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Someone sent me a video of Whitney Thore on FB and I was one of the few who commented that while she dances fine (she was a dance competitor before gaining weight), her disregard of her weight (almost 400lbs) and not trying to lose weight, might send the wrong message. I'm not saying that one CAN'T happy while being heavy, but at her weight, there is eventually going to be health issues. And health issues have nothing to do with body acceptance. It has to do with being overweight enough to cause health issues.
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Bring on the fat-shaming comments0
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Fat shaming would be using being fat as reasons that aren't valid. EX: lazy, non ambitious, etc. Mine was DIRECTLY related to health and you won't find any medical journal or science journal that will condone being very overweight/obese as leading a healthy lifestyle and combating health issues.ValerieMartini2Olives wrote: »Bring on the fat-shaming comments
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Fat shaming would be using being fat as reasons that aren't valid. EX: lazy, non ambitious, etc. Mine was DIRECTLY related to health and you won't find any medical journal or science journal that will condone being very overweight/obese as leading a healthy lifestyle and combating health issues.ValerieMartini2Olives wrote: »Bring on the fat-shaming comments
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I wasn't necessarily referring to you. But you know it's coming.
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Weak individuals will use any "message" to continue doing things detrimental to their health (or any other aspect of life). Obesity as a whole is a much larger problem than the fat acceptance movement.
The presence of marijuana doesn't stop me from watching Wiz Khalifa music videos. Since it's illegal in my state, I don't partake. However, it's easy for parents with pothead children to say "It's that blasted Wiz Khalifa and Snoop Doggy Dog making him smoke the marijuana cigarettes."0 -
She obviously loves to dance and for her size moves pretty well. But the body isn't made to hold 400lbs of mass and move like that. She may be able to do it now (and we have no idea if she's in any chronic pain or not), but it's only a matter of time till joint issues happen. It happens with competitive dancers who are thin._incogNEATo_ wrote: »Weak individuals will use any "message" to continue doing things detrimental to their health (or any other aspect of life). Obesity as a whole is a much larger problem than the fat acceptance movement.
The presence of marijuana doesn't stop me from watching Wiz Khalifa music videos. Since it's illegal in my state, I don't partake. However, it's easy for parents with pothead children to say "It's that blasted Wiz Khalifa and Snoop Doggy Dog making him smoke the marijuana cigarettes."
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What ever makes a person happy. Each to their own but, don't expect no consequence for any action. Either way.0
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Very talented, but definitely not healthy or attractive.0
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Unfortunately she doesn't believe that health at that weight is an issue. She opines that one can be obese and healthy.PurringMyrrh wrote: »Very talented, but definitely not healthy or attractive.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Weak individuals will use any "message" to continue doing things detrimental to their health (or any other aspect of life). Obesity as a whole is a much larger problem than the fat acceptance movement.
The presence of marijuana doesn't stop me from watching Wiz Khalifa music videos. Since it's illegal in my state, I don't partake. However, it's easy for parents with pothead children to say "It's that blasted Wiz Khalifa and Snoop Doggy Dog making him smoke the marijuana cigarettes."
"She was living in a single room w/ 3 other individuals, one of them was a male, and the other two, well hell the other two were females. God only knows what they were up to in there, and furthermore Susan I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn that all four of them habitually smoked marijuana cigarettes..... reefers!!"
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I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.0
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Isn't dancing exercise?0
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She does apparently have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome which even with exercise causes her to gain rapid weight.
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Yes, but just exercising doesn't cause one to get obese. That's still about calorie surplus.Blankly4200 wrote: »Isn't dancing exercise?
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PCOS can be helped with the assistance of an endocrinologist. Not all women gain weight who are diagnosed PCOS, however having PCOS does result in slower weight loss. It still comes down to calories in/out.She does apparently have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome which even with exercise causes her to gain rapid weight.
