Just started counting and I'm putting on weight!?
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale.
In another thread you said you had a dietician, doctor, and trainer. You also said the scale didn't budge for months. Now here you're saying you still have the dietician, doctor, and trainer. Honestly, follow your own advice and get a new doctor, dietician, and trainer because if everything you're typing is true then you're dealing with people who are really bad at their line of work and it would be insane to keep working with them if you've seen no progress.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
For example, eating carbs or red meat is really hard for me to break down. So I have to eat salads with light dressings or juice. Or broth soups. If I have a turkey sub on wheat and say bacon egg cheese bowl even though that's a relatively low cal day, it's still not going to result in a loss for me. I'm just giving you examples. Does that make sense?
No, not at all. Your body uses calories in to determine how much weight you lose/gain. It doesn't matter where they come from.
That's not true for everyone. How can you say that you KNOW that everyone and every body processes the same? You can't. You are assuming. What works for some doesn't work for others.
I know because science.
Lol and you're a proven scientist? I doubt it. Because science would also tell you that there are certain medical conditions where the norm for many doesn't apply. But you didn't know that because you're not a scientist
No sweetie. I'm not a scientist but I still know that gravity exists, even if I can't explain to you exactly how it works. No matter what the medical condition it's still calories in versus calories out. A medical condition might affect the calories out portion, but the equation still applies.
Nope honey...I know you're wrong again. Do some research and don't assume and then you will see you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale. Doctors with degrees see that.
You are misinformed. Glad you learned about Gravity but you are clearly not fully informed about weight loss.
Science includes what I believe. You should probably mind your own business...
Guess what honey, this is a community forum and I am here to dispel untruths.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale.
In another thread you said you had a dietician, doctor, and trainer. You also said the scale didn't budge for months. Now here you're saying you still have the dietician, doctor, and trainer. Honestly, follow your own advice and get a new doctor, dietician, and trainer because if everything you're typing is true then you're dealing with people who are really bad at their line of work and it would be insane to keep working with them if you've seen no progress.
Ma'am...have/had. Lol you think you caught me in something? I did all those things but I don't do the exact same thing anymore nor with the same doctors after I saw that some things didn't work. So I still have doctors and all those professionals to monitor my health. Thus HAVE doctors. I HAD a different team of docs in the past when I watched the scale not move for a year.
I have been logging for years. I've tried things for months seen it didn't work then switched my routine. In addition I never said I saw no results. I have at times. At long periods I have seen cals in vs calories not work. I've gone a year with no scale movement while doing everything various professionals told me.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Nope honey...I know you're wrong again. Do some research and don't assume and then you will see you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale. Doctors with degrees see that.
You are misinformed. Glad you learned about Gravity but you are clearly not fully informed about weight loss.
Doctors with degrees told you that you were an exception to how energy works for everyone else? What condition is that exactly?
Doctors agree that people with PCOS don't process carbs and sugar like the "average" person. Accordingly it throws your hormones and body off if you eat them. Maybe the average person can get away with eating all carbs and sugar and still losing but someone with PCOS it causes havoc. Even if you only ate 1000 calories for the day and completed a hardcore workout. You should research it before you tell people that have spent THOUSANDS of dollars researching it. Living it. Working with educated professionals. It's ENTIRELY possible that you have a limited understanding of how the body works. There always exceptions to a rule.
I must be a special snowflake with PCOS then, because my endo instructed me to change NOTHING about how I was going about losing weight (hint, I weigh all my food and stick to a caloric deficit). I live it every single day, and I'm no exception to science.0 -
Hahahahahaha and you are the God of truth huh? Did you google PCOS? Did you get your info from Wikipedia? You know those are very reputable sources. You can't even put a picture of yourself up in your profile. Why should anyone listen to you and your pasted pictures? I can tell you're very smart and articulate by your thorough in depth posts. Natural selection at its finest huh?queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
For example, eating carbs or red meat is really hard for me to break down. So I have to eat salads with light dressings or juice. Or broth soups. If I have a turkey sub on wheat and say bacon egg cheese bowl even though that's a relatively low cal day, it's still not going to result in a loss for me. I'm just giving you examples. Does that make sense?
No, not at all. Your body uses calories in to determine how much weight you lose/gain. It doesn't matter where they come from.
That's not true for everyone. How can you say that you KNOW that everyone and every body processes the same? You can't. You are assuming. What works for some doesn't work for others.
I know because science.
Lol and you're a proven scientist? I doubt it. Because science would also tell you that there are certain medical conditions where the norm for many doesn't apply. But you didn't know that because you're not a scientist
No sweetie. I'm not a scientist but I still know that gravity exists, even if I can't explain to you exactly how it works. No matter what the medical condition it's still calories in versus calories out. A medical condition might affect the calories out portion, but the equation still applies.
