Look what fast food & ice cream have done to my cholesterol

Onesnap

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

Life's too short to cut out all junk food and fast food.

I think the OP was misunderstanding what I was saying.

I was under the impression the OP was eating fast food several times per week and every single week.

He decides what he puts in his body. He's proud to support chains and large corporations.

I love junk food! I would never advocate giving up what you love completely (in fact experts always say that deprivation diets do not work). I'm just saying you vote with your wallet and the OP enjoys supporting chains. Of course they are tasty--I never said they were not.

If I'm going to eat a plate of fried takeout I'm going to be at Bob's Clam Hut or Ted's Clams. Enjoying my local seafood fried in cholesterol free oil. To each their own, right? My fries made with love by a business that's been around since the 1950s tastes better anyway.

sam308lbs

Fantastic work Op! You look great :drinker:
Could you tell me your height and approx LBM ??

jonnythan

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

Life's too short to cut out all junk food and fast food.

I think the OP was misunderstanding what I was saying.

I was under the impression the OP was eating fast food several times per week and every single week.

He decides what he puts in his body. He's proud to support chains and large corporations.

I love junk food! I would never advocate giving up what you love completely (in fact experts always say that deprivation diets do not work). I'm just saying you vote with your wallet and the OP enjoys supporting chains. Of course they are tasty--I never said they were not.

If I'm going to eat a plate of fried takeout I'm going to be at Bob's Clam Hut or Ted's Clams. Enjoying my local seafood fried in cholesterol free oil. To each their own, right? My fries made with love by a business that's been around since the 1950s tastes better anyway.

You have a very emotional relationship with food, it seems. You talk about fast food as "junk food" over and over, and how horrible the "corporate machines" are. Then you talk about the local places that "make fries with love" or whatever.

All this stuff you post is in very charged, emotional language that borders on propaganda. It's not very rational, and you're clearly uninterested in logic and reason when it comes to this stuff. Your very word choice affirms that your mind is made up and no amount of evidence or logic could sway you from these strongly-held opinions.

If you want to think that a grilled chicken sandwich from McDonald's once a week would negatively affect your body chemistry, so be it. It's illogical, irrational, and unsupported by any plausible mechanism (let alone any actual science). But you go right ahead and do it. Whatever it takes for you.

jonnythan

Fantastic work Op! You look great :drinker:
Could you tell me your height and approx LBM ??

I'm just a hair under 5'9 with about 132 lbs of LBM.

Onesnap

I just want to see the OP post some articles that show that eating fast food every single week make you really healthy.

Because this is all I found so far in my searching:

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/fast-food-nutrition-junk-foods-effect-on-your-body.html

http://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/7-surprising-ways-junk-food-makes-you-miserable

and why some people eat junk food without gaining weight:

http://healthyliving.msn.com/diseases/heart-and-cardiovascular/can-you-be-thin-and-still-eat-junk-food-1

[Don't get me wrong--I love fast food and junk food just as much as the next person...and yes in moderation you can be a healthy weight and eat junk food and fast food. I'm just asking for proof. The OP has posted his own blood test results, and has lost weight. I just have not seen any science to show that I could be healthy on a regular diet of junk food--just using my personal example that I posted earlier in this feed--trying to prevent cancer and keep my husband in remission. Being healthy is more than just a healthy weight.]

I see you are referring to fast food as "junk food" over and over.

Well it is junk food in many cases. Fast food from a large corporation is junk. The majority of fast food chains support factory farming. The only one I can think of that does not is Chipotle.

Fast food from a small family owned restaurant that's supporting the local economy and the local food economy (see my Bob's Clam Hut example) is not actually junk food. It's fast food made with love, local ingredients, and cholesterol free oil.

An Applebee's microwaving my pasta is serving me junk food that arrives on a truck and is not actually cooked. It's just microwaved in a plastic bag. Not made with love. Not made by a 3rd generation business.

Not saying my way is better...but I sure am saying that when I'm at a picnic table enjoying my fried food takeout from a small family business that's fast food that sure as heck is delicious and supports a small business. My fast food is superior.

IHOP is not even a real breakfast out...I had a tasty homecooked breakfast for $8 this past weekend. Heck, they even made their own corned beef hash. Felt awesome and went for a walk on the beach afterwards. Cheap, homemade, and fast.

