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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.
It's not assinine. And it's not about being flawless. It has nothing at all to do with race, stature, gender or attractiveness.
It's about willingly and knowingly giving a disease (obesity) to and raising the risk for numerous other diseases for someone you claim to love.
It's ridiculous to compare health with what you see in the mirror.
any person can be unhealthy and still love who they are. Those are two different things. Focusing solely on the body and discussing it in this way (and causing lurkers to see it as well) is going to cause disordered thinking.
I agree. Which is why I never mentioned her body, only her health. Those are two different things.
I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese.
That is a direct quote from your post - that is a direct comment on her body.
Obesity is a disease.
What does that have to do with the bold?
Everything. My post (the entire post, not the cherry picked bolded part) had nothing to do with looks or body size. It had to do with disease. Obesity is a disease. Obesity increases your risk of numerous other diseases. To love yourself and be obese doesn't seem possible to me. It seems a huge contradiction. I would never willingly give anyone I love a disease.
Understand?
Cancer is a disease too. Can't love myself if I have cancer?
So is mental illness. I have anxiety and I still love myself - I just strive for change.
You can love yourself and want to change for the better.
Did you knowingly give yourself cancer or anxiety? It seems you are being obtuse for arguments sake, but your last sentence is true.
Its not always a conscious thing you know as it goes for the latter. I have a friend who developed anorexia. she didnt do it knowingly she was just trying to lose weight from being Obese and just took things to the extreme when she was no longer losing the weight she'd grown accustomed to. Eventually you do notice the changes but often its too late to make it an easy switch back to fixing it.0 -
Ugh...not Nicole Arbor thats a whole nother can of worms I don't want to get into.. -__- ; Two words. shock value0
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I see a greater issue with people watching TV in general than taking issue with one show.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I finally got your point. You are suggesting that people who are obese should become mentally ill by engaging in self-loathing since they have given themselves the disease of obesity.
You clearly haven't thought through your stance.
Loving yourself does not mean you accept your disease state as the status quo.
Nope, your first sentence is 100% incorrect. But I suspect you know that. Otherwise you wouldn't need to restate my position using your own words. (if you are referring to me)
No, I don't know that. I am trying to understand your point by piecing together your statements and putting forth my understanding of your position.
You stated you didn't understand how anyone who was obese could love themselves, and then you started putting forth the argument that obesity was a self-caused disease.I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
You are conflating loving yourself with accepting and loving the condition. They are two separate things and concepts.
My body is not my sense of self. In fact, I'd posit that no one should tie their body to their sense of self or self-worth, otherwise the disabled would have a pretty tough row to hoe.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I finally got your point. You are suggesting that people who are obese should become mentally ill by engaging in self-loathing since they have given themselves the disease of obesity.
You clearly haven't thought through your stance.
Loving yourself does not mean you accept your disease state as the status quo.
Nope, your first sentence is 100% incorrect. But I suspect you know that. Otherwise you wouldn't need to restate my position using your own words. (if you are referring to me)
No, I don't know that. I am trying to understand your point by piecing together your statements and putting forth my understanding of your position.
You stated you didn't understand how anyone who was obese could love themselves, and then you started putting forth the argument that obesity was a self-caused disease.I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
You are conflating loving yourself with accepting and loving the condition. They are two separate things and concepts.
My body is not my sense of self. In fact, I'd posit that no one should tie their body to their sense of self or self-worth, otherwise the disabled would have a pretty tough row to hoe.
I don't understand why you can't understand that I'm not talking about what a body looks like.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I finally got your point. You are suggesting that people who are obese should become mentally ill by engaging in self-loathing since they have given themselves the disease of obesity.
You clearly haven't thought through your stance.
Loving yourself does not mean you accept your disease state as the status quo.
Nope, your first sentence is 100% incorrect. But I suspect you know that. Otherwise you wouldn't need to restate my position using your own words. (if you are referring to me)
No, I don't know that. I am trying to understand your point by piecing together your statements and putting forth my understanding of your position.
You stated you didn't understand how anyone who was obese could love themselves, and then you started putting forth the argument that obesity was a self-caused disease.I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
You are conflating loving yourself with accepting and loving the condition. They are two separate things and concepts.
My body is not my sense of self. In fact, I'd posit that no one should tie their body to their sense of self or self-worth, otherwise the disabled would have a pretty tough row to hoe.
I don't understand why you can't understand that I'm not talking about what a body looks like.