Nope honey...I know you're wrong again. Do some research and don't assume and then you will see you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale. Doctors with degrees see that.
You are misinformed. Glad you learned about Gravity but you are clearly not fully informed about weight loss.
Science includes what I believe. You should probably mind your own business...
Guess what honey, this is a community forum and I am here to dispel untruths.
Be blessed lady.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale.
In another thread you said you had a dietician, doctor, and trainer. You also said the scale didn't budge for months. Now here you're saying you still have the dietician, doctor, and trainer. Honestly, follow your own advice and get a new doctor, dietician, and trainer because if everything you're typing is true then you're dealing with people who are really bad at their line of work and it would be insane to keep working with them if you've seen no progress.
Ma'am...have/had. Lol you think you caught me in something? I did all those things but I don't do the exact same thing anymore nor with the same doctors after I saw that some things didn't work. So I still have doctors and all those professionals to monitor my health. Thus HAVE doctors. I HAD a different team of docs in the past when I watched the scale not move for a year.
I have been logging for years. I've tried things for months seen it didn't work then switched my routine. In addition I never said I saw no results. I have at times. At long periods I have seen cals in vs calories not work. I've gone a year with no scale movement while doing everything various professionals told me.
I'm not trying to catch you in anything. You never mentioned in a previous post that you were working with a different team than before. This is why I mentioned it so you could feel free to clarify if you chose to do so. I'm sorry that you're dealing with PCOS and usually cannot lose weight no matter what you try, but what you need to understand is that you are a statistical anomaly based on what you're saying on these boards; even amongst other women with PCOS you defy many aspects of science and logic. At this point, a dietician and doctor should want to take you on as a case study so they can figure out what is going on with your body. You say you have seen results in the past, so obviously something was going right regarding CICO before it stopped working on the long term. I don't know what type of success it was but there seems to be a disconnect.0 -
Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.0
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PrizePopple wrote: »Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.
I never said all people have the exact same reactions to PCOS. Some women have infertility issues with it. Others don't. Some get acne. Others don't. I also never said you can't lose. You can. Just for some people it is more than just calories in vs. Calories out.
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale.
In another thread you said you had a dietician, doctor, and trainer. You also said the scale didn't budge for months. Now here you're saying you still have the dietician, doctor, and trainer. Honestly, follow your own advice and get a new doctor, dietician, and trainer because if everything you're typing is true then you're dealing with people who are really bad at their line of work and it would be insane to keep working with them if you've seen no progress.
Ma'am...have/had. Lol you think you caught me in something? I did all those things but I don't do the exact same thing anymore nor with the same doctors after I saw that some things didn't work. So I still have doctors and all those professionals to monitor my health. Thus HAVE doctors. I HAD a different team of docs in the past when I watched the scale not move for a year.
I have been logging for years. I've tried things for months seen it didn't work then switched my routine. In addition I never said I saw no results. I have at times. At long periods I have seen cals in vs calories not work. I've gone a year with no scale movement while doing everything various professionals told me.
I'm not trying to catch you in anything. You never mentioned in a previous post that you were working with a different team than before. This is why I mentioned it so you could feel free to clarify if you chose to do so. I'm sorry that you're dealing with PCOS and usually cannot lose weight no matter what you try, but what you need to understand is that you are a statistical anomaly based on what you're saying on these boards; even amongst other women with PCOS you defy many aspects of science and logic. At this point, a dietician and doctor should want to take you on as a case study so they can figure out what is going on with your body. You say you have seen results in the past, so obviously something was going right regarding CICO before it stopped working on the long term. I don't know what type of success it was but there seems to be a disconnect.
Thank you for your sympathy. I am not willing to go through my entire story on a forum from start to finish with every detail. I am summarizing. There is far too much to type. Again I never said you cannot lose. I said cal in vs cal out is not the end all be all for many women with PCOS. The times I lost and when I lose best is when I keep carbs and sugar to a minimum. So my cals in have to be less than my cals out and I have to be very careful what foods I give my body. I am not the only woman that has this issue. Most of my friends on mfp have the same problem. They still lose weight but only when they are careful of what types of cals they get in their day.
I don't understand why people think this is anomaly. It's not. People are different. Two people the same height and weight can look very different. People also can eat the exact same things and exercise the same way and one lose and one doesn't. This happens on the biggest loser, this happens in life.0 -
Hahahahahaha and you are the God of truth huh? Did you google PCOS? Did you get your info from Wikipedia? You know those are very reputable sources. You can't even put a picture of yourself up in your profile. Why should anyone listen to you and your pasted pictures? I can tell you're very smart and articulate by your thorough in depth posts. Natural selection at its finest huh?queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
For example, eating carbs or red meat is really hard for me to break down. So I have to eat salads with light dressings or juice. Or broth soups. If I have a turkey sub on wheat and say bacon egg cheese bowl even though that's a relatively low cal day, it's still not going to result in a loss for me. I'm just giving you examples. Does that make sense?
