9 days detox! Who's in
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Op, I'm really proud of you for admitting you where not logging accurately . just get back to using your food scale again and you'll be fine
No need for any ridiculous cleanses, fads and all that . 0 -
jaydawg0792 wrote: »Have any of yous heard of [snip]
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Thank you all for your advice and input. I guess sometimes we try to be in denial that we fell off the wagon some how and try to find excuses or try something faster per say. I needed this wake up call. I lost 82 lbs sticking to my measuring and logging I should just stick back to it. I really appreciate all the comments
Good to see you respond favorably to the advice here OP, it's refreshing!
Out of curiosity, why did you stop weighing and logging in the first place, if it worked for you? Losing 82 lbs is no small feat!
I guess I just got too comfortable hahahahha0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
Do vegans hate you?
Pretty sure that question is high on their list of most hated questions. If you don't eat meat where do you get protein from?
Yeah first step should always be to recheck your logging, making sure you weighing and being accurate, when you stop losing for a bit.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
Do vegans hate you?
Pretty sure that question is high on their list of most hated questions. If you don't eat meat where do you get protein from?
Yeah first step should always be to recheck your logging, making sure you weighing and being accurate, when you stop losing for a bit.
OP said she was only going to eat fruits and vegetables. Vegans typically eat more than that (beans, grains, tofu, seitan, tempeh, etc) so that is why the question usually seems silly to us. Anyone who only eats fruits and vegetables is probably going to struggle meeting their protein needs.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Thank you all for your advice and input. I guess sometimes we try to be in denial that we fell off the wagon some how and try to find excuses or try something faster per say. I needed this wake up call. I lost 82 lbs sticking to my measuring and logging I should just stick back to it. I really appreciate all the comments
Good to see you respond favorably to the advice here OP, it's refreshing!
Out of curiosity, why did you stop weighing and logging in the first place, if it worked for you? Losing 82 lbs is no small feat!
I guess I just got too comfortable hahahahha
Do what works for you, but agree that the entire detox thing just isn't going to help.
I've been too lazy to weigh food myself, but at my weight and goals it's worked so far. But I just leave a few extra calories and increase my deficit some extra at times to compensate for lack of logging accuracy. This will probably have to change once I reach a maintenance weight so I don't yo-yo up and down.0 -
tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
You get protein from tofu, legions, lentils stuff like that. That's what the book says too
But you are only eating fruit and veg for nine days....
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.0 -
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.0 -
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
Well, then you're just wrong.
You do need dietary protein. About 50-60 grams daily absolute minimum for a normal weight adult (0.8 grams per kg of bodyweight). And more than that is recommended, especially when losing weight.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/0 -
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
How do you propose getting those "9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein" then?0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
How do you propose getting those "9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein" then?
Quinoa has all of them, no animals involved.0 -
I'm fairly certain that my inability to properly express myself is leading people who agree with me to argue with me.
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
How do you propose getting those "9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein" then?
Quinoa has all of them, no animals involved.
I hate to break it to you, but quinoa contains protein.
We need protein. It doesn't have to be from animal products, but we do need it.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
How do you propose getting those "9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein" then?
Quinoa has all of them, no animals involved.
So how is eating quinoa (and the protein it contains) not dietary protein?0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
Do vegans hate you?
Pretty sure that question is high on their list of most hated questions. If you don't eat meat where do you get protein from?
Yeah first step should always be to recheck your logging, making sure you weighing and being accurate, when you stop losing for a bit.
@Merkavar
That's a very strange comment my friend!
Do vegans hate me? No idea - why would they?
Considering I didn't even mention meat that would seem a very peculiar reaction.
I didn't shoot Bambi's mother....
Seemed a reasonable question when someone is just eating unspecified "fruit and veggies".
Most vegans I've met put quite a bit of effort into ensuring they combine incomplete protein sources to cover all needs. But didn't actually see any indication that this discussion was about being vegan at all.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
Do vegans hate you?
Pretty sure that question is high on their list of most hated questions. If you don't eat meat where do you get protein from?
Yeah first step should always be to recheck your logging, making sure you weighing and being accurate, when you stop losing for a bit.
@Merkavar
That's a very strange comment my friend!
Do vegans hate me? No idea - why would they?
Considering I didn't even mention meat that would seem a very peculiar reaction.
I didn't shoot Bambi's mother....
Seemed a reasonable question when someone is just eating unspecified "fruit and veggies".
