10 day green smoothie cleanse
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The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)2
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Original poster, are you even following along anymore? With a lot of the comments you received, I'm wondering if you've either changed your mind and don't want to do your cleanse OR so turned off by your responses that you aren't reading.
There are some threads and groups about juicing that are helpful. Also feel free to send me a message if you want to chat about smoothies and juicing.
Whichever way you go, best luck with reaching your goals.
I'm going to hope for option 1, OP read the good advice of people in this thread that said that cleanses are unnecessary, and hopefully is working on setting reasonable calorie goals, finding ways to fit in a variety of foods she enjoys, and and starting to enjoy the benefits of this approach immediately rather than waiting till after Thanksgiving to implement a plan that is arbitrary and restrictive.
I'm feeling optimistic today.
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Didn't see the op return.0
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snickerscharlie wrote: »vivmom2014 wrote: »Every detox post ends in a similar fashion.
People who try to help, now, please make me understand how all that links and information works out for the posters?
Even if OPs simply ignore it, like others, who eat whatever they want, citing that they watch their CICO, maintain a deficit, maintained their 'ideal BMI range weight', for 'x' number of years, enjoying variety of foods, no restriction on food groups.
and the funny thing is that we like to reach our goal the way we want but do not like a few terminologies even if when they are not being advertised as healthy at all. Who is getting benefitted from such posts and is it a way to show off your knowledge when it is not asked for or for other unknown reasons.
If all helpful people, really want to help, the only way I think of, is to sit down with those 'ops' into 'detox', 'sugar free life', 'low carb' people, and make them eat what 'helpful people' think would be beneficial for them. Is it feasible? Is it practical? are we adults? are we free to make our own choices?
Think!
Have no idea what you're trying to say.
My point was that you can put seat belts in the car but can't force the drivers to use it, drunk driving is prohibited but still you can't stop this practice, you can share all the good information regarding nutrition, but you can't force people to follow it, if they are simply not interested.
Just to make my replies relevant to this thread, I do not have an opinion on detoxes, same for eating out occasionally, drinking occasionally, smoking occasionally, etc. etc. etc.
What people do with their weight loss strategy is none of my business.
So what you're saying is that no one should be bothered trying to help anyone on a forum dedicated to helping people. Gotcha.
Actually, just the opposite.
Why wasting your precious time and energy on someone when they simply do not care.
I see a lot of threads starting with or have this word in the topic, HELP!
So those people deserve this kind of effort and help.
I hope you 'Gotcha' this time.
If it wasn't for people wasting their precious time telling me things that I didn't want to hear I'd still be obese. I would never have competed in bodybuilding competitions. I would never have set a world record for deadlift. I would be in the starve myself and binge eat cycle while taking the newest pills on the market or still trying to cut carbs completely or I would have given up.
That's why people sit here and tell people the truth about detoxes or let people know that cutting out carbs isn't absolutely necessary. The person who started the thread may not care, but others are out there reading and not posting. Someone out there is reading this thread and wondering if maybe they have been wrong for years. Someone out there is learning that the diet industry as a whole should be ashamed of itself.
Sometimes the people who feel they are trying to help should just let it go and offer to help if the person fails. Sometimes they should use different tactics. Sometimes they should realize that people need to fail or that dieting/fitness doesn't have to be black and white to their terms. I think it's great that people hear someone talking about doing a detox and want to share the truth about the word detox as a sales pitch and what it really means from a science perspective. Those are the kind of people that helped me be successful.
All above highlighted lines are in fact great points!
I'm also among those people like you, who have been benefitted from MFP community.
MFP website will become irrelevant without these helpful people, contributing so much to the boards and giving their precious time for newbies, no one can take it away from them. Because of this reason, I had started a thread to nominate people who deserved appreciation and acknowledgement, which was sadly closed.
But my point is that it is simply impossible to get everyone on the same page and it does not mean that helpful people should stop posting. But once it becomes apparent that OP does not care, they can give their precious time to other needy people, who will in fact thank and appreciate them. Every day, there are new threads created at MFP community, most of them seeking help.