No, not at all. Your body uses calories in to determine how much weight you lose/gain. It doesn't matter where they come from.
That's not true for everyone. How can you say that you KNOW that everyone and every body processes the same? You can't. You are assuming. What works for some doesn't work for others.
I know because science.
Lol and you're a proven scientist? I doubt it. Because science would also tell you that there are certain medical conditions where the norm for many doesn't apply. But you didn't know that because you're not a scientist
No sweetie. I'm not a scientist but I still know that gravity exists, even if I can't explain to you exactly how it works. No matter what the medical condition it's still calories in versus calories out. A medical condition might affect the calories out portion, but the equation still applies.
Nope honey...I know you're wrong again. Do some research and don't assume and then you will see you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale. Doctors with degrees see that.
You are misinformed. Glad you learned about Gravity but you are clearly not fully informed about weight loss.
Science includes what I believe. You should probably mind your own business...
Guess what honey, this is a community forum and I am here to dispel untruths.
Be blessed lady.
All my photos and my food diary are open for your review, I have nothing to hide. Be prepared to be awed:)0 -
The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.0
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PrizePopple wrote: »Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.
I never said all people have the exact same reactions to PCOS. Some women have infertility issues with it. Others don't. Some get acne. Others don't. I also never said you can't lose. You can. Just for some people it is more than just calories in vs. Calories out.
CICO still applies, it's just the target gets shifted around . I am also well aware what the symptoms of PCOS are. As told to me by my endo - PCOS is a misnomer and has more to do with insulin resistance than ovaries (you don't even have to have ovarian cysts to have PCOS). If you are unable to lose weight while doing everything by the book then your endo would likely have put you on metformin and other medication to help get your insulin levels in order, and at that point weight loss should have been achievable.0 -
The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.
No that equation doesn't work for everyone. If you have medical issues just keeping cals in below what you expend doesn't work. There is more to the equation.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Hahahahahaha and you are the God of truth huh? Did you google PCOS? Did you get your info from Wikipedia? You know those are very reputable sources. You can't even put a picture of yourself up in your profile. Why should anyone listen to you and your pasted pictures? I can tell you're very smart and articulate by your thorough in depth posts. Natural selection at its finest huh?queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
For example, eating carbs or red meat is really hard for me to break down. So I have to eat salads with light dressings or juice. Or broth soups. If I have a turkey sub on wheat and say bacon egg cheese bowl even though that's a relatively low cal day, it's still not going to result in a loss for me. I'm just giving you examples. Does that make sense?
No, not at all. Your body uses calories in to determine how much weight you lose/gain. It doesn't matter where they come from.
That's not true for everyone. How can you say that you KNOW that everyone and every body processes the same? You can't. You are assuming. What works for some doesn't work for others.
I know because science.
Lol and you're a proven scientist? I doubt it. Because science would also tell you that there are certain medical conditions where the norm for many doesn't apply. But you didn't know that because you're not a scientist
No sweetie. I'm not a scientist but I still know that gravity exists, even if I can't explain to you exactly how it works. No matter what the medical condition it's still calories in versus calories out. A medical condition might affect the calories out portion, but the equation still applies.
Nope honey...I know you're wrong again. Do some research and don't assume and then you will see you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a dietician, doctor, food scale, trainer, and work out 5-6 times a week. I eat like a bird. Doesn't change the scale. Doctors with degrees see that.
You are misinformed. Glad you learned about Gravity but you are clearly not fully informed about weight loss.
Science includes what I believe. You should probably mind your own business...
Guess what honey, this is a community forum and I am here to dispel untruths.
Be blessed lady.
All my photos and my food diary are open for your review, I have nothing to hide. Be prepared to be awed:)
Have a good evening.0 -
Im hoping it's just a "fluctuation" due to it being the beginning of a new diet, the way I was eating before was the same, just too much as I couldnt budge... Im hoping it will drop in a week or two. The doctor is sending me back for more blood tests to see what my hormone cycle is up to. I will start using my food scales over measuring from now on (boyfriend thinks im mental for measuring every little thing I eat lol)
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PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.
I never said all people have the exact same reactions to PCOS. Some women have infertility issues with it. Others don't. Some get acne. Others don't. I also never said you can't lose. You can. Just for some people it is more than just calories in vs. Calories out.
CICO still applies, it's just the target gets shifted around . I am also well aware what the symptoms of PCOS are. As told to me by my endo - PCOS is a misnomer and has more to do with insulin resistance than ovaries (you don't even have to have ovarian cysts to have PCOS). If you are unable to lose weight while doing everything by the book then your endo would likely have put you on metformin and other medication to help get your insulin levels in order, and at that point weight loss should have been achievable.
