Keto--what are your thoughts?
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The point is that in ketosis, there is no such thing as hunger or cravings. That's why in ketosis you don't need to count calories - you are going to eat less.
Okay....but not everyone will eat less just because they are on keto.
But if you do automatically eat less, it just means you are in the required calorie deficit to lose weight, which is 100% necessary fro weight loss.
True, but for me the main benefit is the control over insulin response to glucose. The weightloss is really secondary. I had to heal my metabolism.
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I don't know if I could do ketosis. It was awful when I did it involuntarily. I like my moderately low carb diet. I'd rather get my carbs from dairy, beans, starchy vegetables and fruit, (and sweetened chocolate), than from eating a lot of grain.0
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stevencloser wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The point is that in ketosis, there is no such thing as hunger or cravings. That's why in ketosis you don't need to count calories - you are going to eat less.
This is not true for everyone, that they eat less on keto. Some people also manage to maintain or gain on keto -- it's supposed to be a lifestyle, not a diet, after all.
I think keto works great for some people. Not everyone struggles with hunger (at least not physical hunger) or cravings, though, or wants their appetite to go away. And in that I've seen people fail on keto, it doesn't work for everyone.
I love fat and protein (and veggies cooked in fat), so I am pretty sure that after an adjustment period I could overeat on keto as easily as with any other eating style. I also believe that I feel better eating a more balanced diet with a good mix of less processed carbs (and some carb and fat based treats, sure), so that works for me.
I think people who enjoy keto should do what works for them and those who want to try it should. I only ever comment when people insist it works for everyone or that it's a superior approach in general or that it means that calories don't matter.
Off course you can gain on keto... Actually, I'm in bulk phase.
And I've lose the most part of my fat on a standard hypocaloric diet (14kg).
That's why I know how I felt during calories restriction during a high carb diet and during a high fat diet. It is quite simpler to limit food intake if you don't feel hungry.
Then there are other things to consider... But the point is simple: you cannot choose keto if you enjoy eating foods that are not compatible with it.
Any food is compatible with keto in the right quantity.
No not really, because of the strict upper limit on carbs, choosing to eat one thing that's higher in carbs would necessarily come at the detriment of stuff like veggies. Unless you're gonna call "half a slice of pizza and the rest of your day has to be entirely meat and fats so you're not over your carbs" compatible.
Most people can stay in ketosis somewhere in the range of under 50-100 grams depending on activity levels. Sedentary under 50 and higher for more active. The amount of a carb based 'treat' food needed for a fix is pretty small when you are not regularly eating starch and sugar in quantity. In the past I ate huge portions, so this is a noticeable change in my habits.
It is kind of alien to me how you are elevating vegetables nutritionally over fats and proteins. Fats an proteins are the essential macronutrients and contain all the micronutrients required. You can build a nutritional diet with minimal carbohydrates.
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OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »OneHundredToLose wrote: »Then there are other things to consider... But the point is simple: you cannot choose keto if you enjoy eating foods that are not compatible with it.
That's definitely not true. I did keto for 4 months and lost 30lbs, and many of the food items I had to cut back on were foods I enjoy. The only reason I stopped keto was because it wasn't economically viable for me. Willpower is...well...powerful. You can certainly sustain keto while restraining from eating foods that are not compatible with it.
Again, you are right. Is better to say: "you cannot choose keto if you are not prepared to cut off certain type of food".
(Also I like pizza, but the advantages of being in ketosis are for me greater than the satisfaction I get from food).
I'd absolutely agree with that. I had a few friends who tried keto and thought it was like any other diet where you can have slip days...the problem is that if you slip out of ketosis, it's a long hill back, not quite as easy as just starting over the next day and being right as rain.
It's actually not much of a deal at all, really.
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It takes a 24 hours in my case but it is not like I ate 100 grams of carbs that knocked me out of nutritional ketosis.
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In fact veggies are very low in NET carbs... I ate more veggies now in keto as before.
They are low, but not that low.
I ran a day and was told it was fine for keto (at 38 net grams), but then I hear others saying you need to aim for under 30 or even 20, so who knows.
Just idle curiosity on my part.
