Is chlorine in our water negative for better health?
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First world problem. There are still two billion people needing secure water supply, and would happily accept chlorination to get there.
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/natural-sciences/environment/water/wwap/facts-and-figures/water-supply-sanitation-and-health/
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I'm sorry, with all respect, this is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I'm a water resource engineer and my work is to ensure clean water for people. Chlorine is a must to protect you from dangerous diseases and fluoride protects your teeth.... This kind of post just doesn't make any sense
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That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.0 -
dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That's true. I lived in the states for 17 years and absolutely despised drinking water. I lived on diet coke. Yuck!
I now live in Germany and happily drink 3-4 liters of sparkling mineral water daily. Cola is a distant memory.0 -
In our rural area most have private 4" plastic wells ranging from 75' to 300' or around 75 meters on average. We are 50 miles from where the Ohio and Mississippi rivers join. They drill until they hit good water bearing sands then go a little deeper the best I can remember.
Private home wells do not require chlorination but if it is like a church or school then private wells with public access have to be chlorinated. Our church is not chlorinated but it will be required when we make any plumbing changes and apply for a plumbing permit for the new work. We are in Kentucky and the laws/codes vary from state to state.
The info in the line below is dated but clearly shows an increase in numbers of certain types of cancer due to chlorinated drinking water and the mindset of human harm that is a side effect.
darwin.bio.uci.edu/sustain/global/sensem/Nunez298.html
"Government officials feel that the sacrifice of a few cases of cancer and other health problems is well worth it, in comparison to no sanitary water at all........"
@dutchandkiwi your public water system truly is awesome. Thanks for showing us there are non toxic ways to produce safe drinking water without harming people with harsh chemicals.
drink-water-eng-sci.net/2/1/2009/dwes-2-1-2009.pdf
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abetterluke wrote: »It may just be that there is already fluoride in our water and our toothpaste so additional treatments are unnecessary.
That seems very likely. Was just reading material from Snopud.com - your water sources all contain fluoride. Too much fluoride causes irregular bright white staining as I recall.
Fluoridation isn't used here in Vancouver. Our dentist treats us.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »On the subject of supplements they all carry an element of risk and for that reason I not suggest others take them. Google is one way to learn pros and cons on most any subject and that is what I use for my own research into any supplement before I do a trial use of it.
Supplements that have been in continued use for 3000-5000 years interest me. If they had no value I question they would still be in usage today. It must have been more than a future huge gullible USA market driving 4000 years of usage.
Humans are complex meat machines. Just because something has been used for many decades or longer doesn't mean its effective or that an observed positive outcome was as a result of the agent used.
From what I can see from the little available literature there's little observed benefit (various published studies cited by Sloan Kettering and others) but the compound itself is known to be a carcinogen itself if ingested through the lungs, leading to the same types of disease as experienced by those exposed repeatedly to asbestos fibres in their breathing air.
If this particular compound has a direct not tangential link to water treatment I must have missed that so wonder why it has been brought up.0 -
Not to mention that there isn't a single peer reviewed source among the references.
Do the words "reliable source" mean anything at all to you Gale?0 -
paulitacedi wrote: »I'm sorry, with all respect, this is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I'm a water resource engineer and my work is to ensure clean water for people. Chlorine is a must to protect you from dangerous diseases and fluoride protects your teeth.... This kind of post just doesn't make any sense
Oh hey look, sanity showed up in this thread. 0 -
Maybe they have as much value as astrology.GaleHawkins wrote: »
Supplements that have been in continued use for 3000-5000 years interest me. If they had no value I question they would still be in usage today.
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Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.0 -
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
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Ha! (Although, to be fair, that's chloride.)DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
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No, it's chlorine. The molecule is called chloride according to the naming convention of molecules, but the actual element is chlorine.
Ha! (Although, to be fair, that's chloride.)DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
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Chloride is the ion (Cl-), and chlorine is the element, which exists as Cl2 right? I think? Man, it has been waaaaay too long since chemistry class...DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it's chlorine. The molecule is called chloride according to the naming convention of molecules, but the actual element is chlorine.
Ha! (Although, to be fair, that's chloride.)DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
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"Take the binary compound NaCl. The Na+ is a sodium cation. The Cl- is a chlorine anion, which gets the suffix -ide added to it. When you put them together, it becomes sodium chloride."
Chloride is the ion (Cl-), and chlorine is the element, which exists as Cl2 right? I think? Man, it has been waaaaay too long since chemistry class...DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it's chlorine. The molecule is called chloride according to the naming convention of molecules, but the actual element is chlorine.
Ha! (Although, to be fair, that's chloride.)DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
http://study.com/academy/lesson/naming-ionic-compounds-simple-binary-transition-metal-polyatomic-ion-compounds.html
It's still chlorine, whether it's monatomic, diatomic, ionic, whatever. NaCl is sodium and chlorine. I mean, the O in H2O is still oxygen, even if it's named as monoxide in that molecule, but normally exists a diatomic O2, right?
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Take the binary compound NaCl. The Na+ is a sodium cation. The Cl- is a chlorine anion, which gets the suffix -ide added to it. When you put them together, it becomes sodium chloride."
