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  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Perhaps lemurcat was speaking in a more generalized sense beyond what was specifically being said in this one thread?

    But even the title of this thread "cut down on sodium! !!" would validate her response as being perfectly appropriate.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?
    You had the time to post that, but not support for your mentioning that something other than sodium might be the problem with salt?

  • ki4eld
    ki4eld Posts: 1,215 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
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    2Poufs wrote: »
    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so, I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
    I used to horde salt tablets and use them like candy back when they handed those things out to deal with football two-a-days. They're way better than sauerkraut. You should tell him that.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Why take that one bit out of context, why?

    The point is that scare-mongering about healthy people using a normal amount of salt in cooking or claiming we must log it and worry about it or "break up with it" is not necessary.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?
    You had the time to post that, but not support for your mentioning that something other than sodium might be the problem with salt?
    I already know I'm right. I don't need you to know it.

    I don't learn this stuff by googling. Even if I did, I still probably wouldn't post a link, but I don't have one, anyway.

    If you believe I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

    I'm still curious about why people argue against things that aren't said. I never understand that. This thread is full of people arguing against things that weren't said.

    I'd say that's "odd."
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Why take that one bit out of context, why?

    The point is that scare-mongering about healthy people using a normal amount of salt in cooking or claiming we must log it and worry about it or "break up with it" is not necessary.

    QFT.
  • ki4eld
    ki4eld Posts: 1,215 Member
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    2Poufs wrote: »
    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so, I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
    I used to horde salt tablets and use them like candy back when they handed those things out to deal with football two-a-days. They're way better than sauerkraut. You should tell him that.

    He will reply that nothing is better than sauerkraut, because he is a freak.

    I think a salt lick will go perfectly with the kitchen theme, but he's like "you can't be licking that in front of guests" and I reply "that's what she said" and then he rolls his eyes at me. No fun. No fun at all.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Why take that one bit out of context, why?

    The point is that scare-mongering about healthy people using a normal amount of salt in cooking or claiming we must log it and worry about it or "break up with it" is not necessary.
    And again.

    Nobody said that. Why argue?

    I agree. There is no reason to ask anyone to worry about using a normal amount of salt when cooking.

  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    edited August 2015
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?
    You had the time to post that, but not support for your mentioning that something other than sodium might be the problem with salt?
    I already know I'm right. I don't need you to know it.

    I don't learn this stuff by googling. Even if I did, I still probably wouldn't post a link, but I don't have one, anyway.

    If you believe I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

    I'm still curious about why people argue against things that aren't said. I never understand that. This thread is full of people arguing against things that weren't said.

    I'd say that's "odd."

    Not as odd as you calling me a liar.

    Edited to add:
    Kalikel wrote: »
    I already know I'm right. I don't need you to know it.

    I don't learn this stuff by googling. Even if I did, I still probably wouldn't post a link, but I don't have one, anyway.
    Translation:
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  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Why take that one bit out of context, why?

    The point is that scare-mongering about healthy people using a normal amount of salt in cooking or claiming we must log it and worry about it or "break up with it" is not necessary.
    And again.

    Nobody said that. Why argue?

    I agree. There is no reason to ask anyone to worry about using a normal amount of salt when cooking.

    Seems to me that's something you do all the time.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
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    2Poufs wrote: »
    2Poufs wrote: »
    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so, I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
    I used to horde salt tablets and use them like candy back when they handed those things out to deal with football two-a-days. They're way better than sauerkraut. You should tell him that.

    He will reply that nothing is better than sauerkraut, because he is a freak.

    I like your husband.

    Sauerkraut is the gift of the Gods
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    ceoverturf wrote: »
    2Poufs wrote: »
    2Poufs wrote: »
    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so, I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
    I used to horde salt tablets and use them like candy back when they handed those things out to deal with football two-a-days. They're way better than sauerkraut. You should tell him that.

    He will reply that nothing is better than sauerkraut, because he is a freak.

    I like your husband.

    Sauerkraut is the gift of the Gods

    This is true.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?
    You had the time to post that, but not support for your mentioning that something other than sodium might be the problem with salt?
    I already know I'm right. I don't need you to know it.

    I don't learn this stuff by googling. Even if I did, I still probably wouldn't post a link, but I don't have one, anyway.

    If you believe I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

    I'm still curious about why people argue against things that aren't said. I never understand that. This thread is full of people arguing against things that weren't said.

    I'd say that's "odd."
    You're not right. And you're using the debate tactics of a two-year old. Making a claim and then explicitly refusing to support it might not even be up to a two-year old's standards. At least he'd say "Because."

