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  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    For me, aiming to hit my calorie and macro goals, steered me naturally towards a diet of more whole and natural foods, and I learnt to love variety. I love food now, instead of struggle with cravings. (Thank you, MFP!)
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?
  • SuggaD
    SuggaD Posts: 1,369 Member
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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Thoughts?

    my thoughts are that carbs aren't this great demon that the diet and fitness industry is currently making them out to be...

    most people who eat anything remotely resembling the SAD could stand to balance out their diets a bit more by moderating carbohydrate intake to an extent...and more important could stand to make better decisions overall in RE to what makes up the bulk of their carbohydrate intake...but carbs aren't this evil thing that everyone seems to want to make them out to be.

    there are a lot of healthy, nutritious sources of carbohydrates. my diet is largely inspired by the Mediterranean diet...the foundation of which is nutritious sources of carbohydrates like veggies and fruit, whole grains, legumes, potatoes, etc...

    and in RE to medical conditions, my dad was a type II diabetic and I worked with him and his dietitian for a couple of years...she never even suggested low carb...better choices? yes. moderating intake? yes...but she never suggested in anyway that my dad needed to go low carb or keto to keep his diabetes under control. in MFP land though, it seems a given that any medical condition auto requires keto...it's all pretty ridiculous IMO.

    This is why you're on my friend list. :-)
  • Azuriaz
    Azuriaz Posts: 785 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    You can also track vitamins and minerals. Very important, especially for those who don't take a multivitamin. Even more important if you're vegan and only taking B12.

  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    You can also track vitamins and minerals. Very important, especially for those who don't take a multivitamin. Even more important if you're vegan and only taking B12.

    Even then, MFP only tracks Vitamins A and C, and iron and calcium.
  • Azuriaz
    Azuriaz Posts: 785 Member
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    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    You can also track vitamins and minerals. Very important, especially for those who don't take a multivitamin. Even more important if you're vegan and only taking B12.

    Even then, MFP only tracks Vitamins A and C, and iron and calcium.

    Yeah, but I wasn't going to mention there are better sites for that. Now that you've mentioned it, there are. Of course in the future MFP might also allow us to track those things, too. Would be great!

  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    You can also track vitamins and minerals. Very important, especially for those who don't take a multivitamin. Even more important if you're vegan and only taking B12.

    Even then, MFP only tracks Vitamins A and C, and iron and calcium.

    Yeah, but I wasn't going to mention there are better sites for that. Now that you've mentioned it, there are. Of course in the future MFP might also allow us to track those things, too. Would be great!

    There are better sites than MFP for a lot of things. This is no secret.

    :lol:
  • sadiebrawl
    sadiebrawl Posts: 863 Member
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    If I don't eat some carbs, I have no energy to run. I do find if I eat to much I get super bloated though, so it's usually apple/pb or few crackers/cheese, tater at dinner...
  • dubird
    dubird Posts: 1,849 Member
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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Thoughts?

    my thoughts are that carbs aren't this great demon that the diet and fitness industry is currently making them out to be...

    most people who eat anything remotely resembling the SAD could stand to balance out their diets a bit more by moderating carbohydrate intake to an extent...and more important could stand to make better decisions overall in RE to what makes up the bulk of their carbohydrate intake...but carbs aren't this evil thing that everyone seems to want to make them out to be.

    there are a lot of healthy, nutritious sources of carbohydrates. my diet is largely inspired by the Mediterranean diet...the foundation of which is nutritious sources of carbohydrates like veggies and fruit, whole grains, legumes, potatoes, etc...

    and in RE to medical conditions, my dad was a type II diabetic and I worked with him and his dietitian for a couple of years...she never even suggested low carb...better choices? yes. moderating intake? yes...but she never suggested in anyway that my dad needed to go low carb or keto to keep his diabetes under control. in MFP land though, it seems a given that any medical condition auto requires keto...it's all pretty ridiculous IMO.


    I'll have to see if I can find it, but there's an article linking to some studies done that about 1% of the population actually has a medical need to have little to no carbs. My husband is T2 and he restricts his carb intake, but that's all part of his overall glucose intake and nothing else. So yeah, you'll end up with a lot of people self-diagnosing that they need a low carb diet when they really just need to eat less overall. ><

    Low carb right now is another fad diet that will fade over time that people will try because they want a quick fix. Yeah, it can work for some people, but some people are perfectly happy cutting out carbs. If you're not, you're just going to make yourself miserable.
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
    edited September 2015
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    dubird wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Thoughts?

    my thoughts are that carbs aren't this great demon that the diet and fitness industry is currently making them out to be...