AmIhealthyyet

Excellent job! I recently stopped 'diets' as I continued to gain more and more weight. I seemed to always be on a diet or breaking a diet. I could tell you all the benefits of the zillion of diets out there. I am 50 now but back when I was a chubby 14 years old I went on my first 'diet'. I went from 140 to 110 (I was 5'2"" then). I did it by having two meals a day that I totally enjoyed. Some days these meals were huge, some days not. Some days they were junk some days not. I kept this weight off by eating this way until about 7 years ago when I decided to become "healthy". I gained 60 pounds and developed a major diet brain, obsessing over all the 'healthy' diets. I don't promote eating just junk, I promote eating food you enjoy and do physical activity. People have stated when they eat bad their workout suffers, that is a problem for me too but more of a problem was feeling I could never enjoy those so called bad foods.

Onesnap

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

Life's too short to cut out all junk food and fast food.

I think the OP was misunderstanding what I was saying.

I was under the impression the OP was eating fast food several times per week and every single week.

He decides what he puts in his body. He's proud to support chains and large corporations.

I love junk food! I would never advocate giving up what you love completely (in fact experts always say that deprivation diets do not work). I'm just saying you vote with your wallet and the OP enjoys supporting chains. Of course they are tasty--I never said they were not.

If I'm going to eat a plate of fried takeout I'm going to be at Bob's Clam Hut or Ted's Clams. Enjoying my local seafood fried in cholesterol free oil. To each their own, right? My fries made with love by a business that's been around since the 1950s tastes better anyway.

You have a very emotional relationship with food, it seems. You talk about fast food as "junk food" over and over, and how horrible the "corporate machines" are. Then you talk about the local places that "make fries with love" or whatever.

All this stuff you post is in very charged, emotional language that borders on propaganda. It's not very rational, and you're clearly uninterested in logic and reason when it comes to this stuff. Your very word choice affirms that your mind is made up and no amount of evidence or logic could sway you from these strongly-held opinions.

If you want to think that a grilled chicken sandwich from McDonald's once a week would negatively affect your body chemistry, so be it. It's illogical, irrational, and unsupported by any plausible mechanism (let alone any actual science). But you go right ahead and do it. Whatever it takes for you.

Yep. I work on a farm so I'm emotional about food.

I'm glad that you love your large chain corporate fast food. I'm glad it's worked for you.

There's better options out there (that are also cheap).

Please don't say that I speak in propaganda. At least I do my best to support local businesses...

Please note I'm not dissing your fast food I'm just explaining that you continue to do what you do--there's just better fast food out there.

bcattoes

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

If you eat ice cream, you don't eat Paleo.

jonnythan

Yep. I work on a farm so I'm emotional about food.

I'm glad that you love your large chain corporate fast food. I'm glad it's worked for you.

There's better options out there (that are also cheap).

Please don't say that I speak in propaganda. At least I do my best to support local businesses...

Please note I'm not dissing your fast food I'm just explaining that you continue to do what you do--there's just better fast food out there.

Well, that explains that.

I have no interest in making judgments about the health of food based on how the economic issues involved in its production make me feel emotionally.

You do. Thanks for your input. Your conclusions about the health of food are all based on irrational emotional decisions and not actual reality.

_noob_

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

If you eat ice cream, you don't eat Paleo.

so hypothetically she could eat mostly "paleo' and eat 1-2 servings of ice cream once in a while. Why would it matter to anyone that that's "not paleo".

Yanicka1

Oh my god....you will die healthy!!!!

Lol I have the same results you do with the added fact that I have a family history of hypercholesterolemy and heart attack at 45 for women on my mother side.

Onesnap

All this stuff you post is in very charged, emotional language that borders on propaganda. It's not very rational, and you're clearly uninterested in logic and reason when it comes to this stuff. Your very word choice affirms that your mind is made up and no amount of evidence or logic could sway you from these strongly-held opinions.

If you want to think that a grilled chicken sandwich from McDonald's once a week would negatively affect your body chemistry, so be it. It's illogical, irrational, and unsupported by any plausible mechanism (let alone any actual science). But you go right ahead and do it. Whatever it takes for you.

How is anything that I've said not "rational"?

Of course my mind is made up.

I don't enjoy eating factory farmed meat. You do.

I do enjoy fast food and takeout, but I enjoy it more when it's from a small local source (using local seafood in my clam hut example).

I never said that fast food and takeout adversely affects your health (it sure has not in my house, we are both healthy weights).

Can you imagine how much $ you would have put into the local economy if you had taken every dollar you spent in a large corporate chain and put it towards a small family restaurant? How is that not logical? How is that irrational.

