state.
There's no evidence of that. That Joe whatever-his-name-is claims it does not make it so.
"there's no sound scientific evidence that extracted juices are healthier than the juice you get by eating the fruit or vegetable itself." http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/juicing/faq-20058020People here were saying "does nothing" which is absolutely not true. Veggies and fruits provide a lot of nutrients and minerals! And that's basically what a juice cleanse is lol
I don't believe the discussion was about "juice cleanses." The Master Cleanse that Beyonce did was specifically referenced by OP, and that's not a juice cleanse.
Moreover, there's nothing about juicing vegetables (or fruits) that makes them more nutritious or more beneficial. Quite the opposite. The WHO recommends limiting fruit juices and treating them as added sugar. Juicing all your fruits and vegetables eliminates healthful fiber. The main reason some are so ridiculously into juicing is because they don't actually eat vegetables in a normal manner, as IMO people should.
The "cleanse" thing -- that your body needs a break from digestion and will benefit from intaking nothing but juice -- is ridiculous. It won't hurt you to fast for a day or two, with or without juice, but there's no special benefit either and going longer than that, especially the lengthy times that are often recommended for juice fasts, with no protein, fiber, fat, is a bad idea. It's also not going to lead to any sustainable weight loss, as the loss is a result of super low calories and will come back on when you start eating normally again.
But for the purpose of this thread, the key point is that it's not "cleansing" you.
Someone must have done a psychological study on why people buy into the "cleansing" thing. THAT could make for an interesting documentary, maybe.0
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