Chloride is the ion (Cl-), and chlorine is the element, which exists as Cl2 right? I think? Man, it has been waaaaay too long since chemistry class...DeguelloTex wrote: »
No, it's chlorine. The molecule is called chloride according to the naming convention of molecules, but the actual element is chlorine.
Ha! (Although, to be fair, that's chloride.)DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
http://study.com/academy/lesson/naming-ionic-compounds-simple-binary-transition-metal-polyatomic-ion-compounds.html
It's still chlorine, whether it's monatomic, diatomic, ionic, whatever. NaCl is sodium and chlorine. I mean, the O in H2O is still oxygen, even if it's named as monoxide in that molecule, but normally exists a diatomic O2, right?
Ha, apparently I need more coffee before attempting to science in the morning.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
Better stop breathing while taking a shower. Better yet, don't shower.0 -
htimpaired wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Chlorine is also found in high concentration in salt.Actually your body removes chlorine when you drink it in water. When you use a hot shower the chlorine gas is 50x stronger. Your skin obsorbs it quicker and you breath it into the blood stream more rapid. It's listed as a
pesticide on the fda website because it kills living organisms and been found in high concentrations in breast cancer people.
Better stop breathing while taking a shower. Better yet, don't shower.
There's a whole host of people in my town that have chosen that option. I choose the stop breathing when i'm unfortunate enough to come across them.
Ive also learnt i can move very fast when motivated by lack of oxygen.
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dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.
Do you have an issue with water shortages in the Netherlands? I live in the West of the US and many states suffer from water shortages, and as a result some areas are forced to used recycled waste water or water transported from many miles.0 -
I can not longer drink the water that comes from my faucet. I get sick after 2 to 3 glasses. I will throw it all back up. Sorry that was gross but that is what happens. I HAVE to have filter water. (Kroger's filter water is great and I drink at least 3 to 4 bottle or more a day.
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Cynthiamr2015 wrote: »I can not longer drink the water that comes from my faucet. I get sick after 2 to 3 glasses. I will throw it all back up. Sorry that was gross but that is what happens. I HAVE to have filter water. (Kroger's filter water is great and I drink at least 3 to 4 bottle or more a day.
What the heck is in your water?0 -
Also I found that the water that runs through a reverse osmosis filter. It is better! It taste clean and has NO bad smell ! 0
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No we don't suffer from shortages. Though in a way you can see the river water as recycled wastewater too. These rivers were in the past incredibly dirty and I know that when low they are be pretty bad still. We are at the end of the rivers which are used throughout Europe for transport.ldrosophila wrote: »dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.
Do you have an issue with water shortages in the Netherlands? I live in the West of the US and many states suffer from water shortages, and as a result some areas are forced to used recycled waste water or water transported from many miles.
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Chlorination is a new positive IMO. Certainly other ways to disinfect water though.0
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ldrosophila wrote: »dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.
Do you have an issue with water shortages in the Netherlands? I live in the West of the US and many states suffer from water shortages, and as a result some areas are forced to used recycled waste water or water transported from many miles.
In Houston, a large portion of our drinking water is reclaimed from the sewage produced by Dallas. Last time Texas had a huge drought, facebook was full of memes telling Dallas to keep flushing...0 -
ldrosophila wrote: »dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.
Do you have an issue with water shortages in the Netherlands? I live in the West of the US and many states suffer from water shortages, and as a result some areas are forced to used recycled waste water or water transported from many miles.
In Houston, a large portion of our drinking water is reclaimed from the sewage produced by Dallas. Last time Texas had a huge drought, facebook was full of memes telling Dallas to keep flushing...
Few people comprehend the word "treated" though...0 -
ldrosophila wrote: »dutchandkiwi wrote: »
That depends on whether you can upgrade the supply system and the filtering systems prior to treatment. Our water in the Netherlands is perfectly safe meets and greatly exceeds safety regs (ours our very very stringent) and still the water is not chlorinated. When set out against data fromother countries we are at the highest safest end of the scale.I wonder how much faster all the pathogens would kill you if the tap water was not chlorinated. Pretty dang quick, I would think.
We are lucky that a lot of our water goes through natural sandfilters (nature reseerves as well as water reserves) but about 1/3 to half of our water is sourced from our main rivers.
Our water tastes so much better than in the US as I recently found out. All of a sudden I understood the resentment to drinking tapwater.
Do you have an issue with water shortages in the Netherlands? I live in the West of the US and many states suffer from water shortages, and as a result some areas are forced to used recycled waste water or water transported from many miles.
In Houston, a large portion of our drinking water is reclaimed from the sewage produced by Dallas. Last time Texas had a huge drought, facebook was full of memes telling Dallas to keep flushing...
Few people comprehend the word "treated" though...
One of my favorite "how it's made" type shows showed a water bottling plant and talked about the different filtration process. The more entertaining part is that part of the water supply was bottled, and the rest of the water went into several other filtration process and treatments and then into the municipal system. So, because it underwent further filtration, the municipal system actually had cleaner water.0
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