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asimmons26 wrote: »Back to the calories are not equal. This is very simple. You eat 100 calories of French fries and I will eat 100 calories of veggies. Then let's see who has more energy. You can google not all calories are equal and find a ton of information backing this. The information I gave as to not all calories being equal was just a very quick statement without going into complex digestion and energy process of different foods. Your energy level has everything to do with how your lose weight.
The calories are equal... nutritionally they are different and have different impacts from a thermal effect of food standpoint.
Cholesterol - did you realize the USDA removed cholesterol from nutrition labels because the lack of evidence that would suggest dietary cholesterol increases serum cholesterol.
Rice - have you really ever done a comparison (same brand) of white rice vs brown rice? We are talking same calories, 1g difference in fiber and pretty much the exact some nutritionally.
Fast food - Not all fast food restaurants are nutritionally lacking like they have in the past. I mean, do you even Chipotle? I generally hit up Chipotle, Cava Mezza Grill, or Chickfila once a week. All have very healthy and nutritionally dense foods. And even looking at places like McDonalds, they have made huge sweeping changings in offering both their classic choices and very nutritionally dense foods (found this out while on the road. Had the ranch bacon chicken salad and loved it).0 -
thorsmom01 wrote: »Wow, she never did explain her qualifications and experience. Maybe the lack thereof explains her comments?
I thought the same.
Anyone can copy and paste from websites. That shows me a lot when someone admits they've taken the words directly from a website ( and especially a website that is known for woo )
Yup. And FYI I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with having minimal experience - no matter what we do, we all started somewhere! I'm just curious because it could give us (well, me, anyway) perspective. And frankly be a bit transparent about if she likely has as much to learn from the community, as she does to teach it
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asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
I don't have any qualifications, but I was under the impression that 'skinny fat' was just when you have a relatively low weight but a high body fat percentage. Never heard it defined as anything to do with the 'right foods' or eating 'clean'.0 -
Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before0
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lemonlionheart wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
I don't have any qualifications, but I was under the impression that 'skinny fat' was just when you have a relatively low weight but a high body fat percentage. Never heard it defined as anything to do with the 'right foods' or eating 'clean'.
Your definition is correct.. the OP's isn't.0 -
pipmcgrath wrote: »Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before
Probably should start your own thread so you can specific answers without hijacking this thread.0 -
lemonlionheart wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
I don't have any qualifications, but I was under the impression that 'skinny fat' was just when you have a relatively low weight but a high body fat percentage. Never heard it defined as anything to do with the 'right foods' or eating 'clean'.
Correct, that's what skinny fat refers to. Low body weight, high body fat %. Generally when strength work has been ignored during weight loss. So LBM has been lost a long with BF.
Just out of interest asimmons, would you also suggest east smaller meals 5 or 6 times a day or not eating after 8pm. Both normal bro science "gym trainer" stuff I hear.0 -
Last year I tried the "eat clean but don't count calories" strategy. You've never seen a healthier diet in terms of food choices...I ate primarily veggies, healthy fats like nuts and avocado, I ate quinoa daily no refined carbs, no trans fats, no fast food, no sugar, etc...I lost no weight which I guess made it great for maintenance...but considering I was over 200 pounds, I'd say maintenance really wasn't my goal. Now I count calories (but still concern myself greatly with getting plenty of micronutrients because I want my body to function better and not just lose weight) and I'm losing weight.0
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asimmons26 wrote: »Back to the calories are not equal. This is very simple. You eat 100 calories of French fries and I will eat 100 calories of veggies. Then let's see who has more energy. You can google not all calories are equal and find a ton of information backing this. The information I gave as to not all calories being equal was just a very quick statement without going into complex digestion and energy process of different foods. Your energy level has everything to do with how your lose weight.
Sigh. Do you think that 100 cals matters either way? It doesn't.
"All calories are not equal" is a poor statement to communicate something a bit more complex while stating a falsehood. What you really should be saying is "dietary macro and micronutrient distribution matters and should be aligned to goals, variety and freshness will improve dietary quality, certain food preparations should be eating with low frequency" but it doesn't have the same sound bite as "all calories are not created equal".
Energy wise, I'll take those 100 cal fries without a problem because my diet and activity level is sufficient to allow for that discretion. I probably would also take the 100 cals of veggies.