I think there's nothing wrong with keto and understand that many who do it eat a good many non starchy vegetables and so I'm sure it can be a healthy way of eating. I will say that I've read lots of stuff on nutrition and have seen no reason to doubt that vegetables are important to nutrition and that while getting adequate protein (including from fish and other meats if you have no ethical problems with it) and healthy fats is important that on the whole having a largely plant-based diet is probably good for health.0 -
juliemom72 wrote: »I haven't done Keto myself, but when my daughter was 6 y.o, she had epilepsy and we put her in a study for the Modified Atkins Diet that would induce Ketosis. At the time, she was taking 11 pills for her illness. It was incredibly difficult to change my mindset that (most) fruits = bad and cream and butter and fat = good, but it somehow worked for her! She was in ketosis for 2.5 years, never saw another seizure after week 7, weaned off all medication, weaned off ketosis and Atkins. This was 4 years ago and she is still seizure free. As an aside, because this was under dr supervision, her blood work was done regularily. Her cholesterol actually went down from baseline after the 2 month mark, and although she wasn't overweight, she became a bit leaner.
Thanks for sharing your nutritional ketosis for medical reasons story. I read a lot of these case studies but it is good to hear it from a proud parent.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »In fact veggies are very low in NET carbs... I ate more veggies now in keto as before.
They are low, but not that low.
I ran a day and was told it was fine for keto (at 38 net grams), but then I hear others saying you need to aim for under 30 or even 20, so who knows.
Just idle curiosity on my part.
I think there's nothing wrong with keto and understand that many who do it eat a good many non starchy vegetables and so I'm sure it can be a healthy way of eating. I will say that I've read lots of stuff on nutrition and have seen no reason to doubt that vegetables are important to nutrition and that while getting adequate protein (including from fish and other meats if you have no ethical problems with it) and healthy fats is important that on the whole having a largely plant-based diet is probably good for health.
They can be that low. I still eat waaaay more veggies than my husband but his rice, bread, noodles, croissant, and mashed potatoes ensure his carbs are almost 10 times what mine are at. He also eats more fruit than me, but I've never eaten much fruit. I don't eat veggies at breakfast anymore so that is a change from my old eating habits, but lunch and dinner usually has veggies, unless I'm not in the mood for them.
I tend to keep my carbs at about 30g but that's because i feel very good there and because I am pretty sedentary beyond a few walks each week. Pretty much everybody will go into ketosis at less than 50g of carbs per day. Very active people will be in ketosis at 150g of carbs per day if they time their carbs correctly (near their activity). I'm too inactive for that level of carbs.0 -
Keto is not for the masses and does not happen with a Standard American Diet (SAD). I tried very hard to go Keto but after two months realized it was not going to happen because I seemed to be addicted to carbs. Cold Turkey I went off all carbs 50 grams or more and in 30 days my pain was well managed which was my only goal. That was nearly a year ago and the pain is still managed well by diet.
I do not think carbs are evil but I know for some reason they became toxic to my body so carbs are evil in the eyes of my body. It will take great effort to shun carbs today.
While I eat Low Carb High Fat for pain control this way of eating has other plus and makes my body and mind more happy than it has been in 30 years.0 -
From Mark's Daily Apple: While I believe we are not meant to run primarily on carbohydrate energy, I do believe we depend on the nutrients offered by low carb vegetables and even some low glycemic fruits. A diet of 20 carbohydrate grams simply can’t allow for the plentiful intake of nutrient-rich vegetables.
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-ketosis/#ixzz3kEl6jVj9
And Dr Phinney has been quoted repeatedly when someone who consumes higher then 50 grams of carbs is out nutritional ketosis and it takes a minimum of 7 to 14 days to recover. He exercises regularly and has been in nutritional ketosis for 10 plus years. It seems many who think they understand the diet and the needed grams of carbs do not understand the parameters.
Maybe it is the way people measure their current state and think it is a 'switch' or letting the body 'genetically unfold'. I could be getting the genetic part wrong though. . .This is another Sisson quote which I do not understand the rationale.0 -
If you sit down and try to figure out getting 100% of RDI of nutrients it's far from easy on any diet. Best chance is eating different things every day. Or just take the easy way and use a supplement or supplemented protein shake.
Ye olde science says :-
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »And Dr Phinney has been quoted repeatedly when someone who consumes higher then 50 grams of carbs is out nutritional ketosis and it takes a minimum of 7 to 14 days to recover. He exercises regularly and has been in nutritional ketosis for 10 plus years. It seems many who think they understand the diet and the needed grams of carbs do not understand the parameters.
