10 day green smoothie cleanse
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Not that I want to disturb the circles we're going in, but I have a question. Everybody's giving advice. I started wondering how well some of that advice is working, so I clicked on a member's profile and found that it's closed to all but friends, unless her friends can't see it either. So I clicked on the next one and the one after that. I wound up going through the entire thread and can't find a single open profile. That can't be right, can it?
Has MFP changed the way people can access profiles? Or do we just happen to have a perfect collection of people who want to tell others what to do but don't want anyone to see how effective they themselves have been? I'm guessing it's the former.
I see your information. Mine is open. Let me know.
Yowzers! It is open...and I like it. Dana Torres a local hero to quite a few swimmers here. I need to read no more. Okay, carry on people....
Now I'm blushing
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
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Not that I want to disturb the circles we're going in, but I have a question. Everybody's giving advice. I started wondering how well some of that advice is working, so I clicked on a member's profile and found that it's closed to all but friends, unless her friends can't see it either. So I clicked on the next one and the one after that. I wound up going through the entire thread and can't find a single open profile. That can't be right, can it?
Has MFP changed the way people can access profiles? Or do we just happen to have a perfect collection of people who want to tell others what to do but don't want anyone to see how effective they themselves have been? I'm guessing it's the former.
my profile is only viewable by friends bc some on my friend list had their profile pictures taken off and posted in the forums in a not so flattering way ..since then my profile has been locked down.
I fail to see how having a closed profile impacts advice being given...0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
A "cleanse" as OP is describing as absolutely nothing to do with weight loss. YOu can "cleanse" eat in a surplus, and you will lose zero weight.
weight loss is all about calories in vs calories out0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...0 -
What was recited in an incomplete and inaccurate manner?There is the usual imprecise post Which post is imprecise and how?
by members that recite incomplete and inaccurate characterizations of what actually happened.
I'm sorry, I can't pick out which of the posts you are referring to.
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
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blankiefinder wrote: »Plus the bounce back effect when they switch to a normal deficit convinces many that 'this doesn't work, I might as well quit.' Which is why yo yo dieting is so prevalent. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
That's wrong @blankiefinder
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to use google and he'll leave you alone for 3 weeks.
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
So you are saying that it is fine to just let the op believe she is "Cleansing" because the cleanse will be less calories than her normal diet?
Then why is it wrong to say to eat anything you like that is less calories? That is all that people are saying, eat anything you like but less calories.0 -
Eating burgers and fries is a better idea than thinking a green smoothie is the path to health.0
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TheBeachgod wrote: »Eating burgers and fries is a better idea than thinking a green smoothie is the path to health.
I'll second that with a craft beer, FTW!!0 -
Not that I want to disturb the circles we're going in, but I have a question. Everybody's giving advice. I started wondering how well some of that advice is working, so I clicked on a member's profile and found that it's closed to all but friends, unless her friends can't see it either. So I clicked on the next one and the one after that. I wound up going through the entire thread and can't find a single open profile. That can't be right, can it?
Has MFP changed the way people can access profiles? Or do we just happen to have a perfect collection of people who want to tell others what to do but don't want anyone to see how effective they themselves have been? I'm guessing it's the former.
By your own standard, no one should heed what you say.
Or MFP is broken again. That's entirely possible. Likely, even.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Not that I want to disturb the circles we're going in, but I have a question. Everybody's giving advice. I started wondering how well some of that advice is working, so I clicked on a member's profile and found that it's closed to all but friends, unless her friends can't see it either. So I clicked on the next one and the one after that. I wound up going through the entire thread and can't find a single open profile. That can't be right, can it?
Has MFP changed the way people can access profiles? Or do we just happen to have a perfect collection of people who want to tell others what to do but don't want anyone to see how effective they themselves have been? I'm guessing it's the former.