My apologies for being so passionate about this topic. There's a lot of statistics out there about spending $1 at a local family owned business and how it impacts the economy locally. If you call that propaganda, that's fine. I call it supporting a small business and not a large greedy corporation.

Bry_Fitness70

My opposition to regularly eating at places like Taco Bell and McDonalds goes beyond just cholesterol concerns– most of fast food is prepared using the cheapest ingredients possible, handled by ambivalent kids making minimum wage that don’t care about food quality, cleanliness, or freshness. It’s great that you are able to control your cholesterol eating like that, but is the taste & convenience really worth shoveling that garbage into your body?

Fast food restaurants, as a whole, have a stellar track record on safety. That's simply not an issue. The level of standardization and control of the food chain from farm to counter is astonishing. From personal observation as well as talking to the people I know who have worked foodservice, cleanliness at most fast food joints is at least as good, if not significantly better, than locally-owned restaurants where you can't see the kitchen and profits are razor-thin.

And you can call it "garbage" but that doesn't make it so. I'm not really sure how you define "garbage" though. I look at food in terms of nutrients, not some emotional judgment based on the label or sign.

(I assume we are talking about general fast food (burgers, fries, tacos, chicken nuggets, etc.) and not healthy items like salads or grilled chicken, as having low cholesterol after eating the latter types of foods would not be remarkable)

Have you ever looked into how Chicken McNuggets are made? Check it out on Youtube, slaughterhouse floor scraps are combined together into a big pink pasty goo, dyed white, pressed into nugget shapes, breaded, frozen, thawed, deep fried, placed under a heat lamp, and served up with pride by Beavis after he just cleaned the toilets in the men’s room.

Nearly all fast food meat is filled with antibiotics and hormones, the cheese is processed / artificially colored/filled with preservatives, almost all of the food is smothered in salt and fried or deep fried in fatty oils, the buns & taco shells have 20-30 ingredients (should only need 3-4), I could go on and on, Many fast foods do not decompose, bacteria and mold just aren’t interested in them.

I was raised on fast food and do occasionally eat it (it does taste damn good), but I’m under no illusion about what I’m eating – garbage.

jonnythan

I never said that fast food and takeout adversely affects your health (it sure has not in my house, we are both healthy weights).

Let me remind you:

not all of us would have such healthy read-outs in the annual medical tests if we ate fast food every single week.

Also:

Can you imagine how much $ you would have put into the local economy if you had taken every dollar you spent in a large corporate chain and put it towards a small family restaurant? How is that not logical? How is that irrational.

The problem is that you're forming opinions about the health effects of certain types of food based on how you think of them emotionally and economically.

bcattoes

I just want to see the OP post some articles that show that eating fast food every single week make you really healthy.

Because this is all I found so far in my searching:

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/fast-food-nutrition-junk-foods-effect-on-your-body.html

http://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/diet-tips/7-surprising-ways-junk-food-makes-you-miserable

and why some people eat junk food without gaining weight:

http://healthyliving.msn.com/diseases/heart-and-cardiovascular/can-you-be-thin-and-still-eat-junk-food-1

[Don't get me wrong--I love fast food and junk food just as much as the next person...and yes in moderation you can be a healthy weight and eat junk food and fast food. I'm just asking for proof. The OP has posted his own blood test results, and has lost weight. I just have not seen any science to show that I could be healthy on a regular diet of junk food--just using my personal example that I posted earlier in this feed--trying to prevent cancer and keep my husband in remission. Being healthy is more than just a healthy weight.]

I see you are referring to fast food as "junk food" over and over.

Well it is junk food in many cases. Fast food from a large corporation is junk. The majority of fast food chains support factory farming. The only one I can think of that does not is Chipotle.

Fast food from a small family owned restaurant that's supporting the local economy and the local food economy (see my Bob's Clam Hut example) is not actually junk food. It's fast food made with love, local ingredients, and cholesterol free oil.

An Applebee's microwaving my pasta is serving me junk food that arrives on a truck and is not actually cooked. It's just microwaved in a plastic bag. Not made with love. Not made by a 3rd generation business.

Not saying my way is better...but I sure am saying that when I'm at a picnic table enjoying my fried food takeout from a small family business that's fast food that sure as heck is delicious and supports a small business. My fast food is superior.