Because when you use the words 'morbidly obese' you are referring to a person's body.0 -
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I watched quite a few episodes. She does exercise! And she can *kitten* dance like it's nobody's business! I feel bad for her because of people like you who have nothing better to do with their time than talk *kitten*.0
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Here's a pic of her instructing her Dance/ workout class. Your welcome. People should really be ashamed of themselves and as a woman talking down about other women who are trying to empower and stop the fat shaming even more so!0 -
Don't confuse her exercising and dancing with claiming to be healthy at 380lbs just because she hasn't had any health issues showing yet. Again you won't find any medical organization that would agree with that.JessicaJS23 wrote: »I watched quite a few episodes. She does exercise! And she can *kitten* dance like it's nobody's business! I feel bad for her because of people like you who have nothing better to do with their time than talk *kitten*.
I support her stance on body shaming. I've seen it in every gym I've ever worked in, out in public, and through social media and it's insensitive to the people it's directed at.
However my OP was her stance on HAES, not body image.
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »For other people like myself that never heard of her, I found the following picture online. You're Welcome.
You sir are an *kitten*
That really wasn't nice
Not quite sure why it was okay for her to post a pic of her but you're an asterisk for doing so. :laugh:0 -
PurringMyrrh wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »For other people like myself that never heard of her, I found the following picture online. You're Welcome.
You sir are an *kitten*
That really wasn't nice
Not quite sure why it was okay for her to post a pic of her but you're an asterisk for doing so. :laugh:
I was confused too. She clearly posed for both pictures.0 -
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Lol, I was just about to add, "Next comes the 'oh, but it was his tone and the way he worded it' responses."0
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »For other people like myself that never heard of her, I found the following picture online. You're Welcome.
You sir are an *kitten*
That really wasn't nice
Not quite sure why it was okay for her to post a pic of her but you're an asterisk for doing so. :laugh:
She wasn't posting the pic to make fun of herself. He was, the "you're welcome" made that clear. While name calling is not nice and should not be done, neither is fat shaming and making fun of people. It's shallow and just cruel.
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Why does she have a show? I wanna be on tv0
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Nice language.0 -
It's not about her body or her life. It's about her HAES message. "Healthy At Every Size" isn't a reality at 380lbs, even for a professional athlete who's 6 feet tall.
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HawleyGriffin wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »
Nice assumption. You don't even know me enough to know what I did or did not say. And I stand by my...not even worth it, not in the slightest. Good day sir.
I know enough that you jump to conclusions. And instead of having the decency of apologizing, you are running off. Speaks volumes about your character.
Running off is the easiest thing to do after you've just accused people of being judgemental, then judged them in the very next breath.
You've never shamed anyone in this thread or any other that I've seen. Coming from a fat girl, you've always been friendly and supportive.0 -
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PurringMyrrh wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »JessicaJS23 wrote: »HawleyGriffin wrote: »For other people like myself that never heard of her, I found the following picture online. You're Welcome.
You sir are an *kitten*
That really wasn't nice
Not quite sure why it was okay for her to post a pic of her but you're an asterisk for doing so. :laugh:
She wasn't posting the pic to make fun of herself. He was, the "you're welcome" made that clear. While name calling is not nice and should not be done, neither is fat shaming and making fun of people. It's shallow and just cruel.
Ah, I missed the comment.
Yeah, he wanted to make sure his fat shaming was on record.
To be fair, when I read the "you're welcome", I took as it was obvious people were going to want to see who this chic was...just sayin'. Just an outsider perspective...0 -
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So you're just here to derail the topic? Pretty sure that's against the rules. Let me guess: you don't give a 'asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk' about the rules either, right?0 -
That wasn't the point - the point was that it's a violation of ToS.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »I finally got your point. You are suggesting that people who are obese should become mentally ill by engaging in self-loathing since they have given themselves the disease of obesity.
You clearly haven't thought through your stance.
Loving yourself does not mean you accept your disease state as the status quo.
Nope, your first sentence is 100% incorrect. But I suspect you know that. Otherwise you wouldn't need to restate my position using your own words. (if you are referring to me)
No, I don't know that. I am trying to understand your point by piecing together your statements and putting forth my understanding of your position.
You stated you didn't understand how anyone who was obese could love themselves, and then you started putting forth the argument that obesity was a self-caused disease.I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
You are conflating loving yourself with accepting and loving the condition. They are two separate things and concepts.
My body is not my sense of self. In fact, I'd posit that no one should tie their body to their sense of self or self-worth, otherwise the disabled would have a pretty tough row to hoe.
I don't understand why you can't understand that I'm not talking about what a body looks like.
Because when you use the words 'morbidly obese' you are referring to a person's body.
And health. And I clarified repeatedly what I meant, so to continue to make it about aesthetics is all you. ALL you.0 -
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