Do you count the calories in fruits and vegtables?
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summerkissed wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »@PeachyCarol are you sure you are logging and weighing properly?? I just used my electric scales to weigh 1 pound of cauliflower......there is no way I could eat that in one sitting!!!! 1 pound of cartots is 7 big cartots! If I ate those I wouldn't eat my dinner tonight!! I'd be full for the rest of the day on under 150cals!!!
I use a scale and I regularly eat close to a pound of broccoli or cauliflower as part of my dinner. Maybe some people would be full on a pound of vegetables, but I'm usually not.
OP, my body counts all the calories in fruits and vegetables, so I do too. If I consume more than my body is burning, my body doesn't care if it is from broccoli, bananas, wine, or chocolate chip cookies.
This is where portion sizes come into play big time!!! And what is a normal portion size? And how you train your body to feel full on normal portion sizes! Being able to consume huge amounts of food and not feeling full is another big part of the puzzle that needs to be corrected!
Silly girl.summerkissed wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »@PeachyCarol are you sure you are logging and weighing properly?? I just used my electric scales to weigh 1 pound of cauliflower......there is no way I could eat that in one sitting!!!! 1 pound of cartots is 7 big cartots! If I ate those I wouldn't eat my dinner tonight!! I'd be full for the rest of the day on under 150cals!!!
I use a scale and I regularly eat close to a pound of broccoli or cauliflower as part of my dinner. Maybe some people would be full on a pound of vegetables, but I'm usually not.
OP, my body counts all the calories in fruits and vegetables, so I do too. If I consume more than my body is burning, my body doesn't care if it is from broccoli, bananas, wine, or chocolate chip cookies.
This is where portion sizes come into play big time!!! And what is a normal portion size? And how you train your body to feel full on normal portion sizes! Being able to consume huge amounts of food and not feeling full is another big part of the puzzle that needs to be corrected!
Yeah, no.
You realize you're talking to successful people here?0 -
summerkissed wrote: »I'm not trying to being rude here if it comes across that way but eating unhealthy processed foods (empty calories) has taught you you consume large quantities without feeling full.....this needs to be corrected to help you be successful in changing lifestyles permanently!
Sorry @KateQuattro for taking over the post but I'm very passionate about changing attitudes towards food for the better! No one wants to need to log food for the rest of there lives so as to not put on weight or be unhealthy!
You are so off base it's not even funny.0 -
justrollme wrote: »@christinev297 Roast it!
It shrinks up like crazy, and is sooooo delicious!
That's the thing. Cooking shrinks veggies WAY down.0 -
Wow, lots of great info here. Most of which, pointing to the same conclusion.
For those asking, 1200 cals is MFP's suggestion as base calories, white exercising I would get more. I'm not sure why it's so tight... I'm 5'5", currently 170lbs and intent even suggest 2 lbs a week, it said 1 lb a week max.0 -
I just found this thread and am confused at what I've read so far. Let me see if I've got this right...
OP it sounds like you are trying to figure out a way to "cheat" the system by looking for foods that you can eat in unlimited quantities without logging. As others have pointed out, whether you log them or not, the calories in them count. Are you averse to logging for some reason? I don't really understand why you would log some things and not others?
Also, I'm amused at advice being given to some of the successful people on MFP (one that is a vegetarian and one that is a vegan) that they are eating too many vegetables because their portion size requirements are skewed due to over consumption of processed foods?
Did I read that correctly?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I just found this thread and am confused at what I've read so far. Let me see if I've got this right...
OP it sounds like you are trying to figure out a way to "cheat" the system by looking for foods that you can eat in unlimited quantities without logging. As others have pointed out, whether you log them or not, the calories in them count. Are you averse to logging for some reason? I don't really understand why you would log some things and not others?
Also, I'm amused at advice being given to some of the successful people on MFP (one that is a vegetarian and one that is a vegan) that they are eating too many vegetables because their portion size requirements are skewed due to over consumption of processed foods?
Did I read that correctly?
I wouldn't say cheat but I suppose that's an accurate term, hahaha. A few people I know have had success with this method - for weight loss. So I thought I would vet the MFP community for their opinions. After which I agree that although fruits and vegetables are healthy, they should be logged and going over my calorie count a tad don't kill me. :P
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Here's something else to consider. Not logging is erasing knowledge. If in a few weeks you aren't seeing the results you expected, you will have no way of knowing if the fruit and vegetables had anything to do with it.
