To everyone struggling to lose weight
shamani5
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This documentary explains why we have such a hard time losing weight and why we are hungry all the time. Its a must watch for anyone struggling with weight loss. A really eye opening video! One of the best I've seen.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=moQZd1-BC0Y
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If it says cos you eat too much and move too little I'm in
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Robert Lustig is a contributor, I'm out!0
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I made it through 10 minutes
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Its basically getting to the heart of why its so difficult for people to eat less and exercise more.0
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No it's not
It's drivel0 -
I like Robert lustig. He makes sense to me.0
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I stopped at "a calorie is not a calorie"
A calorie is a unit of measurement like a cm or a kg
It just is
It has no bearing on nutritional qualities
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Sorry there are a whole raft of these pseudo-scientific easily digested mockumentaries out there ...it's really easy to buy into them because they tell us what we want to hear
They tell us to believe: it's not my fault, it's too tough, everyone is in the same boat
But it is our fault. It is tough but possible and everyone can do it when they find a way of eating they can commit to which helps them meet their calorie needs0 -
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Sorry there are a whole raft of these pseudo-scientific easily digested mockumentaries out there ...it's really easy to buy into them because they tell us what we want to hear
They tell us to believe: it's not my fault, it's too tough, everyone is in the same boat
But it is our fault. It is tough but possible and everyone can do it when they find a way of eating they can commit to which helps them meet their calorie needs
This basically...0 -
What we consume and our own weight is one of the few things we actually have total control over, for the most part. The problem is documentaries like these and all the scrambled, messed up information that's out there that wants us to believe we don't. And we want to believe we don't because it's easier that way.0
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Ofcoarse a calorie is a calorie but hes obviously talking about a calorie of food in terms of effect on the body.
What then is the true science? Which health docs aren't mockumentaries? and if its right then how come everyone keeps getting fatter and sicker? Is everyone just lazy? Does sugar not cause insulin to rise? And does insulin not cause fat storage? How can a calorie of protein be equal to a calorie of sugar in terms of effect on the body when one causes fat storage and the other does not? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of counting calories I just believe the path of least resistance for weight loss is limiting sugar intake.0 -
I stopped at "a calorie is not a calorie"
A calorie is a unit of measurement like a cm or a kg
It just is
It has no bearing on nutritional qualities
Having not watched this documentary...
How do u feel about Negative Calories?
I.e., an apple is 60, but takes your body 70 calories to properly digest it. So eating an apple = 10 calorie burn ...
Just interested on your take
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Sugar is not the problem, over consumption is the problem.0
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silverspring47 wrote: »I stopped at "a calorie is not a calorie"
A calorie is a unit of measurement like a cm or a kg
It just is
It has no bearing on nutritional qualities
Having not watched this documentary...
How do u feel about Negative Calories?
I.e., an apple is 60, but takes your body 70 calories to properly digest it. So eating an apple = 10 calorie burn ...
Just interested on your take
:bigsmile:
My take is that kind of nonsense is how people get fat0 -
Ofcoarse a calorie is a calorie but hes obviously talking about a calorie of food in terms of effect on the body.
What then is the true science? Which health docs aren't mockumentaries? and if its right then how come everyone keeps getting fatter and sicker? Is everyone just lazy? Does sugar not cause insulin to rise? And does insulin not cause fat storage? How can a calorie of protein be equal to a calorie of sugar in terms of effect on the body when one causes fat storage and the other does not? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of counting calories I just believe the path of least resistance for weight loss is limiting sugar intake.
Insulin is a natural hormone with a job to do ...you've just described part of its job ...that's what it is meant to do in a healthy body. Fat storage only happens when there are excess calories. And you know protein caused an insulin response too, right?