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Have you watched her show on TLC? Recently she has been trying to lose weight, she is very aware that she is on the verge of diabetes. Her No Body Shame campaign is for ALL body types, not only obese. It includes everything from lazy eyes to war veterans with amputations. I never heard her say that she's truly happy with her weight, only that she wants herself and other people to love themselves no matter what your body looks like at the moment. She might make a joke about it here or there but nothing serious. I'm not big on this "body acceptance" movement going around but it frustrates me when people assume that it is about not caring you are fat- It's not the same thing.0
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Ninerbuff I have to agree with you. She is all about accepting her "big fat fabulous life", but she is seriously neglecting her health. Yes she has PCOS, but CICO still comes into effect she isn't burning off more than she eats period. In other words she need to eat less. I get it I have hypothyroidism and it is harder for somebody with certain health issues to lose but it is very possible. You have to be willing to make adjustments. It seems like she isn't even trying to get to a healthier weight.0
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Char231023 wrote: »Ninerbuff I have to agree with you. She is all about accepting her "big fat fabulous life", but she is seriously neglecting her health. Yes she has PCOS, but CICO still comes into effect she isn't burning off more than she eats period. In other words she need to eat less. I get it I have hypothyroidism and it is harder for somebody with certain health issues to lose but it is very possible. You have to be willing to make adjustments. It seems like she isn't even trying to get to a healthier weight.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »Ninerbuff I have to agree with you. She is all about accepting her "big fat fabulous life", but she is seriously neglecting her health. Yes she has PCOS, but CICO still comes into effect she isn't burning off more than she eats period. In other words she need to eat less. I get it I have hypothyroidism and it is harder for somebody with certain health issues to lose but it is very possible. You have to be willing to make adjustments. It seems like she isn't even trying to get to a healthier weight.
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That is fine if she wants to eat herself to death. I just don't want to watch it on tv.0 -
Char231023 wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Char231023 wrote: »Ninerbuff I have to agree with you. She is all about accepting her "big fat fabulous life", but she is seriously neglecting her health. Yes she has PCOS, but CICO still comes into effect she isn't burning off more than she eats period. In other words she need to eat less. I get it I have hypothyroidism and it is harder for somebody with certain health issues to lose but it is very possible. You have to be willing to make adjustments. It seems like she isn't even trying to get to a healthier weight.
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That is fine if she wants to eat herself to death. I just don't want to watch it on tv.
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Exactly whats MsJules said. Have any of u actually watched her show.0
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I think this discussion might be more fruitful if you distinguished between issues you have with the concept of HAES and singling out any individual who advocates for it. It's too easy when you do the latter to conflate that with fat shaming.
I fundamentally disagree with HAES. I don't think you can have health at any size. You can hope to have healthy habits at any size, but obesity will always be a ticking time bomb. I think this is what you're trying to say.0 -
MsJulesRenee wrote: »Have you watched her show on TLC? Recently she has been trying to lose weight, she is very aware that she is on the verge of diabetes. Her No Body Shame campaign is for ALL body types, not only obese. It includes everything from lazy eyes to war veterans with amputations. I never heard her say that she's truly happy with her weight, only that she wants herself and other people to love themselves no matter what your body looks like at the moment. She might make a joke about it here or there but nothing serious. I'm not big on this "body acceptance" movement going around but it frustrates me when people assume that it is about not caring you are fat- It's not the same thing.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.0 -
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I love her! Trying to lose weight and trying to lose weight while having PCOS are 2 very different battles. I've been there. It sucks! And like her I learned to be happy in my own skin, regardless of my size. The fact people would be upset about that truly pisses me off!!! Why are overweight people not allowed to be happy? Why can't we go on dates or out dancing? And heavens *kitten* forbid we get caught having a good time!!!! We are fat right! We should be at home eating carrot sticks or running on the treadmill until we have become socially acceptable to be happy in public.
Whitney struggles, she has never hidden that fact. But because she goes out and has pizza with her friend or fights with her dad about eating a freaking sandwich she must not be trying. She does more in one day then most of my skinny friends do in a week. You can be skinny and happy, fat and happy, poor and happy, rich and happy..... But you have no business deciding who is and isn't allowed to be happy in the life they have.0 -
Never heard of her, but sometimes people make stupid comments as a self-defense mechanism. She knows she needs to lose weight and get healthy.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.
It's not assinine. And it's not about being flawless. It has nothing at all to do with race, stature, gender or attractiveness.
It's about willingly and knowingly giving a disease (obesity) to and raising the risk for numerous other diseases for someone you claim to love.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.
It's not assinine. And it's not about being flawless. It has nothing at all to do with race, stature, gender or attractiveness.
It's about willingly and knowingly giving a disease (obesity) to and raising the risk for numerous other diseases for someone you claim to love.
It's ridiculous to compare health with what you see in the mirror.
any person can be unhealthy and still love who they are. Those are two different things. Focusing solely on the body and discussing it in this way (and causing lurkers to see it as well) is going to cause disordered thinking.0
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