Most vegans I've met put quite a bit of effort into ensuring they combine incomplete protein sources to cover all needs. But didn't actually see any indication that this discussion was about being vegan at all.
"Protein combining" is a outdated dietary theory, a relic of the 1960s and 1970s -- our body does a good job of combining them, so assuming our diet has any kind of variety, we should be fine. As long ago as 1988, the ADA (the largest professional association of dietary professionals) amended its position paper to conclude that it wasn't necessary for vegetarian/vegan health.
You should tell your vegan friends that the effort is unnecessary and encourage them to refrain from spreading this myth about plant-based diets. This doesn't mean that vegans don't need protein -- like all humans, we do. It just means that we don't have to worry about "combining" certain foods to get what we need.0 -
I'm fairly certain that my inability to properly express myself is leading people who agree with me to argue with me.
I suspect this is the case. Seems to me you are saying that we do need protein in our diet, just not from animal sources.
You edited your one post after it had been read. That can create issues.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm fairly certain that my inability to properly express myself is leading people who agree with me to argue with me.
I suspect this is the case. Seems to me you are saying that we do need protein in our diet, just not from animal sources.
You edited your one post after it had been read. That can create issues.
I also did a lousy job of explaining my point. I should've said we don't need complete proteins, like from animal sources, and we can do perfectly fine with incomplete proteins, like most plants, as long as we get the essential amino acid profile in our diet.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm fairly certain that my inability to properly express myself is leading people who agree with me to argue with me.
I suspect this is the case. Seems to me you are saying that we do need protein in our diet, just not from animal sources.
You edited your one post after it had been read. That can create issues.
I also did a lousy job of explaining my point. I should've said we don't need complete proteins, like from animal sources, and we can do perfectly fine with incomplete proteins, like most plants, as long as we get the essential amino acid profile in our diet.
Precision is important when making claims like "we don't need protein." There's a lot of people on here who will jump at the chance to point out you're wrong. I guessed you meant animal-sourced protein, but I thought I'd make sure we were clear on it. Welcome to MFP and good luck!0 -
christinev297 wrote: »
Thank you for the link. I know our liver and organs in general take care of that stuff I reached a plateau with my weight loss so I thought trying 9 days of only fruit and vegetable, which is called the detox phase 1 in the book, would probably kick start my weight loss again!
And where would the protein you need come from during this phase?
Protein is essential and doubly important when dieting.
Please reconsider.
Do vegans hate you?
Pretty sure that question is high on their list of most hated questions. If you don't eat meat where do you get protein from?
Yeah first step should always be to recheck your logging, making sure you weighing and being accurate, when you stop losing for a bit.
@Merkavar
That's a very strange comment my friend!
Do vegans hate me? No idea - why would they?
Considering I didn't even mention meat that would seem a very peculiar reaction.
I didn't shoot Bambi's mother....
Seemed a reasonable question when someone is just eating unspecified "fruit and veggies".
Most vegans I've met put quite a bit of effort into ensuring they combine incomplete protein sources to cover all needs. But didn't actually see any indication that this discussion was about being vegan at all.
yeah i wasn't being serious
You asked where will you get protein from if all you eat is fruit and veg. I was just trying to make a joke about how that's a common question asked of vegans that apparently annoys them. I thought the use of smiley faces would make it clear I was joking. guess not.
Just ignore me.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »
You don't need protein. You need the 9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein. We don't use animal proteins as they're ingested. We break them down and use the parts.
This is a very weird statement. I'm fairly certain from physiology class that we need on a long-term basis to consume "essential amino acids" for our heart to continue to function. These essential amino acids are typically eaten in meat and plants. Your statement makes me confused. We break down ALL proteins we eat. "Protein" is just a word that means "long chain of amino acids."
Are you saying we don't need to eat animal products to get protein? If that's what you're saying, then yes I agree. But if you're saying we don't need to eat "long chain amino acids," then I definitely disagree.
Yes, I was saying we don't need dietary protein from animals. I thought the rest of my post put that into context. My apologies.
How do you propose getting those "9 or 11 amino acids your body lacks to make protein" then?
Quinoa has all of them, no animals involved.
I hate to break it to you, but quinoa contains protein.
We need protein. It doesn't have to be from animal products, but we do need it.
I hate to have to interject here as this guy obviously does not like meat (And for the record if we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made out of meat), but when he mentions the word protein, he clearly means just animal protein.
It is of course one of the best sources, but there are other non 'proper animal' sources.
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