  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?

    Why take that one bit out of context, why?

    The point is that scare-mongering about healthy people using a normal amount of salt in cooking or claiming we must log it and worry about it or "break up with it" is not necessary.
    And again.

    Nobody said that. Why argue?

    I agree. There is no reason to ask anyone to worry about using a normal amount of salt when cooking.

    Seems to me that's something you do all the time.
    Nope.

    I didn't say it. Nobody in this thread said it.

    You're arguing against something that was never said, implied or even thought.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Has ANYONE suggested cutting salt to a very low level?
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited August 2015
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    In numerous such threads I've seen you tell people they should switch up salt for Mrs. Dash.

    You tell people they should worry about keeping sodium under 1500.

    You say that virtually all of us get too little potassium and too much sodium (and I know for a fact that's not true for me, I get plenty of potassium, for example). You were basically unwilling to believe in this thread that anyone could need more sodium.

    The truth is more complex, as indicated by the article I posted (as well as my own conversations with my doctor).
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
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    Kalikel wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ceoverturf wrote: »
    The point I think some are missing (and granted, it hasn't specifically been put down in black & white) is that I don't believe anyone is under the impression that you should completely ignore sodium/salt intake and just eat teaspoons full of pure salt...any more than one would say you should completely ignore any micronutrient.

    But that for most people, absent a specific medical condition which requires one to monitor their sodium intake, going a few hundred milligrams over or under the RDA is not any cause for concern. In other words, eat salty/sodium-rich foods in moderation, and there's no need to pearl-clutch.

    If anyone disagrees with that I would welcome an intelligent debate as to where that is wrong.

    I agree with this.

    I do not however think that "If you have no medical condition you don't need to worry about sodium" implies this.

    I do. I think to some extent people are talking past each other.

    On the whole I think people ought to drink adequate water, exercise, get enough potassium, and be sensitive to if they have a medical condition. I'm also in favor of eating mostly from whole foods/home cooked meals and if you don't -- if you eat lots of restaurant or packaged food -- then perhaps seeking out lower sodium options, as you are eating in a way that tends to be high sodium.

    What I think is overkill for most (and the article I posted supports this) is worrying about keeping sodium to a very low level or trying to track and log cooking salt or deciding that using any salt is the devil and that it must be left out entirely to be healthy and so foods like pickles or olives or smoked salmon are bad for you.

    SOME may have conditions where that's the case, but they shouldn't then tell perfectly healthy people that we are killing ourselves because we don't cut out salt or the like.

    Again with the "X is the devil" stuff when absolutely nobody said it.

    Why argue against things nobody said?

    Why?
    You had the time to post that, but not support for your mentioning that something other than sodium might be the problem with salt?
    I already know I'm right. I don't need you to know it.

    I don't learn this stuff by googling. Even if I did, I still probably wouldn't post a link, but I don't have one, anyway.

    If you believe I'm wrong, that's fine with me.

    I'm still curious about why people argue against things that aren't said. I never understand that. This thread is full of people arguing against things that weren't said.

    I'd say that's "odd."
    You're not right. And you're using the debate tactics of a two-year old. Making a claim and then explicitly refusing to support it might not even be up to a two-year old's standards. At least he'd say "Because."
    No, I'm not using debate tactics, lol. I'm not debating.
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    2Poufs wrote: »
    2Poufs wrote: »
    Cut sodium? NO! Install a salt lick in the kitchen!

    Ok, I didn't exactly install one, but I do have a bottle of supplements. Apparently, mine is too low. I cut it and didn't need to do that, so back up it goes. I'm eating around 3500 a day, but that's not enough. I just can't add salt to anything else, so, I get the supplements. Or a salt lick. I'm still bucking for one of these, but hubby says no. He's a spoilsport.
    I used to horde salt tablets and use them like candy back when they handed those things out to deal with football two-a-days. They're way better than sauerkraut. You should tell him that.

    He will reply that nothing is better than sauerkraut, because he is a freak.

    I think a salt lick will go perfectly with the kitchen theme, but he's like "you can't be licking that in front of guests" and I reply "that's what she said" and then he rolls his eyes at me. No fun. No fun at all.

    You know, you can buy salt lick necklaces. http://www.humansaltlick.com/ I love salty foods and adding salt, but, alas, I am one of the unfortunates who can't have as much salt as they wish. It doesn't help that AHA lowered the threshold for pre-hypertension (120/80 is "HBP").
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