And as long as people like @SideSteel, are the part of this community, no woo, shoo or poo can misguide anyone here. This community is blessed with so many wonderful people, contributing generously, for free. May God bless them all!
You missed my point that continuing to talk about why a detox can be harmful or trying to make sure that someone realizes that if their plan fails there are other methods isn't for the OP. Continuing a discussion is what a lot of lurkers, like I used to be, get points to research. If some guy hadn't stayed through a thread to tell a woman how to be more effective with her workouts I would still be out there trying to run as punishment for eating a slice of pizza. As long as people remain polite there is no need for them to leave a discussion even if the OP says they don't care.0 -
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The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.0 -
The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
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The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.0 -
Crazy idea, and I know I've said this before. . . . .message them. B-O-O-M.
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queenliz99 wrote: »The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.
How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.2 -
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Crazy idea, and I know I've said this before. . . . .message them. B-O-O-M.
Sometimes I do message. This time I did not want to because there is the possibility that the OP is still following along and/or I want those reading the thread to see there are others with different views.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.
How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.
But it is false hope! Drinking smoothies leaves you famished and weak.0 -
My point was that you can put seat belts in the car but can't force the drivers to use it, drunk driving is prohibited but still you can't stop this practice, you can share all the good information regarding nutrition, but you can't force people to follow it, if they are simply not interested.
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If "they're simply not interested", why are they starting a thread? That shows at least a modicum of doubt.
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A truly motivated person doesn't NEED a "detox/cleanse" to get started. If one is truly committed, they just start and do it right from the start. People that use gimmicks to start, usually quit in a short time.The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
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Most days I drink two smoothies, followed by dinner with soup and a half pound of chicken. It's not a "cleanse" though. It's food. Both smoothies are over 500 calories and are a nearly ideal (for me) mix of protein, carbs and fats. They're also good for probiotics with yogurt in one and kefir in the other. And they help me get in a good combination of micronutrients.
I've been on a "soup thing" for dinner lately. Both Progresso and Campbell's have reduced sodium chunky-style soups. I add in a half pound of chicken for additional protein. I try not to eat soup every night, but they're so convenient that I've been eating them 5 or 6 times a week.
Again, it's not a cleanse. A "cleanse" is marketing BS. You don't need a cleanse. Eating nutritious food is something you can do raw or cooked, blended or whole. There is nothing magical about a smoothie. If you put whole, non-processed foods into a blender, you get a nutritious smoothie. If you put pizza, beer and Twinkies into a blender, you get . . .
Hey wait, forget that last part. I think I just came up with an idea that could make me millions.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.
How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.
But it is false hope! Drinking smoothies leaves you famished and weak.
How is that false hope? The claim with cleanses is that they will help you lose weight. The claims aren't that the weight you lose will mostly be fat and no water. They don't claim that they aren't difficult for some or that you magically lose 60 pounds in 10 days from it. Accordingly if you complete a cleanse, despite feeling weak or famished, and lose weight, there is no false hope.
IF you feel famished and weak that doesn't mean that you were given false hope. I'm not debating that some people could feel famished and weak, what im questioning is how that is false hope.
I'm also not debating whether it's the best way for many to lose weight or why one would chose to undergo a cleanse. Just trying to understand what the false hope is.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.
How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.
Regardless of whether they think they can return to their former diet or whether they think they will have to modify and eat at a calorie deficit, they are likely to see weight gain after the cleanse is over since a "cleanse" usually results in rapid loss of water weight. Even if they do segue into a modest calorie deficit they are likely to see scale rebound, and many get discouraged by that.
This is why people recommend not engaging in a cleanse in the first place, they are unnecessary, unpleasant, ineffective, and I'm not sure why someone would ever support one.