If he said that he's wrong. All that's necessary for ketosis is the absence of glucose and depleted liver glycogen. It's normal to go in and out of ketosis; it's certainly not an ordeal you need to recover from. The liver can only hold a limited amount of glycogen -- you would die in the meantime if it took 7 to 14 days to enter ketosis.
"As most of you reading this know, if one restricts carbohydrate intake, typically to less than about 20-50 gm/day (dependent on timing and carbohydrate composition), and maintains modest but not high protein intake (because protein is gluconeogenic – i.e., protein in excess will be converted to glycogen by the liver), one can induce a state referred to as “nutritional ketosis”"
Ketosis – advantaged or misunderstood state? (Part I)
Peter Attia put together a series of blog posts on Ketosis if anyone is interested the science.
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kplacko0919 wrote: »When doing keto, you do not count calories. You obviously don't want to go crazy and eat thousands of calories, but by counting carbs, fat, and protein, it works itself out for the most part.
Who told you that?! CICO still applies. Keto is not magic - energy in still needs to be less than calories expelled to lose weight, no matter what your macros look like!
The misconception that calories dont need to be counted on keto likely comes from the satiating potential of ketones, which causes many to feel fuller sooner, but this is dependant on how in tune you are with your hunger signals - Many of us who have struggled with weight-gain may find their ability to listen to the signal which tells us we have eaten enoug are somewhat broken. Also, as fat makes up the highest proportion of your calories on a keto diet and fat is extremely energy heavy - 9 calories per gram of fat as opposed to 4 calories per gram of carbs or protein), it is easy for calories to creep up quickly with these foods even with small portions. Therefor it is sensible to count calories as you would for any woe if your goals are weight-loss.
Those who have a lot of weight to lose, or have just started on the keto diet, may find they can lose weight w/o calorie counting, however the closer you get to your goal weight and after being keto for a while, counting your calories and carbs will be your best bet.
For me, Keto just feels right - like the way we were meant to eat. My body works best in keto. After 3 months of strict keto, calorie-restriction and IFing with heavy lifting 5-6x a week, and losing 30lbs of almost pure fat, i started implementing refeeds 1x a week to refill muscle glycogen for the week ahead's workouts and to raise Leptin hormone. Im finding this all extremely effective for fat-loss & muscle-gain (ie body recomposition). My physique is on its way to almost amazonian, mostly thanks to lifting in keto.
My mood, energy, memory & mental clarity are all improved - in fact, i feel a little more intelligent in ketosis lol, as i can think so much more clearly. You cant beat that!
IFing (ie. Intermittent Fasting) is so easy in keto - they go hand in hand. Another tool you can add to your weight-loss efforts with awesome results (not just fat loss.. a truckload of health benefits come from IFing, including longevity.. you cant get a better 'side-effect' to a weight-loss diet than a longer life!). I do 16/8 IFing, which is fasting for 16 hrs with an 8 hour eating window (for me that's a protein shake at 10pm after my late workout & just before bed, then fast all night during sleep hours, fast through breakfast, fast through lunch, and then i can eat if im hungry from 2pm til 10pm again, and then repeat each day. If i have a hungry day, breaking my fast at 2pm means i just miss breakfast and get a slightly late lunch. Often i just fast through til dinner though (6pm) b/c i dont feel the need to eat: I have 1 big, gorgeous keto meal (plus keto dessert if i feel like it!) then i'll workout around 8pm, take my protein shake (sometimes with double cream! Mmmmm!) straight afterwards (9.30-10pm) and then to bed, and IF again until dinner the next day.... So most days my IF looks more like 20/4. And the best thing is usually i dont even feel hungry during my fasts - i could easily go longer but my DH likes me to eat a proper family dinner (keto) with him and our son, so i do it to keep the peace & encourage my boy to eat. When i ate more carbs i couldnt miss breakfast without feeling weak, shaky, moody, cold and ravenous! Its definitely preferable to get yourself keto-adapted 1st before attempting IF, but not essential.