    most people who eat anything remotely resembling the SAD could stand to balance out their diets a bit more by moderating carbohydrate intake to an extent...and more important could stand to make better decisions overall in RE to what makes up the bulk of their carbohydrate intake...but carbs aren't this evil thing that everyone seems to want to make them out to be.

    there are a lot of healthy, nutritious sources of carbohydrates. my diet is largely inspired by the Mediterranean diet...the foundation of which is nutritious sources of carbohydrates like veggies and fruit, whole grains, legumes, potatoes, etc...

    and in RE to medical conditions, my dad was a type II diabetic and I worked with him and his dietitian for a couple of years...she never even suggested low carb...better choices? yes. moderating intake? yes...but she never suggested in anyway that my dad needed to go low carb or keto to keep his diabetes under control. in MFP land though, it seems a given that any medical condition auto requires keto...it's all pretty ridiculous IMO.


    I'll have to see if I can find it, but there's an article linking to some studies done that about 1% of the population actually has a medical need to have little to no carbs. My husband is T2 and he restricts his carb intake, but that's all part of his overall glucose intake and nothing else. So yeah, you'll end up with a lot of people self-diagnosing that they need a low carb diet when they really just need to eat less overall. ><

    Low carb right now is another fad diet that will fade over time that people will try because they want a quick fix. Yeah, it can work for some people, but some people are perfectly happy cutting out carbs. If you're not, you're just going to make yourself miserable.

    There is some research out there showing that the amount of carbs you consume may drastically change your results -- that they are not absolutely *needed* but that you could yield better results from different carb amounts.

    For example, there was a study done a couple years ago with obese women who were insulin resistant and those who were insulin sensitive. The insulin sensitive women lost nearly twice as much weight with more carbs. It was the exact opposite for the insulin resistant women. They lost nearly twice as much with less carbs. The protein and caloric deficits were the same across all groups -- so same amount of calories proportionally, but how they created their respective deficits yielded dramatically different results.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.79/full

    Almost half of the US adult population has insulin resistance (at prediabetic or diabetic levels) and the vast majority of them don't know it. That's why it can feel like a magic bullet or a small miracle for people who didn't realize they were insulin resistant and reduce carbs and see dramatically improved results.

    If I could lose nearly twice as much weight by simply adjusting my carbs, I'd definitely want to know about that! So even if you don't *need* to adjust your carbs, it may make sense to do so to get better results -- either up or down, depending on your individual circumstances.

  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    Track exercise? The forums? The friends?

    While it can be used to track macros, you can also remove all macros from the list of things being counted so it's no more a macro counting site than it is a micro counting site.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Thoughts?

    ...and in RE to medical conditions, my dad was a type II diabetic and I worked with him and his dietitian for a couple of years...she never even suggested low carb...better choices? yes. moderating intake? yes...but she never suggested in anyway that my dad needed to go low carb or keto to keep his diabetes under control. in MFP land though, it seems a given that any medical condition auto requires keto...it's all pretty ridiculous IMO.

    I have prediabetes. My endocrinologist's only advice was eat leaner meats and more fruits and veggies (carbs). Eat more carbs? Hmm, no. In my experience, doctors do not always give ideal advice, espeially when it comes to nutrition.

    Eating a low, or lower, carb diet, along with losing excess weight and starting an exercise program (even if just walking) is considered to be pretty standard advice for diabetics now a days. It works for most diabetics, and may prevent the need for medications to be given.

    Ketosis is a vLCHF diet that is also proven to help diabetics, but many do not want to try it or have not heard of it.

    I don't think I've seen anyone say that all diabetics, or anyone with a medical condition requires keto, but the diet can help many health problems and people.
  • Azuriaz
    Azuriaz Posts: 785 Member
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    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Azuriaz wrote: »
    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    You can also track vitamins and minerals. Very important, especially for those who don't take a multivitamin. Even more important if you're vegan and only taking B12.

    Even then, MFP only tracks Vitamins A and C, and iron and calcium.

    Yeah, but I wasn't going to mention there are better sites for that. Now that you've mentioned it, there are. Of course in the future MFP might also allow us to track those things, too. Would be great!

    There are better sites than MFP for a lot of things. This is no secret.

    :lol:

    I do think this site has, hands down, the best forum and friends list possibilities for those who need a community, though. Best I've found, anyway. I really get motivated with forum back and forth, including the fun silly threads.

  • lodro
    lodro Posts: 982 Member
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    Unless you have specific health conditions, low carb is totally unnecessary for losing weight.

    I hope you're realizing that we're approaching a time when up to 50% of a population may have these specific health issues, sometimes as early as the age of three.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    Track exercise? The forums? The friends?

    While it can be used to track macros, you can also remove all macros from the list of things being counted so it's no more a macro counting site than it is a micro counting site.