You're right that energy level, mood and satiety have a lot to do with how we lose weight, unfortunately your arguments need much work before they are accurate or convincing. "Go google", isn't a good supporting element to your position.0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Most calorie strategies for weight loss have a downfall. The reason is all calories are not created equal. Your best bet is to just worry about eating clean and drinking half your body weight in ounces of water each day. Your BMR doesn't stay the same. (As you stated) The better fit or unfit you become you would need to recalculate everything. Temperature also changes your BMR so to go strictly off of a calculation like TDEE would need to be an estimate only. Don't even bother with that. Stay away from whites (rice, bread, pasta). These should only be eaten for special occasions. Replace these with Ezekiel bread, quinoa, etc. Get creative with your veggies, no butter. Your veggies should be the biggest portion on your plate.
Just so we're clear, you think you're the one that's going to be doing the teaching, right?
I suspect it's going to go just slightly...say, 180 degrees...from that.
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asimmons26 wrote: »No, a calorie is not created equal. Your body treats the foods you eat differently. A protein burns slower than a carb. This is because it takes 20% to 30% more energy to burn that calorie. Energy in is just as complex as energy out. You can look it up if you would like.
It seems to me that you are confusing "calories" with "food." Of course foods are different and your body gets different things out of different foods and the TEF for different foods is different (you can't generalize about the TEF of carbs, since there is a huge variety, but protein -- which is a component of various foods -- tends to have a higher TEF and fat tends to have the lowest TEF).Refined carbs are usually something that people easily over eat. This would be your whites (pasta, white bread, etc).
Often, but it depends on the person. I never overeat pasta or rice, for example, and it makes no difference whether it's white or not. I'm just not that into plain starches and eat both for whatever I eat with them (which usually includes lean meat and vegetables).
Also, saying stay away from "white foods" always strikes me as silly, because stuff like cottage cheese and cauliflower and vanilla or plain protein powder is white too.Butter is another additive people use too much of.
Eh, depends on the person, again. It's really not helpful to generalize. Even when I was getting fat (I've lost the weight) I overused olive oil, not butter, on my veggies (and I ate a lot of them).0 -
Don't think I was hijacking anything! Was replying to the original posters post!pipmcgrath wrote: »Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before
Probably should start your own thread so you can specific answers without hijacking this thread.
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lemonlionheart wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
I don't have any qualifications, but I was under the impression that 'skinny fat' was just when you have a relatively low weight but a high body fat percentage. Never heard it defined as anything to do with the 'right foods' or eating 'clean'.
Yes -- I believe it refers to normal weight obesity. In other words, when you are a normal weight but still have an overweight or obese BF%.0 -
pipmcgrath wrote: »
Don't think I was hijacking anything! Was replying to the original posters post!pipmcgrath wrote: »Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before
Probably should start your own thread so you can specific answers without hijacking this thread.
Oh nvm.. I forgot she did offer to answer advice.. just ignore me, lol
1. If you don't have a food scale, get one.
2. If you don't log daily (can't see your food dairy), that would also generally be a point of issue for people doing calorie counting.0 -
lemonlionheart wrote: »asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
I don't have any qualifications, but I was under the impression that 'skinny fat' was just when you have a relatively low weight but a high body fat percentage. Never heard it defined as anything to do with the 'right foods' or eating 'clean'.
I'm glad I kept reading to see if this had been mentioned before posting it myself. "Skinny fat" is more likely low lbm than dietary choice.0 -
Last year I tried the "eat clean but don't count calories" strategy. You've never seen a healthier diet in terms of food choices...I ate primarily veggies, healthy fats like nuts and avocado, I ate quinoa daily no refined carbs, no trans fats, no fast food, no sugar, etc...I lost no weight which I guess made it great for maintenance...but considering I was over 200 pounds, I'd say maintenance really wasn't my goal. Now I count calories (but still concern myself greatly with getting plenty of micronutrients because I want my body to function better and not just lose weight) and I'm losing weight.
Ultimately, it's always about calories. I've bulked eating the cleanest of clean foods (at a caloric surplus) and I've cut eating mostly
Fast food (at a caloric deficit).0 -
pipmcgrath wrote: »
Don't think I was hijacking anything! Was replying to the original posters post!pipmcgrath wrote: »Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before
Probably should start your own thread so you can specific answers without hijacking this thread.
Oh nvm.. I forgot she did offer to answer advice.. just ignore me, lol
1. If you don't have a food scale, get one.
2. If you don't log daily (can't see your food dairy), that would also generally be a point of issue for people doing calorie counting.
Patience, psulemon. I am certain your services will yet be needed in this thread.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »pipmcgrath wrote: »
Don't think I was hijacking anything! Was replying to the original posters post!pipmcgrath wrote: »Looking for some advice re calorie counting. I lost nearly 7 stone and got to target. Got gallstones, had to have my gallbladder removed and gained 2 stone. Trying now to lose a stone of that and I literally have stayed the same weight for 6 months. I'm back in the gym again and eating between 1400 & 1600 calories a day, more at the weekends which is usually white spirits. Any thoughts or things to try? I focus on eating vegetables with low fat protein. I do eat white carbs and chocolate in moderation. I am relunctant to totally cut them out as I want a more balanced approach than before
Probably should start your own thread so you can specific answers without hijacking this thread.