IHOP is not even a real breakfast out...I had a tasty homecooked breakfast for $8 this past weekend. Heck, they even made their own corned beef hash. Felt awesome and went for a walk on the beach afterwards. Cheap, homemade, and fast.

Wow! Seriously.

jonnythan

Have you ever looked into how Chicken McNuggets are made? Check it out on Youtube, slaughterhouse floor scraps are combined together into a big pink pasty goo, dyed white, pressed into nugget shapes, breaded, frozen, thawed, deep fried, placed under a heat lamp, and served up with pride by Beavis after he just cleaned the toilets in the men’s room.

This is completely, absolutely, 100% wrong.

Nearly all fast food meat is filled with antibiotics and hormones

Did you know it's illegal to use antibiotics and hormones on chickens and pigs?

Many fast foods do not decompose, bacteria and mold just aren’t interested in them.

This is presumably about the McD's burger that dried up and didn't mold. Did you know the exact same thing happens with a burger you make at home? If you don't put condiments on it, the meat and bread dry up before mold can grow. A McD's burger with ketchup molds just like a home-cooked one.

Literally the only ingredients in a McD's hamburger patty are ground beef, with salt and pepper added at the time of cooking.

So, please. Take your misinformation and BS and lies to another thread. Thanks.

jonnythan

I have no interest in making judgments about the health of food based on how the economic issues involved in its production make me feel emotionally.

You do. Thanks for your input. Your conclusions about the health of food are all based on irrational emotional decisions and not actual reality.

Not once was I judging you, OP.

I never said a single word about you judging me. I'm talking about you judging the health effects of the food based on emotion.

You've consistently demonstrated a lack of either ability or willingness to understand the posts I'm making, so I'm done speaking to you.

Again, thanks for your input.

brower47

Well it is junk food in many cases. Fast food from a large corporation is junk. The majority of fast food chains support factory farming. The only one I can think of that does not is Chipotle.

Fast food from a small family owned restaurant that's supporting the local economy and the local food economy (see my Bob's Clam Hut example) is not actually junk food. It's fast food made with love, local ingredients, and cholesterol free oil.

An Applebee's microwaving my pasta is serving me junk food that arrives on a truck and is not actually cooked. It's just microwaved in a plastic bag. Not made with love. Not made by a 3rd generation business.

Not saying my way is better...but I sure am saying that when I'm at a picnic table enjoying my fried food takeout from a small family business that's fast food that sure as heck is delicious and supports a small business. My fast food is superior.

IHOP is not even a real breakfast out...I had a tasty homecooked breakfast for $8 this past weekend. Heck, they even made their own corned beef hash. Felt awesome and went for a walk on the beach afterwards. Cheap, homemade, and fast.

1. Love: Where does that fit into my macros? Cholesterol free oil: There's nothing wrong with dietary cholesterol (excepting special medical cases).

2. Since when do microwaves NOT cook food? And there's no love in microwave cooking?

3. No, you're saying your way is made with love and love is all you need. It doesn't matter if the nutritional content of my burger made at home with love is identical from the burger from McDonalds. Unless your love is adding a little extra protein? Your fast food is only superior within your mind.

4. If I'm ending my fast with food, it is a real breakfast no matter where I eat it, who made it or how much love they did or did not add while cooking it. If I ate it, it broke my fast and is thus a real breakfast. If you hadn't taken that walk on a beach but on a treadmill, would it then have not been a really walk? Because you know, that treadmill wasn't made with love.

Achrya

Well it is junk food in many cases. Fast food from a large corporation is junk. The majority of fast food chains support factory farming. The only one I can think of that does not is Chipotle.

Fast food from a small family owned restaurant that's supporting the local economy and the local food economy (see my Bob's Clam Hut example) is not actually junk food. It's fast food made with love, local ingredients, and cholesterol free oil.

An Applebee's microwaving my pasta is serving me junk food that arrives on a truck and is not actually cooked. It's just microwaved in a plastic bag. Not made with love. Not made by a 3rd generation business.

Not saying my way is better...but I sure am saying that when I'm at a picnic table enjoying my fried food takeout from a small family business that's fast food that sure as heck is delicious and supports a small business. My fast food is superior.

IHOP is not even a real breakfast out...I had a tasty homecooked breakfast for $8 this past weekend. Heck, they even made their own corned beef hash. Felt awesome and went for a walk on the beach afterwards. Cheap, homemade, and fast.

1. Love: Where does that fit into my macros? Cholesterol free oil: There's nothing wrong with dietary cholesterol (excepting special medical cases).