People can lose weight accidentally in many ways. They may restrict a certain food group. They may only shop on the perimeter of the stores. They stop eating after dinner. Or they may be like your friends and monitor all their foods except fruits and vegetables. My daughter-in-law lost 26 pounds in three months chiefly by cutting sugar soda from her diet. These are mental tricks or rules, fairly easy to follow, that can lead to success. But they all won the same way; by keeping at a calorie deficit.0 -
Are the friends who are doing this also using MFP? Or another system, like WW? As others have said, WW allows for unlimited fruits and veggies (I think, I've never tried WW) but if you are using MFP it is really designed to track everything.KateQuattro wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »I just found this thread and am confused at what I've read so far. Let me see if I've got this right...
OP it sounds like you are trying to figure out a way to "cheat" the system by looking for foods that you can eat in unlimited quantities without logging. As others have pointed out, whether you log them or not, the calories in them count. Are you averse to logging for some reason? I don't really understand why you would log some things and not others?
Also, I'm amused at advice being given to some of the successful people on MFP (one that is a vegetarian and one that is a vegan) that they are eating too many vegetables because their portion size requirements are skewed due to over consumption of processed foods?
Did I read that correctly?
I wouldn't say cheat but I suppose that's an accurate term, hahaha. A few people I know have had success with this method - for weight loss. So I thought I would vet the MFP community for their opinions. After which I agree that although fruits and vegetables are healthy, they should be logged and going over my calorie count a tad don't kill me. :P
The other thing I would suggest for you is to read the "Most Helpful" threads at the top of each forum section: getting started, food and nutrition, etc. There is a wealth of knowledge in those about how to best set up your goals in MFP, how to understand your TDEE and set a reasonable calorie deficit, how to log accurately, why you should eat back exercise cals, etc.
My standard advice, and I'm by no means an expert but I've been logging for over 1000 days consistently, achieved my 30 lb weight loss goal and am successfully maintaining, FWIW...
1. Have reasonable expectations for total pounds to lose and rate of loss (if aiming for 25-50 lbs it should be 1 lb/week, if under 25 lbs maybe 0.5 lb/week is more appropriate)
2. Enter those goals along with accurate stats into MFP to get an appropriate calorie deficit (1200 may be too low)
3. Log everything, using a food scale preferably for the most accuracy.
4. Eat primarily nutrient dense foods but leave room for foods you enjoy as treats or indulgences or what have you.
5. Exercise if you enjoy it, making sure you eat back at least a portion of your exercise calories.
6. Don't rely on quick fixes, gimmicks or tricks to get around the system. Eat the way you enjoy eating and can sustain forever.
7. Be patient.
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If I don't count the calories from vegetables and fruits I will end up with 500-1000 calories net a day. Seeing that I consume 1500 calories in average I will actually gain weight if I attempt to hit my calorie goal without counting vegetables and fruits. I snack on tomatoes and cucumbers consistently throughout the day and eat at least 2 pounds in tomatoes alone, not to mention all the different vegetables I have with my meals. Sometimes I even have full meals that are nothing but fruits.
This strategy may work for someone who does not eat many vegetables and fruits to encourage them to eat more of them, but would leave me absolutely unable to tell if I'm losing, maintaining or gaining until it shows on the scale.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I just found this thread and am confused at what I've read so far. Let me see if I've got this right...
OP it sounds like you are trying to figure out a way to "cheat" the system by looking for foods that you can eat in unlimited quantities without logging. As others have pointed out, whether you log them or not, the calories in them count. Are you averse to logging for some reason? I don't really understand why you would log some things and not others?
Also, I'm amused at advice being given to some of the successful people on MFP (one that is a vegetarian and one that is a vegan) that they are eating too many vegetables because their portion size requirements are skewed due to over consumption of processed foods?
Did I read that correctly?
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I eat a few hundred calories worth of fruit and vegetables daily...not sure why those calories wouldn't count.0
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »Wow the 10% of the population that eats enough fruit and veggies is on this thread......just imagine the chances of that!!!!
Why on earth was this flagged?
Somebody was bored?
Somebody was offended?
Somebody misunderstood or lost the context what was written?
Who knows.
It was Wednesday?
Veggies is a dirty word?
Exclamation points are evil?
For sharts and googles I had yams for breakfast this AM. I found, and my math could be off, the grams to calories worked out pretty well. And yes, they were dirty yams, so I cleaned them and then ran a 5k. Happy Thanksgiving people! I also added sugar(brown) and butter. So a little evil with dirty. . . .muah ha hahahaha.
