USA! USA! (DOMA)

LePetitCochon

I will have to make these tonight to celebrate!

soldier4242

I'm lost... someone help me out here?

The supreme court just eliminated DOMA. DOMA is the defense of marriage act which was an act that defined marriage as being between one man and one women. Since there was no secular justification for the claim it was determined that the act was respecting the rules of an established religion which makes it a violation of the first amendment and therefore unconstitutional. Please bare in mind this is a laymen interpretation of the information that I have read and heard in the general media. I am sure the case was a bit more nuanced then that but in a nutshell that is what I have read so far.

I believe it was actually found unconstitutional under the 5th amendment as a deprivation of equal liberty.

The 5th amendment states that you don't have to testify against yourself in court.

It just occurred to me that you must have meant the 14th amendment. That also sounds like a logical case for its unconstitutionality. It is messed up that an act which violates two constitutional amendments was able to survive as long as it did.

It is also a little embarrassing that it took me as long as it did to realize what you meant to say but I am a bit distracted with other stuff.

No I meant what i said

A ruling under the 14th amendment's equal protection would have been much, much better; Kennedy would have never gone for it, though. I really did mean the 5th amendment. Equal liberty is not the same as equal protection.

I completely agree that equal liberty is not the same as equal protection which is why I thought you must have meant the 14th. Still this is an interesting application of the 5th amendment. One of my friends actually said he thought the 5th amendment would bring it down and I said he had to be mistaken. I guess I have to call him up and ask how he managed to predict that.

IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym

Yay!

For the record, don't judge all those that aren't happy as being TOTAL ignorant @$$es. I used to be one of them. Why? Because I didn't know any gay people and didn't know how it affected them. It took becoming best friends with someone that couldn't marry the person they loved. Some people that are upset by this may just need to have their eyes opened by someone that's affected, and it hasn't happened yet.

I don't judge them. They are entitled to their own opinion, as we all are. I just assume that this does not affect them or ones they love and care for.

jimfoxer

I got back from my morning walk, and was greeted at the door by my mom, yelling, "We won!" I was still on my endorphin rush, and wasn't sure what she was talking about. My son is gay, and I am so relieved that one day, he may be able to find and be with the love of his life, equally.

I wish every gay child in the country had a parent like you! Good on you!

lilRicki

Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act
By Pete Williams and Erin McClam, NBC News
In a landmark ruling for gay rights, the Supreme Court on Wednesday struck down the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 law blocking federal recognition of same-sex marriages.
The decision was 5-4, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy. It said that the law amounted to the “deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.”
In a separate case, the court ruled that it could not take up a challenge to Proposition 8, the California law that banned gay marriage in that state. That decision means that gay marriage will once again be legal in California.
The ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act means that the federal government must recognize the gay marriages deemed legal by the states — 12 plus the District of Columbia, before the California case was decided. The law helps determine who is covered by more than 1,100 federal laws, programs and benefits, including Social Security survivor benefits, immigration rights and family leave.

huh...I can't believe this is still an issue. I was in a same sex wedding party 5 years ago, and the wedding was at the legislature grounds of our provincial government

Svolt

Finally! Hopefully all 50 states will have marriage equality, soon!

Femmekid

This is a very exciting day!!

soldier4242

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.

I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.

I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

skullshank

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

right?
i have NO idea why you are all of a sudden taking shrapnel in here.

methinks people aint readin.

bikeswimrunnergal

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.

jenifr818

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.

It'll be taken down in due time. The moderators will see to it. Until then, I say let the celebration continue! :bigsmile:

Lone_Wolf70

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.

I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.

I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

How very tolerant of you.

bikeswimrunnergal

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

As long as you agree with the topic. Right?

soldier4242

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

You don't make the rules for MFP. This is a divisice topic and should not be allowed to be up.

I never said I made the rules for MFP. If they want to lock down the thread they are going to and that will be that. I can still have my opinions about the freedom of communication. I don't see why you are even coming after me. My position is you should be allowed to post in any public forum thread no matter how wrong you are.

IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

As long as you agree with the topic. Right?

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

CuteMonkeyGal

Wahooo. The battle has been won, but the war for equality is far from over. Good step in the right direction though! :flowerforyou: :drinker:

bikeswimrunnergal

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

You and he would probably be the first to report a thread if it was something you found against the rules. If it is a topic you agree with you don't care what the rules are.

soldier4242

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

As long as you agree with the topic. Right?