Oh nvm.. I forgot she did offer to answer advice.. just ignore me, lol
1. If you don't have a food scale, get one.
2. If you don't log daily (can't see your food dairy), that would also generally be a point of issue for people doing calorie counting.
Patience, psulemon. I am certain your services will yet be needed in this thread.
I got excited and jumped the gun... ha!0 -
thorsmom01 wrote: »Wow, she never did explain her qualifications and experience. Maybe the lack thereof explains her comments?
I thought the same.
Anyone can copy and paste from websites. That shows me a lot when someone admits they've taken the words directly from a website ( and especially a website that is known for woo )
Yup. And FYI I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with having minimal experience - no matter what we do, we all started somewhere! I'm just curious because it could give us (well, me, anyway) perspective. And frankly be a bit transparent about if she likely has as much to learn from the community, as she does to teach it
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If the reference is that a calorie is not equal to an other calorie, your statement is incorrect. I could put a liter of water in a car gas tank and it would be disasterous, but it would STILL be a liter of water. It's true that macro nutrients are treated different in the body once it's absorbed, however the caloric VALUE by number is still a calorie.asimmons26 wrote: »No, a calorie is not created equal. Your body treats the foods you eat differently. A protein burns slower than a carb. This is because it takes 20% to 30% more energy to burn that calorie. Energy in is just as complex as energy out. You can look it up if you would like.
Physical activity burns more calories and increases energy output thereby causing the body to sweat to cool it even if the temperature outside is much cooler than the body. Doesn't necessarily mean that BMR increases significantly due to physical exercise. Lots of people who do steady state cardio don't see significant raises in BMR.BMR is not temperature neutral. For every 0.5 degree celsius increase in internal body temperature, the BMR increases approximately 7%. Physical activity significantly increases body temper
So you're saying eating fructose doesn't raise insulin? Or consuming protein doesn't either? If so, you're not well versed in nutrition.Refined carbs are usually something that people easily over eat. This would be your whites (pasta, white bread, etc). The reason is because the body absorbs these simple sugars relatively quickly and a few hours later you are hungry again. The body increases blood sugar, triggers a release of insulin and you eat again. It is MUCH better to get your carbs from fruit, veggies, legumes. These carbs are higher in volume and tends to be more filling.
Eggs are moderate in cholesterol, too. As well a seafood. And while olive oil has many benefits, having butter in moderation isn't going to derail someone's health.Butter is another additive people use too much of. While it has fats (trans fat) it is also high in cholesterol. Most butter people consume is also loaded with sodium and induces the need for more. Olive oil is a better alternative since while it still has fats, it actually has additional benefits including lowering ldl and triglycerides, it is rich in antioxidants, especially vitamin e. The fats in olive oil are monounsaturated which doesn't oxidize in the body and its lower in polyunsaturated fat which does oxidize in the body. It also reduces blood pressure. So....why use butter when you can get actual health benefits from olive oil?
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Actually you were just asked how many calories one should eat based on TDEE and you provided the basic broscience that just about every fitness trainer echoes. Which usually means that your knowledge of nutrition is pretty limited.asimmons26 wrote: »Just adding to my earlier post. At the beginning of this, I was asked about losing weight and suggesting how to get there. If anyone wants to eat empty calories or not make the most of what they consume then that's their prerogative. My suggestions are healthy choices which are much more beneficial to the body. Your body needs nutrients to feel satisfied and without nutrients you over eat bc your body still hasn't received what it needs.
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Anecdotes aren't evidence. And googling something doesn't prove it. There's lots of articles written by "gurus" of exercise that have no background in nutrition or physiology. Peer reviewed clinical studies provide more accurate information. And a calorie is a calorie. No Journal of Science will dispute that.asimmons26 wrote: »Back to the calories are not equal. This is very simple. You eat 100 calories of French fries and I will eat 100 calories of veggies. Then let's see who has more energy. You can google not all calories are equal and find a ton of information backing this. The information I gave as to not all calories being equal was just a very quick statement without going into complex digestion and energy process of different foods. Your energy level has everything to do with how your lose weight.