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KateQuattro wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »I count everything that has calories. Veggies and fruit contain calories.
What if you only have a 250 calorie deficit per day (like me), and you eat over 200 calories in fruit and veg but don't count it. This would mean your practically eating at maintenance rather than a deficit.
True. Where others have tried this method, they've had success. Even while working towards weight loss. Is it really only strictly about calories in and out?
yes, it is, as it is basic math.
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For MFP to work the way it is supposed to a calorie is a calorie and all need to be counted. I used to be on 1200 calories a day and found that too hard to stick to and if I went over I got frustrated and would quit. I have changed to 1500/day and find it much easier to stay under my calorie goal while still having a daily deficit. That way there is room for those extra veggies that can make food that much more interesting. I think it is much more of a sustainable lifestyle.0
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Laughing at the notion that a pound of cauliflower is a huge amount no one should eat.0
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PeachyCarol wrote: »justrollme wrote: »@christinev297 Roast it! It shrinks up like crazy, and is sooooo delicious!
That's the thing. Cooking shrinks veggies WAY down.
Did you know a pound of brussel sprouts fills an entire baking tray but is only half a plate once they're done?0 -
I ate 272 calories of veg yesterday. Count everything.0
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stevencloser wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »justrollme wrote: »@christinev297 Roast it! It shrinks up like crazy, and is sooooo delicious!
That's the thing. Cooking shrinks veggies WAY down.
Did you know a pound of brussel sprouts fills an entire baking tray but is only half a plate once they're done?
...And now I want roasted brussel sprouts TYVM...with bacon of course
I think I still have some frozen from the garden *adds to dinner list*0 -
You're welcome. I cut them in half with the cut side on top, sprinkle olive oil on them, then salt and pepper. I got that from some blog called the 99 cent chef or something along those lines I don't remember. I don't eat brussel sprouts any other way ever since.0
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stevencloser wrote: »You're welcome. I cut them in half with the cut side on top, sprinkle olive oil on them, then salt and pepper. I got that from some blog called the 99 cent chef or something along those lines I don't remember. I don't eat brussel sprouts any other way ever since.
I do mine the same way, except without the pepper. We do them until they are caramelized, yum! Now I want a pound of roasted brussels sprouts, and I can't, I have to go to work
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stevencloser wrote: »Laughing at the notion that a pound of cauliflower is a huge amount no one should eat.
It is by virtue of being cauliflower. It may be the worst of the cruciferous family.0 -
summerkissed wrote: »I never said she eats too much veg I said that in one sitting if that is a normal meal size then her portion sizes are out.....or is that the only thing on the plate? I doubt it!! My referral to the other foods are cals in relation to portion size...which brings us back to logging fruit and veg! The weight, and cal contents have HUGE differences which is why I teach my girls to eat up the fruit and veg and not to worry about logging (but on saying that I've not come across a girl that eats a pound of broccoli for lunch or dinner and if they did wasn't bloated and full) and if I did I'd be changing that habit for a more proportionally balanced meal and portion size...I'm yet to have one girl not be successful!!! There portion and food decisions are awesome and that is showing!!
The two people you are saying eat too many vegetables are a vegetarian and a vegan. What's wrong with having lots of vegetables? Why is a meal with a lot of vegetables bad just because it isn't "normal"?
I'm glad your "girls" are successful, but Carol and I are pretty successful too. She's made awe-inspiring progress to her goals, I'm maintaining my weight loss comfortably. You shouldn't dismiss the way other people eat just because it isn't your method. I can and do eat large amounts of vegetables without bloating.0 -
For brussel sprouts, I use this recipe that I found right here on MFP, but I add bacon bits to it because bacon. :
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/recipe/view/2788954702110530 -
I eat 2 cups of spinach. 3 oz of carrots. 86 grams of cucumbers. 1 cup of cut up celery. All of this is a part of a meal where I add some type of protein. I love it. I don't know what it is all together but I look forward to this meal.0
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nutmegoreo wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »Wow the 10% of the population that eats enough fruit and veggies is on this thread......just imagine the chances of that!!!!
Yeah it's funny, when I take a poll of medical staff, I get a higher than expected number of people who have a college education! When I poll people at the humane society, I get a higher than expect number rate of pet ownership!
It's almost like there is a bias in the population selected.
:noway: [/sarcasm]
There was absolutely no sarcasm in those examples. Not one single gram, and definitely not one whole pound of it.