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But what does a cleanse actually do? It's mostly water weight not fat loss. Bingeing is the most likely outcome.0
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A truly motivated person doesn't NEED a "detox/cleanse" to get started. If one is truly committed, they just start and do it right from the start. People that use gimmicks to start, usually quit in a short time.The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
But I don't think they said that the OP NEEDS a cleanse or "gimmick."
But I agree that many that start with these things don't stay focused. However the same is true with many people that try to lose weight without the gimmicks.
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Plus the bounce back effect when they switch to a normal deficit convinces many that 'this doesn't work, I might as well quit.' Which is why yo yo dieting is so prevalent. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.0
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »The hardest part of a diet is getting started so what ever gets you going and motivated is really important even if it isn't the best way ... just my thoughts... so drink those smoothies:)
sorry, but you are dead wrong. Believing that you have to have a jumpstart and cleanse is not going to put one on the path to long term sustainable weight loss.
Not true. Believing you have a jumpstart DOES help some people get started and some of those people DO achieve long term sustainable weight loss. However they start does not mean it's how they finish. People are motivated by different things and respond differently to different scenarios. Blanket statements about people's responses and reactions that completely rule out other possible scenarios are not complete.
But saying a 10 day cleansing is a good way to start is giving the poster false hope. All the poster will get is disappointment when she starts eating regular meals. Cleansing toxins from your body is all part of the myth from diet hucksters.
How is it false hope? Do you think that all of these people that start a cleanse believe that they don't have to do any work after they complete the cleanse? Many of them know that they will need to continue to consume less calories than they expend.
But it is false hope! Drinking smoothies leaves you famished and weak.
How is that false hope? The claim with cleanses is that they will help you lose weight. The claims aren't that the weight you lose will mostly be fat and no water. They don't claim that they aren't difficult for some or that you magically lose 60 pounds in 10 days from it. Accordingly if you complete a cleanse, despite feeling weak or famished, and lose weight, there is no false hope.
IF you feel famished and weak that doesn't mean that you were given false hope. I'm not debating that some people could feel famished and weak, what im questioning is how that is false hope.
I'm also not debating whether it's the best way for many to lose weight or why one would chose to undergo a cleanse. Just trying to understand what the false hope is.
Because most people are hoping for long term, sustainable results, and encouraging a short term cleanse that results in water weight loss may lead them to believe that they will continue that rapid loss (false hope) is not something that one should be promoting.
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I saw. . .blah blah blah(which was all very accurate) BUT.....where is my fish?!?!?!?blankiefinder wrote: »Plus the bounce back effect when they switch to a normal deficit convinces many that 'this doesn't work, I might as well quit.' Which is why yo yo dieting is so prevalent. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.2
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Drinking smoothies does not mean you are getting 1200 cals. You could die from not getting enough calories. There could be harm.
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blankiefinder wrote: »Drinking smoothies does not mean you are getting 1200 cals. You could die from not getting enough calories. There could be harm.
True. No one ever said that people couldn't do harmful things while drinking smoothies. My point is that drinking smoothies can be done without "starving" and therefor to automatically dismiss them as an option for SOME people to start their weight loss goals is over broad and unnecessary.
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blankiefinder wrote: »Drinking smoothies does not mean you are getting 1200 cals. You could die from not getting enough calories. There could be harm.
True. No one ever said that people couldn't do harmful things while drinking smoothies. My point is that drinking smoothies can be done without "starving" and therefor to automatically dismiss them as an option for SOME people to start their weight loss goals is over broad and unnecessary.
And to automatically support & encourage them is dangerous.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »Drinking smoothies does not mean you are getting 1200 cals. You could die from not getting enough calories. There could be harm.
True. No one ever said that people couldn't do harmful things while drinking smoothies. My point is that drinking smoothies can be done without "starving" and therefor to automatically dismiss them as an option for SOME people to start their weight loss goals is over broad and unnecessary.
And to automatically support & encourage them is dangerous.
True. Don't think we have seen it on this thread. I personally said I'd discuss juicing in a PM.
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