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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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It's stuff like this that makes me so wary of personal trainers and the advice they have to offer. I know there are some great ones out there, but there are also people telling their clients to avoid "white foods" or only eat bread on special occasions.0
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Wait so eating fast food is harmful? You do realize that many of the most elite athletes in the world eat fast food to help meet their calorie needs?asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
And please be respectful when describing people at healthy weights who may have diabetes, high blood, pressure and high cholesterol because guess what.............it could be genetic. That's not something that's in their control. Unless you KNOW it's because of food consumption, you can't make that assumption.
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Why are people bitching the original poster? Like a bloody kids school ground.-1
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SarahxCheesecake wrote: »Why are people bitching the original poster? Like a bloody kids school ground.
Instead of trying to create metadrama, perhaps you could explain why you think OP's advice is good?0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »Back to the calories are not equal. This is very simple. You eat 100 calories of French fries and I will eat 100 calories of veggies. Then let's see who has more energy. You can google not all calories are equal and find a ton of information backing this. The information I gave as to not all calories being equal was just a very quick statement without going into complex digestion and energy process of different foods. Your energy level has everything to do with how your lose weight.
You are making claims that I am sure you believe to be true. You seem to honestly want to help. The problem is that you absolutely do not HAVE to eat clean to lose weight. If I eat 100 calories of vegetables with no protein or fats, I will be hungry again with no energy in half an hour and be eating again. If I eat a cup of pasta, I will stay full for a few hours; a cup of broccoli, half an hour tops. That's the way my body works. Not everyone fits your perfect scenario mold where they can simply change their eating habits overnight and have miraculous results. The reality is each person has to find a balance that works for them. When they follow a diet that allows no comfort foods, they won't be able to sustain it over the long term and will usually gain the weight back. It's better to learn portion control and how to fit the foods you love into an overall healthy diet so that it is sustainable for life, not just a few months. All calories are created equal...just like all pounds are created equal. Butter is not the enemy.0 -
I hate to see butter unfairly maligned. It does not contain trans fat, unsalted butter is usually available right beside salted butter if sodium is a concern, and gram for gram or tablespoon for tablespoon it has fewer calories than olive oil because of the water content.0
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asimmons26 wrote: »Often referred to as an empty calorie are foods high in calories but very lacking in nutritional value, like fast food. If the harm to your body outweighs the benefits by a long shot then it's what is known as an empty calorie. You can be at a "healthy weight" but have high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol,etc bc of the foods in which you choose to consume. Again, backing my statement that calories are not created equal. Have you heard of skinny fat? This is a person who eats within calorie range but not the right foods. This person is not actually healthy and their body fat percentage is of an unhealthy range. I see it all day at the gym training and taking body fat analysts.
Eating clean does not prevent you from being skinny fat, just like eating "bad/junk" food does not cause someone to be skinny fat. For reference:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10209109/post-clean-eating-before-and-after-pictures0 -
asimmons26 wrote: »No, a calorie is not created equal. Your body treats the foods you eat differently. A protein burns slower than a carb. This is because it takes 20% to 30% more energy to burn that calorie. Energy in is just as complex as energy out. You can look it up if you would like.
BMR is not temperature neutral. For every 0.5 degree celsius increase in internal body temperature, the BMR increases approximately 7%. Physical activity significantly increases body temper
Refined carbs are usually something that people easily over eat. This would be your whites (pasta, white bread, etc). The reason is because the body absorbs these simple sugars relatively quickly and a few hours later you are hungry again. The body increases blood sugar, triggers a release of insulin and you eat again. It is MUCH better to get your carbs from fruit, veggies, legumes. These carbs are higher in volume and tends to be more filling.
Butter is another additive people use too much of. While it has fats (trans fat) it is also high in cholesterol. Most butter people consume is also loaded with sodium and induces the need for more. Olive oil is a better alternative since while it still has fats, it actually has additional benefits including lowering ldl and triglycerides, it is rich in antioxidants, especially vitamin e. The fats in olive oil are monounsaturated which doesn't oxidize in the body and its lower in polyunsaturated fat which does oxidize in the body. It also reduces blood pressure. So....why use butter when you can get actual health benefits from olive oil?
Your metabolic burn increases. BMR is defined as at neutral temperature. Your statement is like saying lines aren't straight when you bend them. Of course, because it is no longer a line! If you measure calorie burn in a non neutral temperature, you no longer measure BMR!
Also, dietary cholesterol isn't an issue for most people. Some seem to have a gene where dietary cholesterol impacts body cholesterol but it is rare. Calorie restriction tends trump other factors anyway, so it is doubly unnecessary when losing weight.
The energy expenditure to break down protein is already accounted for in dietary calorie count - purely burning protein produces around 5.7 kcal /g in energy.0
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