2. Since when do microwaves NOT cook food? And there's no love in microwave cooking?

3. No, you're saying your way is made with love and love is all you need. It doesn't matter if the nutritional content of my burger made at home with love is identical from the burger from McDonalds. Unless your love is adding a little extra protein? Your fast food is only superior within your mind.

4. If I'm ending my fast with food, it is a real breakfast no matter where I eat it, who made it or how much love they did or did not add while cooking it. If I ate it, it broke my fast and is thus a real breakfast. If you hadn't taken that walk on a beach but on a treadmill, would it then have not been a really walk? Because you know, that treadmill wasn't made with love.

I don't see Love in the MFP database. Too bad, my one and only rule for what I can and can't eat is: Can't eat it if I can't log it.

Onesnap

Nearly all fast food meat is filled with antibiotics and hormones

Did you know it's illegal to use antibiotics and hormones on chickens and pigs?


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Wow, you have a lot to learn. Here's one example of what is showing up in poultry: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/antibiotics-chicken_b_1461058.html

Oh and this:

(I'll re-quote this part in case you don't read until the end: "To prevent any residues of antibiotics in chicken meat, any given antibiotics are required to have a "withdrawal" period before they can be slaughtered. Samples of poultry at slaughter are randomly tested by the FSIS, and shows a very low percentage of residue violations.")

Antibiotics have been used on poultry in large quantities since the 1940s, when it was found that the byproducts of antibiotic production, fed because the antibiotic-producing mold had a high level of vitamin B12 after the antibiotics were removed, produced higher growth than could be accounted for by the vitamin B12 alone. Eventually it was discovered that the trace amounts of antibiotics remaining in the byproducts accounted for this growth.[42]

The mechanism is apparently the adjustment of intestinal flora, favoring "good" bacteria while suppressing "bad" bacteria that provoke inflammation of the gut mucosa. So, the goal of antibiotics as a growth promoter is the same as for probiotics. Because the antibiotics used are not absorbed by the gut, they do not put antibiotics into the meat or eggs.[43]

Antibiotics are used routinely in poultry for this reason, and also to prevent and treat disease. Many contend that this puts humans at risk as bacterial strains develop stronger and stronger resistances.[44] Critics point out that, after six decades of heavy agricultural use of antibiotics, opponents of antibiotics must still make arguments about theoretical risks, since actual examples are hard to come by[citation needed]. All antibiotic-resistant strains of human diseases whose origin is known originated in hospitals rather than farms[citation needed].

A proposed bill in the United States Congress would make the use of antibiotics in animal feed legal only for therapeutic (rather than preventative) use, but it has not been passed.[45] However, this may present the risk of slaughtered chickens harboring pathogenic bacteria and passing them on to humans that consume them.

In October 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) discovered that two antibiotics were no longer effective in treating diseases found in factory-farmed chickens; one antibiotic was swiftly pulled from the market, but the other, Baytril, was not. Bayer, the company which produced it, contested the claim and as a result, Baytril remained in use until July 2005.[46]

To prevent any residues of antibiotics in chicken meat, any given antibiotics are required to have a "withdrawal" period before they can be slaughtered. Samples of poultry at slaughter are randomly tested by the FSIS, and shows a very low percentage of residue violations [47]

CorvusCorax77

Title is trolling. John's posts are mostly bragging and inflammatory. But what he actually does is worth talking about. So it's a bit of a shame.

John is the most awesomest troll I have ever met.. he SHOULD brag. Cuz awesome is.

jonnythan

My bad, antibiotics are allowed to be used on sick chickens, provided they are not slaughtered untilt he antibiotics have left their system.

Hormones are 100% banned in chickens.

Onesnap

Well it is junk food in many cases. Fast food from a large corporation is junk. The majority of fast food chains support factory farming. The only one I can think of that does not is Chipotle.

Fast food from a small family owned restaurant that's supporting the local economy and the local food economy (see my Bob's Clam Hut example) is not actually junk food. It's fast food made with love, local ingredients, and cholesterol free oil.

An Applebee's microwaving my pasta is serving me junk food that arrives on a truck and is not actually cooked. It's just microwaved in a plastic bag. Not made with love. Not made by a 3rd generation business.

Not saying my way is better...but I sure am saying that when I'm at a picnic table enjoying my fried food takeout from a small family business that's fast food that sure as heck is delicious and supports a small business. My fast food is superior.