Hope this helped somewhat. Im always around if anyone has any Qs or need some help regards Keto and/or IF. I have almost every book going on these topics and have researched heavily this past 6 months.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »mrsroddy1228 wrote: »who has done keto and what are your thoughts on it??
@mrsroddy1228 I have been in nutritional ketosis for 11 months now. I did it for pain manage and it worked because in 30 days my pain was down from an estimated 7-8 to 2-3. In 6 months my 40 years of IBS was cured. At 200 pounds I can lose about 3 pounds a month on 2600 calories and I do stop after each 10-15 pound loss and maintain on 3000 calories to let the body/mind adjust to my new lower weight.
Keto did not start out well for me because my cravings for carbs was stronger than my will to live but once I left carbs cold turkey in two weeks the hellish withdrawal issues started fading very fast.
Keto will not be adopted or even understood by the masses. I had to get my will to live greater than my will to die before I could even break my carb addiction of 40 years.
There is a lot of helpful info on MFP as how others successfully do Keto long term. With the help of Google I have read a lot of research on the pros and cons of Keto eating lifestyle. Best of success with what ever plan you go with.
Apparently not, you're still here.0 -
@CoconuttyMummy
As its very difficult to lose on fat, how did you come to this determination? Did you dexa before and after?
Also, regarding IF, do you have any studies that support longer lifespan? Most of the studies on IF don't so much benefit outside of personal diet preference and a method that can help control calories.0 -
These were the first three articles I found on IF and longevity. There's not a not on humans yet (I'm guessing because the test subjects would outlive the researchers).
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v457/n7230/full/nature07583.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC156352/
http://openwritings.net/sites/default/files/excerpt/files/J. Nutr.-1946-Carlson-363-75.pdf0 -
This diet sounds soooooooo hard and not quick and convenient0
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This diet sounds soooooooo hard and not quick and convenient
Like any diet, I think it depends on how you approach it. My meals today were as easy as it gets:
-2 eggs, coffee with coconut cream and a protein powder
-another coffee
-leftover hamburger patty, a babybel cheese, a cucumber
-spinach and feta chicken sausage and broccoli in cheese sauce
-nuts and coconut for a snack
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The point is that in ketosis, there is no such thing as hunger or cravings. That's why in ketosis you don't need to count calories - you are going to eat less.
This is not true for everyone, that they eat less on keto. Some people also manage to maintain or gain on keto -- it's supposed to be a lifestyle, not a diet, after all.
I think keto works great for some people. Not everyone struggles with hunger (at least not physical hunger) or cravings, though, or wants their appetite to go away. And in that I've seen people fail on keto, it doesn't work for everyone.
I love fat and protein (and veggies cooked in fat), so I am pretty sure that after an adjustment period I could overeat on keto as easily as with any other eating style. I also believe that I feel better eating a more balanced diet with a good mix of less processed carbs (and some carb and fat based treats, sure), so that works for me.
I think people who enjoy keto should do what works for them and those who want to try it should. I only ever comment when people insist it works for everyone or that it's a superior approach in general or that it means that calories don't matter.
Off course you can gain on keto... Actually, I'm in bulk phase.
And I've lose the most part of my fat on a standard hypocaloric diet (14kg).
That's why I know how I felt during calories restriction during a high carb diet and during a high fat diet. It is quite simpler to limit food intake if you don't feel hungry.
Then there are other things to consider... But the point is simple: you cannot choose keto if you enjoy eating foods that are not compatible with it.
Any food is compatible with keto in the right quantity.
No not really, because of the strict upper limit on carbs, choosing to eat one thing that's higher in carbs would necessarily come at the detriment of stuff like veggies. Unless you're gonna call "half a slice of pizza and the rest of your day has to be entirely meat and fats so you're not over your carbs" compatible.
Most people can stay in ketosis somewhere in the range of under 50-100 grams depending on activity levels. Sedentary under 50 and higher for more active. The amount of a carb based 'treat' food needed for a fix is pretty small when you are not regularly eating starch and sugar in quantity. In the past I ate huge portions, so this is a noticeable change in my habits.
It is kind of alien to me how you are elevating vegetables nutritionally over fats and proteins. Fats an proteins are the essential macronutrients and contain all the micronutrients required. You can build a nutritional diet with minimal carbohydrates.
Citation needed on those.
Really?, why?
