What Marijuana Does to Your Metabolism
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Surely this must be at current uses which weights alcohol up because of how common and accessible it is?old news now but Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt
weed is 8th on this list
The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage".
absolutely, it's based on existing legal and social constraints/practices0 -
Surely this must be at current uses which weights alcohol up because of how common and accessible it is?old news now but Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt
weed is 8th on this list
The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage".
ACTUALLY i don't know that for sure - not sure whether that's been compared to direct interpersonal harms ppl addicted to alcohol can inflict on loved ones. or bar fights etc. (which goes to your accessibility point)
i'm sure it was accounted for somehow though
yes
sorry, sleep deprived. that should be on there.
also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3OepDn5GU 0 -
GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
I believe that's what they call a false dichotomy.I'll justify smoking marijuana because it helps me sleep, eases my anxiety, helps with my depression, helps me eat, it eased my junkie shakes when I was getting clean from heroin - and wouldn't you know it- my doctors all say it's fine! Because marijuana CANT KILL YOU! Except they say it's better to eat it than smoke it, but I don't have time to do the intricate things cooking with weed requires to make it not taste bad.
It's not a drug btw. It's a plant.
Yep. I agree with that.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! A judgement thread on MFP!
I'll play along. Does anybody justify their drinking because of the reported health benefits?
They say a glass of wine with dinner is healthy for your heart.
I just save up all of my glasses and drink a bottle on the weekends. Totally the same thing.
A whole bottle of wine fits into a Trenta cup from Starbucks...You're Welcome
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tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.
I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?0 -
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tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.
I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?
You cannot react fast enough to not kill someone.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Yay! A judgement thread on MFP!
I'll play along. Does anybody justify their drinking because of the reported health benefits?
They say a glass of wine with dinner is healthy for your heart.
I just save up all of my glasses and drink a bottle on the weekends. Totally the same thing.
A whole bottle of wine fits into a Trenta cup from Starbucks...You're Welcome
You're buying the wrong size wine bottles!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »kmajor2015 wrote: »
Then perhaps starting this thread wasn't such a good idea.
I remember a long time ago when I used to smoke weed, I thought I came up with all sorts of absolutely brilliant ideas when I was high. I even wrote some of them down, so I'd be sure to remember them in the morning.
The next day? They weren't so brilliant. LMAO.
Yep. Remember the days too. I didn't smoke it long because I didn't like how it made me feel, but I thought I was really awesome.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?
There are lots of factors, including the strain being used and the user him/herself. Some people do not experience any loss of reaction time, while others behave like the stereotype you described.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »kmajor2015 wrote: »
Then perhaps starting this thread wasn't such a good idea.
I remember a long time ago when I used to smoke weed, I thought I came up with all sorts of absolutely brilliant ideas when I was high. I even wrote some of them down, so I'd be sure to remember them in the morning.
The next day? They weren't so brilliant. LMAO.
Yep. Remember the days too. I didn't smoke it long because I didn't like how it made me feel, but I thought I was really awesome.
ha, i remember sooooo much bad poetry (another societal harm). (or i remember THAT i wrote it, obviously i don't actually remember it.)0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.
I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?
You cannot react fast enough to not kill someone.
There are many times that sober drivers can't react fast enough to not kill someone. How does this statement contribute to the conversation in any meaningful way?0 -
all drugs should be legalized0
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tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.
I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?
You are kidding right? You don't see how slowed reaction time negatively impacts driving?0 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »kmajor2015 wrote: »
Then perhaps starting this thread wasn't such a good idea.
I remember a long time ago when I used to smoke weed, I thought I came up with all sorts of absolutely brilliant ideas when I was high. I even wrote some of them down, so I'd be sure to remember them in the morning.
The next day? They weren't so brilliant. LMAO.
Yep. Remember the days too. I didn't smoke it long because I didn't like how it made me feel, but I thought I was really awesome.
ha, i remember sooooo much bad poetry (another societal harm)
Not as bad as the poetry written by Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings of Essex, right?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »
I think it is indeed sad. It should just be legal because it is a personal decision. Having to justify it for other reasons is sad to me. Cupcakes are both delicious, can be enjoyed, and in excess can have health consequences, but no one needs to tell people that cupcakes might cure cancer or treat Alzheimer's to justify having a cupcake. It seems sad that people have to do that for marijuana.RaeBeeBaby wrote: »I find it funny that people still go on about medical marijuana for glaucoma when it does nothing for glaucoma last I saw any medical review.
I'm perfectly fine with adults doing it because they want to. I find it kind of sad that people have to invent medical properties for it as a means to justify legalizing it to a bunch of people.
It's not sad that people are "inventing medical properties" for it to justify legalization. There are clinical studies going on all over the world on the health benefits of cannabis for everything from cancer treatment to epilepsy to Alzheimers to treatment of PTSD. Of course, people do consume it for pleasure and recreation, but the medical use benefits are well documented or there would not be medical marijuana programs in many states in the U.S.
I'm very happy it is now legal for recreational use in my state. We can certainly use the tax revenue!
It does not impair driving like alcohol does.
I'm all for legalisation... but this is only half true. It doesn't impair driving in the same way as alcohol, but it absolutely does impair driving. People have crashed their cars and killed people when driving after smoking - because the effects mean they don't pay as much attention as they should.
I've seen arguments that most of these cases involve multiple intoxicating agents being in a system i.e. someone was drunk and stoned or stoned and on meth, which confounds things somewhat. Is there any research showing that marijuana-using drivers become distracted at a higher rate than sober drivers?
Yes. There have been several studies that show it slows down reaction time.
I've no doubt that pot slows reaction time (I'm not even sure we needed studies for that - just pretend to hit a stoner and wait the 5 minutes for them to flinch), but how does that correspond to driving ability?
You are kidding right? You don't see how slowed reaction time negatively impacts driving?
I can see how it would negatively impact driving if the delay was appreciable. You didn't link me with anything to reference, so I'm asking follow-up questions.0 -
old news now but Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt
weed is 8th on this list
The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage".
does this take into account that alcohol is legal and readily available and used more frequently by a lot more people than any of those other things? I really have a difficult time believing that alcohol is more dangerous than heroine.0
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