@senecarr The sarcasm was referring to my shock and awe that sample bias may occur
How many calories would a pound of sarcasm contain? I am developing a theory on my own weight loss progress...0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »Wow the 10% of the population that eats enough fruit and veggies is on this thread......just imagine the chances of that!!!!
Yeah it's funny, when I take a poll of medical staff, I get a higher than expected number of people who have a college education! When I poll people at the humane society, I get a higher than expect number rate of pet ownership!
It's almost like there is a bias in the population selected.
:noway: [/sarcasm]
There was absolutely no sarcasm in those examples. Not one single gram, and definitely not one whole pound of it.
@senecarr The sarcasm was referring to my shock and awe that sample bias may occur
How many calories would a pound of sarcasm contain? I am developing a theory on my own weight loss progress...
Well sarcasm is considered acidic and not sweet, so I'd guess it is a kind of fatty acid, which would give it a 9 calories per pure gram of sarcasm, but I imagine the piss and vinegar occupies at least 50% of it by weight. So a pound means you're looking at 2041.164.
Luckily I produce sarcasm rather than digest and ruminate on it, so I should actually be at a deficit even after Thanksgiving feasting if I just get in a few more posts that are my usual charming self.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »summerkissed wrote: »Wow the 10% of the population that eats enough fruit and veggies is on this thread......just imagine the chances of that!!!!
Yeah it's funny, when I take a poll of medical staff, I get a higher than expected number of people who have a college education! When I poll people at the humane society, I get a higher than expect number rate of pet ownership!
It's almost like there is a bias in the population selected.
:noway: [/sarcasm]
There was absolutely no sarcasm in those examples. Not one single gram, and definitely not one whole pound of it.
@senecarr The sarcasm was referring to my shock and awe that sample bias may occur
How many calories would a pound of sarcasm contain? I am developing a theory on my own weight loss progress...
Well sarcasm is considered acidic and not sweet, so I'd guess it is a kind of fatty acid, which would give it a 9 calories per pure gram of sarcasm, but I imagine the piss and vinegar occupies at least 50% of it by weight. So a pound means you're looking at 2041.164.
Luckily I produce sarcasm rather than digest and ruminate on it, so I should actually be at a deficit even after Thanksgiving feasting if I just get in a few more posts that are my usual charming self.
Well that ruined my theory...
Should I consume alkalized water to counter balance the acidity of the sarcasm?
OP, sounds like you have realized that you need to eat your veggies, count your veggies, and log your veggies along with fruits too. The program works, but you need to be honest with yourself about your actual consumption and as already said, if it isn't working, having an accurate record can help you determine why. Best of luck!0 -
https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/4-simple-reasons-why-all-calories-are-not-created-equal/
Many people have posted and not just here that all calories are the same. Check this article out...0 -
dee_thurman wrote: »https://blog.myfitnesspal.com/4-simple-reasons-why-all-calories-are-not-created-equal/
Many people have posted and not just here that all calories are the same. Check this article out...
Yeah, that's a fluff piece put out by Lustig that MFP put on their blog because it is free content.
Scroll to the comments and you'll see this response:
1. Fiber is processed different than other carbohydrates and USDA guidelines allow using 2 calories per gram for soluble fiber and 0 calories for insoluble fiber when calculating calorie count on the label. So this is already accounted for in "calories not being calories".
2. The metabolism content of protein is already accounted for in the Atwater system used to calculate the energy protein. Protein actually has ~5.7 calories per gram or so worth of energy, but about 30% is need in metabolizing. You can get even higher thermic effects of food (another 20-40%, not double), but only if you're in the unusual scenario that your body is turning large quantities of protein into glucose.
3. Well really it is the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 in your diet that seems to be important. I imagine if you turned to getting only omega 3 (difficult to do) you'd start having issues with suppressed immune system from the anti-inflammatory properties, but that's just me spitballing on the anti-inflammatory effect of omega 3. Regardless, not matter what kind of fat you eat, if you're reducing calories to lose weight to get out of obesity, the health effect of weight lost is liable to trump the differences in fats, and for losing weight a calorie is a calorie.
4. The body doesn't know that a calorie is "added" versus "natural" sugar.
5. Correlation isn't causation, nor does this cite the actual statistical significance (p-value) of the values. It doesn't matter if 150 calories is associated with 11 fold impact if you're only 10% certain it isn't random chance that such an association happened. I also doubt they're holding calories constant when using that 150 calories of added sugar, and I'm pretty sure people who are eating 150 extra calories of added sugar are commonly throwing in added fat calories. So now the 150 calories of added sugar might just be an indicator of people eating 300 extra calories.0
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