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kplacko0919 wrote: »No, I'm not better off counting calories. I've done that for years and it has done nothing for me I have lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks doing only carb fat and protein counting. It is not about the calories even though that's what's burnt into your brain. What works for one person isn't going to work for the other and calorie counting does not work for me. thanks though
At the risk of sounding mean, 12 pounds in 2 weeks would pretty much be water weight if you cut carbs low enough to get into ketosis. FAT loss is all about the calorie deficit, and if you're counting fat, protein, and carbs, you're still counting calories, that's essentially a semantic argument, like saying I can't run 3.1 miles, but have no problem running 5 kilometers. Same exact measurement, different unit.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The point is that in ketosis, there is no such thing as hunger or cravings. That's why in ketosis you don't need to count calories - you are going to eat less.
This is not true for everyone, that they eat less on keto. Some people also manage to maintain or gain on keto -- it's supposed to be a lifestyle, not a diet, after all.
I think keto works great for some people. Not everyone struggles with hunger (at least not physical hunger) or cravings, though, or wants their appetite to go away. And in that I've seen people fail on keto, it doesn't work for everyone.
I love fat and protein (and veggies cooked in fat), so I am pretty sure that after an adjustment period I could overeat on keto as easily as with any other eating style. I also believe that I feel better eating a more balanced diet with a good mix of less processed carbs (and some carb and fat based treats, sure), so that works for me.
I think people who enjoy keto should do what works for them and those who want to try it should. I only ever comment when people insist it works for everyone or that it's a superior approach in general or that it means that calories don't matter.
Off course you can gain on keto... Actually, I'm in bulk phase.
And I've lose the most part of my fat on a standard hypocaloric diet (14kg).
That's why I know how I felt during calories restriction during a high carb diet and during a high fat diet. It is quite simpler to limit food intake if you don't feel hungry.
Then there are other things to consider... But the point is simple: you cannot choose keto if you enjoy eating foods that are not compatible with it.
Any food is compatible with keto in the right quantity.
No not really, because of the strict upper limit on carbs, choosing to eat one thing that's higher in carbs would necessarily come at the detriment of stuff like veggies. Unless you're gonna call "half a slice of pizza and the rest of your day has to be entirely meat and fats so you're not over your carbs" compatible.
Most people can stay in ketosis somewhere in the range of under 50-100 grams depending on activity levels. Sedentary under 50 and higher for more active. The amount of a carb based 'treat' food needed for a fix is pretty small when you are not regularly eating starch and sugar in quantity. In the past I ate huge portions, so this is a noticeable change in my habits.
It is kind of alien to me how you are elevating vegetables nutritionally over fats and proteins. Fats an proteins are the essential macronutrients and contain all the micronutrients required. You can build a nutritional diet with minimal carbohydrates.
Citation needed on those.
Really?, why?
Those are bald assertions. Evidence is required if we're expected to believe them.
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Serious question here because I have not read much on keto diets. Do the fats really have to be the majority? Was looking at a couple sites and they have fats listed between 60-75% of total calories.
What would happen if the ratios of fats and proteins were equal? Or slightly favored towards protein?0 -
piperdown44 wrote: »Serious question here because I have not read much on keto diets. Do the fats really have to be the majority? Was looking at a couple sites and they have fats listed between 60-75% of total calories.
What would happen if the ratios of fats and proteins were equal? Or slightly favored towards protein?
From my [limited] understanding, it would throw you out of ketosis because the protein will be converted into glucose.
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »The point is that in ketosis, there is no such thing as hunger or cravings. That's why in ketosis you don't need to count calories - you are going to eat less.
This is not true for everyone, that they eat less on keto. Some people also manage to maintain or gain on keto -- it's supposed to be a lifestyle, not a diet, after all.
I think keto works great for some people. Not everyone struggles with hunger (at least not physical hunger) or cravings, though, or wants their appetite to go away. And in that I've seen people fail on keto, it doesn't work for everyone.
I love fat and protein (and veggies cooked in fat), so I am pretty sure that after an adjustment period I could overeat on keto as easily as with any other eating style. I also believe that I feel better eating a more balanced diet with a good mix of less processed carbs (and some carb and fat based treats, sure), so that works for me.
I think people who enjoy keto should do what works for them and those who want to try it should. I only ever comment when people insist it works for everyone or that it's a superior approach in general or that it means that calories don't matter.