Identifying insulin and it's natural role as concerning is itself concerning
If limiting sugar works for you personally to get your calories in control then that's great ...I will assume you mean added sugar that are added to fats, carbs and proteins to make highly palatable foods and not fruit, dairy, vegetables0 -
MommyL2015 wrote: »What we consume and our own weight is one of the few things we actually have total control over, for the most part. The problem is documentaries like these and all the scrambled, messed up information that's out there that wants us to believe we don't. And we want to believe we don't because it's easier that way.
On the contrary, learning about the effects different foods have on our body can allow us to have more control over our health.
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Lustig is a quack and one of the biggest woo peddlers. And for that reason....
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Protein when eaten by itself does not cause insulin to rise. Protein keeps blood sugar steady. There is nothing wrong with insulin doing its job. The issue is too much sugar causing unwanted weight gain.0
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Ofcoarse a calorie is a calorie but hes obviously talking about a calorie of food in terms of effect on the body.
What then is the true science? Which health docs aren't mockumentaries? and if its right then how come everyone keeps getting fatter and sicker? Is everyone just lazy? Does sugar not cause insulin to rise? And does insulin not cause fat storage? How can a calorie of protein be equal to a calorie of sugar in terms of effect on the body when one causes fat storage and the other does not? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of counting calories I just believe the path of least resistance for weight loss is limiting sugar intake.
'Everyone' is not getting fatter and sicker. I'm smack in the middle of a healthy BMI. My husband is now in the normal range. My kids are both competitive athletes with low body fat levels. It comes down to personal choices. If I make bad choices, I will regain.0 -
silverspring47 wrote: »I stopped at "a calorie is not a calorie"
A calorie is a unit of measurement like a cm or a kg
It just is
It has no bearing on nutritional qualities
Having not watched this documentary...
How do u feel about Negative Calories?
I.e., an apple is 60, but takes your body 70 calories to properly digest it. So eating an apple = 10 calorie burn ...
Just interested on your take
I'm not rabbit, but I'll give you my take on it... that it's a good laugh. That had to have burned at least 10 calories, too!0 -
@shamani5, I'll try to answer your questions.What then is the true science? Which health docs aren't mockumentaries?
Documentaries in general are not completely objective; their subject is non-fictional, however which aspects of the topic are shown and in what manner is based on the perspective of the director. You're better served reviewing published journal studies, but even those have their flaws and it's important to consider the limitations of studies when reviewing the information, as well as reading studies which have reached opposing conclusions.and if its right then how come everyone keeps getting fatter and sicker? Is everyone just lazy?
Weight gain is the result of a calorie surplus. This doesn't mean people are lazy, just that their calorie intake exceeds their calorie output. This can be the result of increased intake, decreased activity, medical conditions, and hormonal changes, for example. These factors do not negate the energy balance equation, but failing to factor them in or incorrect estimations (thinking you eat less than you do, or that you burn way more calories than you do) can give people the impression that something else is going on not related to calorie surplus.Does sugar not cause insulin to rise? And does insulin not cause fat storage? How can a calorie of protein be equal to a calorie of sugar in terms of effect on the body when one causes fat storage and the other does not?
Yes, sugar causes insulin to rise, but so does protein. Fat storage is the result of excess calories; you can gain weight eating the majority of your diet in protein if you overeat your calorie goal. If someone has a medical condition, then sugar could be an issue, but eating sugar is not going to cause fat to store on someone who is truly in a caloric deficit.Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of counting calories I just believe the path of least resistance for weight loss is limiting sugar intake.
And there is nothing wrong with this. If limiting your sugar intake helps you achieve your calorie deficit in a manageable and sustainable manner, then by all means, do what you need to do. I personally find the path of least resistance for me is to eat as many calories as I can while still losing weight, getting my micronutrients, hitting my macros the best I can, and getting regular physical activity. Sugar isn't something I watch per se (fiber is more relevant to my needs in terms of tracking), but it's also not something that is an obstacle for me personally.0 -
Protein when eaten by itself does not cause insulin to rise. Protein keeps blood sugar steady. There is nothing wrong with insulin doing its job. The issue is too much sugar many calories causing unwanted weight gain.