By your own standard, no one should heed what you say.
oh so busted….0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's mostly water. Some people find it easier to follow a plan for a few days then to simply eat less and move more. People are individuals and what works for some doesn't work for others. Everyone can't approach life the same way. Everyone can't approach weight loss the same way. What motivates people is highly individualized. If the OP is educated about what she is doing and being healthy, then no, there is nothing wrong with consuming smoothies for 10 days.0 -
I can see most people's profiles *shrugs*0
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's mostly water. Some people find it easier to follow a plan for a few days then to simply eat less and move more. People are individuals and what works for some doesn't work for others. Everyone can't approach life the same way. Everyone can't approach weight loss the same way. What motivates people is highly individualized. If the OP is educated about what she is doing and being healthy, then no, there is nothing wrong with consuming smoothies for 10 days.
So you are know all and the rest of us are assuming. Wow if that don't take the cake.0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »Eating burgers and fries is a better idea than thinking a green smoothie is the path to health.
I don't think she thinks smoothies are a "plan to health"0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »Eating burgers and fries is a better idea than thinking a green smoothie is the path to health.
I don't think she thinks smoothies are a "plan to health"
But how do you know this, assuming I guess.0 -
I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's mostly water. Some people find it easier to follow a plan for a few days then to simply eat less and move more. People are individuals and what works for some doesn't work for others. Everyone can't approach life the same way. Everyone can't approach weight loss the same way. What motivates people is highly individualized. If the OP is educated about what she is doing and being healthy, then no, there is nothing wrong with consuming smoothies for 10 days.
I know that OP does not understand CICO because she thinks a cleanse will jumpstart weight loss, which it won't. What happens on day 10 when OP goes back to eating regular food and gains back the five pounds in water weight that she just lost? let me guess she will do another "cleanse" and lose five to ten pounds and then gain it back when she stops, hence the yo-yo dieting begins.
So your position is that we should just encourage ignorance, because it may help OP lose weight in the short term…?0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »Eating burgers and fries is a better idea than thinking a green smoothie is the path to health.
I don't think she thinks smoothies are a "plan to health"ashleyluvinshetime wrote: »My body. I have done the smoothie cleanse before and it really makes you crave healthy food. A bite of something fried or unhealthy just hurts your stomach
It kind of looks that way to me.0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
So you are saying that it is fine to just let the op believe she is "Cleansing" because the cleanse will be less calories than her normal diet?
Then why is it wrong to say to eat anything you like that is less calories? That is all that people are saying, eat anything you like but less calories.
No I'm not saying anything about whether you want to call it cleansing or not. I'm saying that those that do what some perceive as gimmicks on here are not all set up for failure. They aren't all unaware of CICO. Some people do benefit from having a more drastic start to their weight loss. That's all im saying.
There's nothing wrong with saying eat whatever you like but less calories. Never said there was. Just for some people, they need a plan so that just eat less doesn't work. I'm one of those people. I need a more detailed plan.
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's mostly water. Some people find it easier to follow a plan for a few days then to simply eat less and move more. People are individuals and what works for some doesn't work for others. Everyone can't approach life the same way. Everyone can't approach weight loss the same way. What motivates people is highly individualized. If the OP is educated about what she is doing and being healthy, then no, there is nothing wrong with consuming smoothies for 10 days.
Where has it been suggested that everyone approach life and weight loss the same way??
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I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
Ok, so believing in a theoretical cleanse and not understanding that weight loss is about CICO is the benefit? All that is going to do is set OP for yo-yo dieting as OP will not understand what weight loss is about.
You're assuming that the OP doesn't understand CICO. If realistic expectations about what they are doing are established, they are doing it in a healthy way, and they have weighed their pros and cons, it's not setting the person up for yo-yo. Some people are motivated and encouraged by seeing the scale move even if it's mostly water. Some people find it easier to follow a plan for a few days then to simply eat less and move more. People are individuals and what works for some doesn't work for others. Everyone can't approach life the same way. Everyone can't approach weight loss the same way. What motivates people is highly individualized. If the OP is educated about what she is doing and being healthy, then no, there is nothing wrong with consuming smoothies for 10 days.
