Extremely low metabolism
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Even if you have a low metabolism, you still have an issue to deal with. Yes, get it checked out. I assume you're having checkups or at the doctor often enough that he'd have caught something. If not, get a check-up.
Yes, you are right. If I do have some type of metabolic disorder, I will have to accept lifestyle adjustments, just like someone who is diabetic. Thank you for the resource.editorgrrl wrote: »I guess I'm struggling with the aging process and anger at my body for betraying me both for not performing as it used to and for being injured.
Regarding the thyroid, my doc did one test, but I have a friend who has similar issues who has recommended that there are other tests I could get.
I have Hashimoto's (autoimmune thyroid disease). Meds (in my case, Synthroid and Cytomel) reduce the fatigue so I can be more active. But I still kept gaining until I learned to log everything I eat & drink accurately & honestly. Logging works.
MFP has a menopause group: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/506-near-or-post-menopausal-group
But low metabolism or no low metabolism, you still have the same set of calories in and out to deal with.
You might consider weighing your food. Like the bacon. Slap it on a scale and see what it weighs. It may weigh more than the package or MFP shows for calories. It may not. I know my hot dogs always out weighing exactly, to the gram, what they say they'll weigh. I don't eat bacon and don't know about that. But if you begin weighing, you will know. And I can tell you (as will most people on MFP) that when you start weighing, you find out that the packages cannot be trusted. What they say a serving weighs isn't what a serving usually weighs. Lots of stuff ends up having more calories than you'd have thought.
You get a better estimate on calories when you weigh. But, it is a pain in the patootie and feels too obsessive for some people. If that's the case, then just drop your calories by 100 every two weeks until you see the scale go down. That works, too. Even if your estimates say you're eating 1100 and you're really eating, say 1375, who cares. Weight loss is the goal and weight loss is accomplished.
I don't think you're a whiner or a failure! This weight-losing stuff isn't easy!! I have had a heck of a time. I could write an essay.
But it's doable!
I will not claim that you can't have a slow metabolism or that you're stupid or whatever. No way, Jose. You could have a slow metabolism. It really does slow as we age!
You're just trying and having trouble. Lots of us have been there.
Hang in there. Keep trying new things. Don't quit. You'll get there if you keep trying.
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Op, just in case you missed it regarding your nails, try to eat more fats. Fats regulate hormones to include the absorption of nutrients which affect nails, hair and skin.
And dont stress the temp thing. My wife is naturally low (in the 97s). Its more genetics than anything.0 -
When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.0 -
When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of thyroid tests, since OP has said her has been tested and her mind is at ease on that front, hmmm?-1 -
When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of thyroid tests, since OP has said her has been tested and her mind is at ease on that front, hmmm?
Not entirely, if you've been following this thread. I had only the basic test done, the TSH, not the others.
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When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of thyroid tests, since OP has said her has been tested and her mind is at ease on that front, hmmm?
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of derailing the thread, since OP has demonstrated the capacity to weed out what matters to her, hmmm?
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rosebette i ask again
Why dont you do a VO2 max test?
They are not expensive and you know pretty accurate what you really burn.0 -
When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of thyroid tests, since OP has said her has been tested and her mind is at ease on that front, hmmm?
Not entirely, if you've been following this thread. I had only the basic test done, the TSH, not the others.
I've been following the entire thread. This is one of the few posts I've actually seen you respond to, finally. You hadn't answered a lot of questions, previously, so I'd wondered if you were reading the thread.0 -
Although TSH can sometimes pick up a problem, it cannot exclude one. If you think you have a problem, ask the doctor to do the thyroid panel.
When you get a thyroid panel done, the technician can easily conduct all the tests from one sample (TSH, TT4, FT4, TT3, FT3, RT3), but only reports what the doc ordered. Make sure you get all of these and keep your own records.
While the technician *can* easily conduct all the tests from one sample, running assays and handing out results for unordered tests violates nearly every single hospital's or laboratory's policy. Unless you are said technician or otherwise have access to an immunoanalyzer, you will probably have to persuade your doctor to order the full panel for you.
With the device driven assays on the market, most of these results are run with one sample with a full panel output, unless the lab is still using kits. Not suggesting that anyone surpasses their physician, but simply requesting this of your HCP.
Perhaps stop derailing the thread with your nonstop talk of thyroid tests, since OP has said her has been tested and her mind is at ease on that front, hmmm?
Not entirely, if you've been following this thread. I had only the basic test done, the TSH, not the others.
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rosebette i ask again
Why dont you do a VO2 max test?
They are not expensive and you know pretty accurate what you really burn.
Because this is MFP. People here don't have simple problems, they only have problems that take years of medical sleuthing to figure out. Entire textbooks are written about the problems that only afflict MFPers, one at a time, and never the same way twice.
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I definitely plan on asking the doctor to do a more thorough panel at my next visit.0
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I definitely plan on asking the doctor to do a more thorough panel at my next visit.
Excellent - definitely worth eliminating the possibility. The best discussions with physicians start with data, so if you bring along your MFP diary and any other data this will help them with a proper diagnosis. Best regards.
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Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?0 -
No you can do it in a lot of places even fitness centers
Look it up for were you live...at the internet.
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you will get a pretty accurate number...( it is never 100%) but pretty damm close.0
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Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.0 -
Wow, a whole other set of equipment to buy. My husband already says my Fitbit HR is just feeding an obsession with statistics!0
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He had bought me one of those for Christmas but I didn't want to have to wear something with a chest strap all day so I returned it because I really wanted the Fitbit HR which hadn't come out yet. Maybe I should have kept it?0
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Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...0 -
He had bought me one of those for Christmas but I didn't want to have to wear something with a chest strap all day so I returned it because I really wanted the Fitbit HR which hadn't come out yet. Maybe I should have kept it?