    Okay, while I understand that there are other uses for the site, I guess I don't understand why someone would come into the forums and question why others would find it helpful to track macros and/or calories.

    But then again, there are some people on this forum who seem to need 2 argue with every other poster in almost every thread.

    I guess I'll just never understand.
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    Track exercise? The forums? The friends?

    While it can be used to track macros, you can also remove all macros from the list of things being counted so it's no more a macro counting site than it is a micro counting site.

    Okay, while I understand that there are other uses for the site, I guess I don't understand why someone would come into the forums and question why others would find it helpful to track macros and/or calories.

    But then again, there are some people on this forum who seem to need 2 argue with every other poster in almost every thread.

    I guess I'll just never understand.

    I think the point is that yes, tracking of cals/macros is a useful part of this site. But it's not the ONLY useful purpose -- some come for many other reasons too, and that's okay. So some may not choose to use the cal/macro tracking feature and still reap considerable value from this site.

  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,413 MFP Moderator
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    Why obsess about carbs, protein and fat when all you have to do is eat a wide variety of whole/unprocessed foods. I've been there and it was a colossal waste of time with no lasting results. Just eat real food and be active. The end.

    Why would you be on a calorie/macro tracking website if you weren't going to track your macros/calories?

    Track exercise? The forums? The friends?

    While it can be used to track macros, you can also remove all macros from the list of things being counted so it's no more a macro counting site than it is a micro counting site.

    Okay, while I understand that there are other uses for the site, I guess I don't understand why someone would come into the forums and question why others would find it helpful to track macros and/or calories.

    But then again, there are some people on this forum who seem to need 2 argue with every other poster in almost every thread.

    I guess I'll just never understand.
    I call shenanigans!! That would never happen...



    /sarcasm
  • goldthistime
    goldthistime Posts: 3,214 Member
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    Carbs. I like them and I like barely feeling like I'm on a diet.

    I used to be a little annoyed when people would say "This isn't a diet, it's a lifestyle". I would think, "Oh really? You plan on maintaining a calorie deficit the rest of your life? IT'S A DIET." But my deficit is set so low now that it IS more like a "rest of my life" eating style than it is a diet. So I am practising those good habits, and I will have to change very little when I get to maintenance. To me it makes more sense than switching to low carb for a period of time and then having to figure out how to reincorporate carbs without regaining weight.

    Otoh, if I ever have an event where I felt pressure to look my skinniest, I think I would low carb for a week or two before.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,413 MFP Moderator
    edited September 2015
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    There is some research out there showing that the amount of carbs you consume may drastically change your results -- that they are not absolutely *needed* but that you could yield better results from different carb amounts.

    For example, there was a study done a couple years ago with obese women who were insulin resistant and those who were insulin sensitive. The insulin sensitive women lost nearly twice as much weight with more carbs. It was the exact opposite for the insulin resistant women. They lost nearly twice as much with less carbs. The protein and caloric deficits were the same across all groups -- so same amount of calories proportionally, but how they created their respective deficits yielded dramatically different results.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2005.79/full

    Almost half of the US adult population has insulin resistance (at prediabetic or diabetic levels) and the vast majority of them don't know it. That's why it can feel like a magic bullet or a small miracle for people who didn't realize they were insulin resistant and reduce carbs and see dramatically improved results.

    If I could lose nearly twice as much weight by simply adjusting my carbs, I'd definitely want to know about that! So even if you don't *need* to adjust your carbs, it may make sense to do so to get better results -- either up or down, depending on your individual circumstances.


    I am not sure if you went through the whole study because what you are saying and what the study is saying are slightly different, but this is what I found most interesting.

    Among the IR individuals, those randomized to the LC/HF hypocaloric diet lost 13.4 ± 1.3% (11.1 ± 1.1 kg) of their initial BW as compared with 8.5 ± 1.4% (7.4 ± 1.0 kg) lost in those randomized to the HC/LF hypocaloric diet (p = 0.02 for diet effect within the IR group). In contrast, IS individuals randomized to the HC/LF hypocaloric diet lost 13.5 ± 1.2% (11.3 ± 1.0 kg) of their initial BW, whereas those randomized to the LC/HF hypocaloric diet lost 6.8 ± 1.2% (6.2 ± 1.0 kg) of their initial weight (p < 0.001 for diet effect within the IS group).

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    Those with IR, did respond better to LCHF (as expected and demonstrated by most of those with PCOS/IR on this board) but those with IS did much better on HCLF.


    Also, keep in mind that they acknowledge some limitations to the study.. 1. small sample size, 2. while they provided the food, it was not in a metabolic ward and people could have either increase TEA or over reported the food they ate.

    I guess which group does those with diabetes and pre-diabetes fall into. Even looking at our forum, and this thread, you can see the differences in method with those who have those.