IHOP is not even a real breakfast out...I had a tasty homecooked breakfast for $8 this past weekend. Heck, they even made their own corned beef hash. Felt awesome and went for a walk on the beach afterwards. Cheap, homemade, and fast.

1. Love: Where does that fit into my macros? Cholesterol free oil: There's nothing wrong with dietary cholesterol (excepting special medical cases).

2. Since when do microwaves NOT cook food? And there's no love in microwave cooking?

3. No, you're saying your way is made with love and love is all you need. It doesn't matter if the nutritional content of my burger made at home with love is identical from the burger from McDonalds. Unless your love is adding a little extra protein? Your fast food is only superior within your mind.

4. If I'm ending my fast with food, it is a real breakfast no matter where I eat it, who made it or how much love they did or did not add while cooking it. If I ate it, it broke my fast and is thus a real breakfast. If you hadn't taken that walk on a beach but on a treadmill, would it then have not been a really walk? Because you know, that treadmill wasn't made with love.

I don't see Love in the MFP database. Too bad, my one and only rule for what I can and can't eat is: Can't eat it if I can't log it.

You guys are just talking silly talk.

I microwave my lunch daily. Of course it is just food.

And obviously the OP does not know it all because he said it's illegal to use antibiotics when raising commercial chicken. And it's not.

Walking on the treadmill or the beach is still walking.

You can't log "made with love" but I'm guessing my takeout has more "love" than yours.

LaurenAOK

New favorite post.

I am currently trying out paleo because I genuniely enjoy eating that way (most of the time ) but up until now I've never cut out "junk" food and reached all my fitness goals so far just fine.

You will never take my ice cream away from me. EVER.

And anyone who tells me differently is wrong :happy:

If you eat ice cream, you don't eat Paleo.

Quite aware of that. That's why I said I'm "trying it out." I hope to eat a mostly-paleo diet in the long run, but I will never completely give up ice cream. It will just be a rare treat.

Onesnap

My bad, antibiotics are allowed to be used on sick chickens, provided they are not slaughtered untilt he antibiotics have left their system.

Hormones are 100% banned in chickens.

ah ha! There you go...admitting you were wrong. Thank you.

alwaysgreen17

This is why we're friends.

Great job. I'm not sure your diet and exercise plan would work for everyone but thank you for showing that it CAN work for some. I haven't changed what I have been eating, moreso the proportions and upping my exercise from 3-4 days/week to 5-6. I have lost 6 lbs so far!

CorvusCorax77

oh and I didn't pay attention at all to the posts but on the debate about healthy vs unhealthy food...

I just feel better when I eat more veggies and less crap. That doesn't mean I expect everyone to be like me. It also doesn't mean that I never eat "crap." Also, pizza has perfect macros. And it's all about balance in the end (for me).

I'm not a fan of guilt.

Onesnap

I never said that fast food and takeout adversely affects your health (it sure has not in my house, we are both healthy weights).

Let me remind you:

not all of us would have such healthy read-outs in the annual medical tests if we ate fast food every single week.

Also:

Can you imagine how much $ you would have put into the local economy if you had taken every dollar you spent in a large corporate chain and put it towards a small family restaurant? How is that not logical? How is that irrational.

The problem is that you're forming opinions about the health effects of certain types of food based on how you think of them emotionally and economically.

Here's the local economy example: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1903632,00.html.

There's nothing wrong with being emotional about your food choices and supporting local businesses. 99% of Americans do buy factory farmed meat, after all. So you fall into the 99%--so what? At the end of the day you're the one that has to live with the choices that you make and the food you put in your body.

I stand by everything I've said thus far that you nicely re-quoted for me.

Not everyone can eat fast food every week. Some folks that REALLY have to watch their weight or are pre-diabetic as an example cannot eat fast food every week.

jonnythan

Not everyone can eat fast food every week. Some folks that REALLY have to watch their weight or are pre-diabetic as an example cannot eat fast food every week.

Please quit posting ridiculous lies in my success stories thread. At this point you are simply trolling and harassing.

Go start your own success story thread.

WeepingAngel81

I'm still stuck on waiting for the towel to drop.

Anyway..... You do look great and I'm glad you're able to eat what you want and still be healthy. I am not one of those people. I really wish I could eat out more often, but it just doesn't sit on me right. As with anything, there is a balance between "clean" foods and unclean foods. There isn't anything wrong with enjoying an ice cream when you want it....though not as many people are are as lucky as you are being able to eat it every day. Totally jealous.