No in fact the bulk of what I am saying only applies when we don't agree. Tolerance is necessary when we all agree. You don't have any need to be tolerant of things that you like and agree with. Tolerance by definition must apply when we are talking about things we do not agree upon. If I am having to be tolerant of something it means that I don't like it or I would prefer it if it were gone.

soldier4242

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

You and he would probably be the first to report a thread if it was something you found against the rules. If it is a topic you agree with you don't care what the rules are.

You are completely incorrect sir and if that is the crux of your reason for disagreeing with me then you are done. I am an atheist but I have time and again posted in favor of people having their prayer thread and their threads that claim nobody can lose weight without god. I believe in free speech even when it is as insipid as yours. You are the one who is calling for censorship. I have said within this very thread that you should be allowed to post what you want.

dirtnap63

Good news indeed.


It's like the cave just got electric lighting.

IpuffyheartHeelsinthegym

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

You and he would probably be the first to report a thread if it was something you found against the rules. If it is a topic you agree with you don't care what the rules are.

I'm not really sure what your deal is. I am just saying we can all have civil discussions without slinging mud. I'm not a whistle blower, so I don't report threads, unless people are out and out name-calling and/or attacking other members or body bashing.

louise62602

YaY!!!!! It's a small step but its still a step!

BenchPressingCats

Good news indeed.


It's like the cave just got electric lighting.

Like the last cave on the block that got electric lighting. But, progress is progress and I hope to keep seeing steps in the right direction! :drinker:

fannyfrost

WooooHoooo!

FYI, tolerance is important. I wish that everyone would learn that lesson, but of course it takes time with equality for those who disagree to become tolerant. Think how long it took in the south to accept that seperate was not equal.

xxghost

So excited!

soldier4242

There are thousands of political groups. Feel free to join it. My point is, if this were a thread lamenting DOMA being stuck down it would last about 2 minutes before it was removed.

Then feel free to test that theory instead of raining on our rainbow parade.

First off I want to say I completely disagree with Lone_Wolf. I do think this is something worth celebrating.

That said I think Lone_Wolf and everyone who agrees with him should be allowed to rain on our parade and that we should just learn to dance in the rain.

We are having this conversation in an open chat forum on the internet. This means we should expect that not everyone is going to agree with us and that even those that disagree with us should have the right to post the same as we do.

I say that the best thing to do is to put their comments through logical scrutiny. If they can defend their position with logic then they their position deserves to be heard. If their position does not stand up to logic then it deserves to be publicly destroyed.

I welcome everyone's input because I certainly don't want mine excluded.

I also think that they should be allowed to make a thread lamenting the loss of DOMA's power and they should expect people like me to be in there debating with them.

Excuse me sir. All I have said is that this topic doesnt belong here. Thats it.

Ok then perhaps you are not against gay marriage. My bad. I still stand behind what I said in a general sense even if you are not a member of the opposing camp.

I know that MFP might have it's own position with regard to what we are allowed to discuss in the general forums and it is their right to shut down any thread that they see fit. So from the perspective of MFP any topic that can be considered divisive they can shut down.

I think MFP really just cares about maintaining a positive atmosphere within the community. In other words if we can discuss a topic maturely then they are less likely to enforce the rule. Their rules are theirs to enforce in a manner consistent with their own arbitrary whims.

I think we should be less like a bunch of children running and a playground looking for infractions to complain about and more like civilized adults discussing topics in a logical manner and that means that we have to allow everyone to have their say.

How very tolerant of you.

It is possible that you are being sarcastic and you are condescending to me because you think I am pompous and arrogant or something equally negative. This is the internet and we are communicating with text so I can't rule that out but if you are being serious then I thank you.

I do try to be tolerant when it is appropriate and I do try to approach things with an even hand. I realize I may have jumped to a hasty conclusion about your overall views of the issue at hand and for that I did have to own up to it but I didn't want the overall idea to be lost.

SoViLicious

Good news indeed.


It's like the cave just got electric lighting.

Like the last cave on the block that got electric lighting. But, progress is progress and I hope to keep seeing steps in the right direction! :drinker:

So now we can bang sober!

polarsjewel

This is an awesome day!

Punkedpoetess

This is very exciting and a step in the right direction!

Lone_Wolf70

if we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place. There's just a right way and wrong way to disagree.

You and he would probably be the first to report a thread if it was something you found against the rules. If it is a topic you agree with you don't care what the rules are.

I have reported you for being a fake profile. You just joined the site, your first forum past was today and you somehow end up only in a relationship thread before switching over to this DOMA thread...how convenient. Are you Lone_Wolf? I bet you are. If not, you're still just a troll. TROLL!

This is not me. WTF? all i have said on here is "this is not for Chit chat".