I never said I can't lose weight. I said that when I just did cals in vs cals out I didn't lose. In fact sometimes I gained. I am on metformin. Never said I wasnt0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.
I never said all people have the exact same reactions to PCOS. Some women have infertility issues with it. Others don't. Some get acne. Others don't. I also never said you can't lose. You can. Just for some people it is more than just calories in vs. Calories out.
CICO still applies, it's just the target gets shifted around . I am also well aware what the symptoms of PCOS are. As told to me by my endo - PCOS is a misnomer and has more to do with insulin resistance than ovaries (you don't even have to have ovarian cysts to have PCOS). If you are unable to lose weight while doing everything by the book then your endo would likely have put you on metformin and other medication to help get your insulin levels in order, and at that point weight loss should have been achievable.
I never said I can't lose weight. I said that when I just did cals in vs cals out I didn't lose. In fact sometimes I gained. I am on metformin. Never said I wasnt
Well then if you're not losing at a caloric deficit while on medication to control IR/diabetes then you need to go back to your endo because you are defying the very science they use to have diagnosed you with your condition.0 -
The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.
No that equation doesn't work for everyone. If you have medical issues just keeping cals in below what you expend doesn't work. There is more to the equation.
Yes, everyone. As I said they may have to do certain things to achieve that equation. Or are you saying that there are some people who absolutely cannot lose weight?
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PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »Oh and to add insult to injury my thyroid is being attacked by my body and slowly shutting down, so by all accounts I should REALLY be a special snowflake, but here I am.
I never said all people have the exact same reactions to PCOS. Some women have infertility issues with it. Others don't. Some get acne. Others don't. I also never said you can't lose. You can. Just for some people it is more than just calories in vs. Calories out.
CICO still applies, it's just the target gets shifted around . I am also well aware what the symptoms of PCOS are. As told to me by my endo - PCOS is a misnomer and has more to do with insulin resistance than ovaries (you don't even have to have ovarian cysts to have PCOS). If you are unable to lose weight while doing everything by the book then your endo would likely have put you on metformin and other medication to help get your insulin levels in order, and at that point weight loss should have been achievable.
I never said I can't lose weight. I said that when I just did cals in vs cals out I didn't lose. In fact sometimes I gained. I am on metformin. Never said I wasnt
Well then if you're not losing at a caloric deficit while on medication to control IR/diabetes then you need to go back to your endo because you are defying the very science they use to have diagnosed you with your condition.
I wasn't on metformin when I wasn't losing. I was counting cals, using a food scale, with a team of professionals, working out and was eating way less than i expended. I did not lose weight. That's when docs started testing me for other things. I have IR and cysts. And I have lost weight with the medication.0 -
Im hoping it's just a "fluctuation" due to it being the beginning of a new diet, the way I was eating before was the same, just too much as I couldnt budge... Im hoping it will drop in a week or two. The doctor is sending me back for more blood tests to see what my hormone cycle is up to. I will start using my food scales over measuring from now on (boyfriend thinks im mental for measuring every little thing I eat lol)
You will not need to use a scale for too long. You will get very good at estimating your food intake.0 -
If you want me to concede that I'm not the norm...that's fine. However to say that I'm the only one that this happens to is not true. It may be a minority but this happens. There are exceptions to rules.0
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The point being that once your condition was controlled you began losing weight utilizing the same caloric deficit method that we speak of. You're getting yourself all wound up defending something you want to make out to be bigger than it really is as there are a large number of us who have the very same condition you do. Your condition doesn't exempt you from CICO, it requires further regulation that you could not manage solely from nutrition. /story0
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Thanks queenliz99, you're the only one who hasn't ignored my comment on my own post lol
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This computer doesnt have sound so I will have to watch it when I get home
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Im hoping it's just a "fluctuation" due to it being the beginning of a new diet, the way I was eating before was the same, just too much as I couldnt budge... Im hoping it will drop in a week or two. The doctor is sending me back for more blood tests to see what my hormone cycle is up to. I will start using my food scales over measuring from now on (boyfriend thinks im mental for measuring every little thing I eat lol)
Did your doc tell you to get the blood tests on a certain day in relation to your menstrual cycle? If so, that's why you're getting more tests - because doing those blood tests at a specific point in your cycle helps them rule in/out certain medical issues (like the one everyone else is busy arguing over, PCOS). I just wanted to say good luck to you!
Oh, and you actually don't need sound for that video if I remember correctly. I don't have sound on my work computer either and I remember being disappointed that I waited until I got home because it turns out I didn't need it haha
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queenliz99 wrote: »
I think you're probably thinking of this video clip from a longer program by the BBC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9AdlhB18o
The entire program is worth watching, but this clip captures it.
Osric0
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