If a person understood CICO they would know that a cleanse is not necessary, will result in rapid water weight loss but not true fat loss, and that they will be spending an inordinate amount of time in the bathroom. If they understood CICO they would know the smoothies won't do anything for them that eating real food at a calorie deficit wouldn't do, that there are more potential bad outcomes than good...
A lot of assumptions on your part that are just not supported by the posting history of the vast majority of the people inquiring about these cleanses.
Also you never answered my earlier question, when you are advising these people to "jumpstart their journey" with a cleanse, as part of helping them have realistic expectations do you inform them about the unpleasant bathroom experiences they are about to embark on?
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I've always found the "they're wrong, but don't tell them because they may still gain benefits from their idea based on wrongness" approach insulting.0
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »I agree that pointing out the pros and cons of a "cleanse" and establishing realistic expectations is necessary. However, you can do that without imposing our beliefs or opinions on grown adults. Yes you will likely lose a lot of water from cleanses but this is the same as when one starts eating at a deficit and working out. Drinking smoothies does not mean you aren't getting 1200 cals. That can be done. You won't die from it. There's no harm if someone choses to try a "cleanse" to start their weight loss journey. Whether one thinks cleanses are helpful or marketing schemes is not important. If someone wants to "jumpstart" their journey with it, it doesn't matter as long as they have realistic expectations.
There are no pros to cleansing because there is no such thing..
It's like trying to discuss the pros and cons of being beamed aboard to the star ship enterprise...
I won't debate whether there is a thing called a cleanse. The point remains that whatever the user calls a cleanse has pros and cons. Pros being that for some it could cause them to start on a weight loss journey.
you can't debate it because it is non debatable..
again, you can't debate something that does not exist….
It's not about whether a cleanse exist. That's why I am not debating it. There are pros to successfully doing what some may call a gimmick.
please list the pros of doing something that does not exist...
Whether you call it a cleanse or not DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is doing the thing the OP calls a cleanse, exist. That is drinking her green smoothies. That has pros. Not eating burgers and fries all day, starting to reduce calories, thinking about doing something to lose weight by consuming less than they expend.
So you are saying that it is fine to just let the op believe she is "Cleansing" because the cleanse will be less calories than her normal diet?
Then why is it wrong to say to eat anything you like that is less calories? That is all that people are saying, eat anything you like but less calories.
No I'm not saying anything about whether you want to call it cleansing or not. I'm saying that those that do what some perceive as gimmicks on here are not all set up for failure. They aren't all unaware of CICO. Some people do benefit from having a more drastic start to their weight loss. That's all im saying.
There's nothing wrong with saying eat whatever you like but less calories. Never said there was. Just for some people, they need a plan so that just eat less doesn't work. I'm one of those people. I need a more detailed plan.
so we should encourage ignorance, because weight loss???
I mean, I can't believe this is even being debated….I think this may be top ten most ridiculous debates in MFP history …officially mind blown…
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Knew by the title of the post I'd be in for a good laugh and this thread did not disappoint. Brava.
p.s. Maybe just maybe, the OP and everyone else who uses the term "cleanse" improperly, truly means that they just want to feel better. If you've been eating nothing but junk for years and suddenly decided to drink smoothies for a couple of meals, as long as you're putting all the good stuff in, including lots and lots of veggies, then you're going to feel "better" or, dare I say it, "cleansed." True, this is not the meaning of the word and if your kidneys are not doing a very good job at cleansing your system of toxins, then I doubt a green smoothie will help, but it will help people eat more veggies (assuming they shove them into the blender...), and that results in more vitamins and fiber which may just help one feel better or healthier. It's all in perception. But I think everyone arguing about the definition of words actually knew this...0
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