Off course you can gain on keto... Actually, I'm in bulk phase.
And I've lose the most part of my fat on a standard hypocaloric diet (14kg).
That's why I know how I felt during calories restriction during a high carb diet and during a high fat diet. It is quite simpler to limit food intake if you don't feel hungry.
Then there are other things to consider... But the point is simple: you cannot choose keto if you enjoy eating foods that are not compatible with it.
Any food is compatible with keto in the right quantity.
No not really, because of the strict upper limit on carbs, choosing to eat one thing that's higher in carbs would necessarily come at the detriment of stuff like veggies. Unless you're gonna call "half a slice of pizza and the rest of your day has to be entirely meat and fats so you're not over your carbs" compatible.
Most people can stay in ketosis somewhere in the range of under 50-100 grams depending on activity levels. Sedentary under 50 and higher for more active. The amount of a carb based 'treat' food needed for a fix is pretty small when you are not regularly eating starch and sugar in quantity. In the past I ate huge portions, so this is a noticeable change in my habits.
It is kind of alien to me how you are elevating vegetables nutritionally over fats and proteins. Fats an proteins are the essential macronutrients and contain all the micronutrients required. You can build a nutritional diet with minimal carbohydrates.
Citation needed on those.
OK, for the normal human carb restriction levels- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900714003323#tbl1
Very low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet (VLCKD)
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Carbohydrate, 20–50 g/d or <10% of the 2000 kcal/d diet, whether or not ketosis occurs. Derived from levels of carbohydrate required to induce ketosis in most people.
For the active athlete, the best quick find - http://eatingacademy.com/sports-and-nutrition/ketones-carbohydrates-can-co-exist
What did this amount to?I
Fat – 351 gm, or 3,160 kcal of fat
Protein – 245 gm, or 980 kcal of protein
Carbohydrate – 321 gm, or 1,284 kcal of carbohydrate
(I used package information and Nutritionist Pro software to calculate this.)
Hence, on this day I consumed about 5,400 kcal in total at the following ratio:
Fat – 58%
Protein – 18%
Carbohydrate – 24%
By all conventional wisdom I should not have been in ketosis the next morning, right?
The following morning, my BHB level was 2.2 mM and blood glucose was 5.1 mM.0 -
Still looking for the micronutrient evidence?0
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This diet sounds soooooooo hard and not quick and convenient
If you mean "quick to empty adipocytes", it is the quicker diet I think. It is the only dietary approach that turns your body into a fat-burning machine (most part of enrgy will come from fat), forming ketones from fatty acids and using them instead of glucose (there remains cells that still need glucose, but all the muscolar works and up to 70% of brain energy can come from ketones).0 -
piperdown44 wrote: »Serious question here because I have not read much on keto diets. Do the fats really have to be the majority? Was looking at a couple sites and they have fats listed between 60-75% of total calories.
What would happen if the ratios of fats and proteins were equal? Or slightly favored towards protein?
Over 35% protein is generally regarded as excessive. Drastically reduce carbs and fat becomes the majority.
Protein is also anti-ketogenic to some extent, hence Phinney's "well formulated ketogenic diet" :
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Still looking for the micronutrient evidence?
posted a while back http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/23/7/948.full.pdf+html
(image also posted earlier)0 -
Still looking for the micronutrient evidence?
posted a while back http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/23/7/948.full.pdf+html
(image also posted earlier)
Not in ketosis, and from the text it becomes evident the subjects made an effort to eat just as much vegetables as before.very approximate assessment, however, may be made from the knowledge of the intake of carotene, since this is largely derived from leafy vegetables and these, in turn, are good sources of folic acid. The average carotene content of the low carbohydrate diet was almost precisely thee same as that of the normal diet in spite of the reduction of calories0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Still looking for the micronutrient evidence?
posted a while back http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/23/7/948.full.pdf+html
(image also posted earlier)
Not in ketosis, and from the text it becomes evident the subjects made an effort to eat just as much vegetables as before.very approximate assessment, however, may be made from the knowledge of the intake of carotene, since this is largely derived from leafy vegetables and these, in turn, are good sources of folic acid. The average carotene content of the low carbohydrate diet was almost precisely thee same as that of the normal diet in spite of the reduction of calories
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