Sorry, but protein does in fact spike blood glucose - in fact the spike is nearly equal to that of carbs. The insulin reaction is present also - not as high as with carbs, but the BG spike is. If you'd like to move beyond Lustig's junk science into actual real sciency science (the true kind, not the made-up kind), here's an article which properly explains what insulin is and what it does.
Also, FIFY on the last statement.0 -
Protein when eaten by itself does not cause insulin to rise. Protein keeps blood sugar steady. There is nothing wrong with insulin doing its job. The issue is too much sugar causing unwanted weight gain.
Too much sugar can only cause weight gain if you eat more than you burn. The obesity problem is because people are eating too much of everything. I got fat eating a well-balanced diet. Well-balanced as far as nutrition, very off-balance as far as calories were concerned. I have not changed my diet. I have only changed how much I consume of the things I eat and I started moving more.
I ate at Firehouse subs today, had pizza for dinner and just finished a candy cane. While I don't eat take out every day, this is a typical weekend day for me. I was under my calories. I have eaten this way since I decided to take control of my own weight and health and I have lost 50 pounds. I am now down to a weight I have not seen since I was in high school. I squealed like a school girl when my blood work and other tests came back improved, improved to the point where everything is now in normal range. My cholesterol was high, my blood pressure--I was going downhill fast. Because I ate too much, not because I ate too much sugar or carbs or whatever.
I eat carbs and sugar every single day.0 -
If it says cos you eat too much and move too little I'm in
Otherwise not
Ok, so I ended up watching it and it basically says that but blames everything except the person - the food industry, the environment, the biochemistry of the brain, etc. Very big on the "sugar is the devil" message.
The message was a bit circular IMO. It outright says eating less and moving more doesn't work but goes on to say that's what we need to do. Oh, and sugar is the devil.
And, in case I wasn't clear, the main message of the video is that sugar is the devil.
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If it says cos you eat too much and move too little I'm in
Otherwise not
Ok, so I ended up watching it and it basically says that but blames everything except the person - the food industry, the environment, the biochemistry of the brain, etc. Very big on the "sugar is the devil" message.
The message was a bit circular IMO. It outright says eating less and moving more doesn't work but goes on to say that's what we need to do. Oh, and sugar is the devil.
And, in case I wasn't clear, the main message of the video is that sugar is the devil.
The devil you say!!0 -
I eat carbs and sugar every day also and am losing a pound a week. The problem lies in excess sugar which also causes hunger as well as fat storage. Of coarse a calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight. But for a lot of people limiting sugar will help create a much more sustainable diet because losing weight and keeping it off always comes back to the right amount of calories. And sticking with the right amount of calories is very difficult if your hungry all the time. Proponents of the low carb diet say they are less hungry and therefore eat less calories.0
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I eat carbs and sugar every day also and am losing a pound a week. The problem lies in excess sugar which also causes hunger as well as fat storage. Of coarse a calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight. But for a lot of people limiting sugar will help create a much more sustainable diet because losing weight and keeping it off always comes back to the right amount of calories. And sticking with the right amount of calories is very difficult if your hungry all the time. Proponents of the low carb diet say they are less hungry and therefore eat less calories.
I lost my weight eating a balanced diet of all things and was never overly hungry. I don't do hunger well.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »I eat carbs and sugar every day also and am losing a pound a week. The problem lies in excess sugar which also causes hunger as well as fat storage. Of coarse a calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight. But for a lot of people limiting sugar will help create a much more sustainable diet because losing weight and keeping it off always comes back to the right amount of calories. And sticking with the right amount of calories is very difficult if your hungry all the time. Proponents of the low carb diet say they are less hungry and therefore eat less calories.
I lost my weight eating a balanced diet of all things and was never overly hungry. I don't do hunger well.
This^^ I would say I was much more hungry going low carb. To each his own.0
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