I love my Fitbit Charge HR. I lost the weight (and have kept it off) by learning to log everything I eat & drink accurately and honestly. Logging works—and it only costs the price of a digital kitchen scale.0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.
Oh I know how HRMs work, I've read and reposted that particular blog on many occasions what I don't understand is how a polar HRM with chest strap measures metabolic rate ...surely it just measures calorie expenditure during steady state cardio?
To measure whether there is an issue with her metabolic rate, surely the OP would require an indirect calorimetry test?
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Actually that's one of the issues I have with the 24 hour HRMs ...they are, IMHO, less accurate than a basic version like the zip or one to track step based activity overlayed with a chest strap HRM for steady state cardio plus estimate of mets for other style workouts
Because if the formula that underpin HR to calorie burn is only for steady state cardio what on earth is the point of 24 hour tracking of hr? Hr increases with stress, heat, weight training, HIIT etc ..this does not equate to the same calorie burn as a steady run or row or cycle0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.
Oh I know how HRMs work, I've read and reposted that particular blog on many occasions what I don't understand is how a polar HRM with chest strap measures metabolic rate ...surely it just measures calorie expenditure during steady state cardio?
To measure whether there is an issue with her metabolic rate, surely the OP would require an indirect calorimetry test?
What have I missed?
The only element I wanted to highlight was the VO2max test. Less than 10% error in the HRM algorithm compared to the full diagnostic evaluation.0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.
Oh I know how HRMs work, I've read and reposted that particular blog on many occasions what I don't understand is how a polar HRM with chest strap measures metabolic rate ...surely it just measures calorie expenditure during steady state cardio?
To measure whether there is an issue with her metabolic rate, surely the OP would require an indirect calorimetry test?
What have I missed?
The only element I wanted to highlight was the VO2max test. Less than 10% error in the HRM algorithm compared to the full diagnostic evaluation.
Yes HRMs for steady state cardio are pretty accurate as a calorie guide
But she wants to check whether her metabolic rate is abnormal...OP you need indirect calorimetry testing0 -
Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.
Oh I know how HRMs work, I've read and reposted that particular blog on many occasions what I don't understand is how a polar HRM with chest strap measures metabolic rate ...surely it just measures calorie expenditure during steady state cardio?
To measure whether there is an issue with her metabolic rate, surely the OP would require an indirect calorimetry test?
What have I missed?
The only element I wanted to highlight was the VO2max test. Less than 10% error in the HRM algorithm compared to the full diagnostic evaluation.
Because this is MFP, will just add the standard caveat - "under conditions of steady state cardio where effort is below lactate threshold".
And lactate threshold as a percentage of VO2max is a function of physical fitness - so the worse shape you're in, the smaller the range where correlations work.
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Ok asked 3 times now and never got an answer. While OP answers others.
Get the feeling i get ignored or OP dont want to know her real numbers apparently.....
good luck OP think you have to deal with it.
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I've gotten busy with end of summer semester stuff and just haven't been answering everyone. I get on the forums when I have some downtime, but just got really busy. Would I have to go to a special clinic to get this VO2 Max test? Would my doctor have to approve it, or do I just go someplace and get one?
If you have a smartphone and a chest Heart Rate Monitor (like the Polar H7) this is part of their app.
Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
http://www.polar.com/us-en/support/Maximum_oxygen_uptake__VO2max
Outstanding summary:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Azdak/view/the-real-facts-about-hrms-and-calories-what-you-need-to-know-before-purchasing-an-hrm-or-using-one-21472
There's a small degree of error in the HRM algorithm, but for the average user very sufficient.
Oh I know how HRMs work, I've read and reposted that particular blog on many occasions what I don't understand is how a polar HRM with chest strap measures metabolic rate ...surely it just measures calorie expenditure during steady state cardio?
To measure whether there is an issue with her metabolic rate, surely the OP would require an indirect calorimetry test?
What have I missed?
The only element I wanted to highlight was the VO2max test. Less than 10% error in the HRM algorithm compared to the full diagnostic evaluation.
Yes HRMs for steady state cardio are pretty accurate as a calorie guide
But she wants to check whether her metabolic rate is abnormal...OP you need indirect calorimetry testing
Yes, agreed.
A RMR test would be better and they can be fairly inexpensive (I had one done a few years ago and it cost £60) if she is concerned about her metabolic rate rather than a measure of her cardiovascular fitness.
The Polar "Own Index" fitness test is pretty cool though - instead of submaximal test like running your *kitten* off for a couple of kms what you do is relax for 5 minutes or so and it estimates your VO2 Max based on your heart rate variability and a few other factors. It is useful for tracking an improvement over time (I think Polar say they do not guarantee the accuracy of the actual reading) to see how your fitness is improving. I'm not sure this is really what the OP is looking for though.
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Can you explain how this works to test metabolism?
The only test I know of is 12 hours after fasting with a hood for 10 mins to measure metabolic rate
A HRM and an app? Intrigued...
there's a shed full of methods to estimate VO2max from heart rate and defined activity http://www.brianmac.co.uk/vo2max.htm
this would estimate aerobic fitness and probably extrapolate to a resting rate, but the indirect calorimetry method would be more direct and probably more accurate.
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