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Splitbygreg wrote: »
I'm guessing 'for as long as you can recall' is also a relative term in your case.0 -
So you are saying he's got time. 10 years is forever.Chrishartman1979 wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Dude, your 26 years old. I was at that point once in my life. Take it from someone who has been there. If you cant drink in moderation you may want to stop completely. Binge drinking is not a good habit to have. I have been struggling myself since I have turned 21 (I am now 36). I was the "fun" drunk so I it was almost expected of me when me and my friends went out. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to think about where I wanted to be in 5-10 years.
Some people can go out and have a glass of wine at dinner and that's fine....Once I start the party, it doesn't stop. Then I start making bad decisions. And, once you get older. You don't bounce back. A three day hangover is not fun.
You have to make a choice man. If you are trying to be healthy, quit completely. Hang out with other people who are sober. Try to do things in social circles that does not involve drinking. The sooner you do it, the better everything in your life will be.
If you are going to the gym during the week and then ruining it on the weekends that's pretty self destructive. Not trying to be a buzzkill. Just trying to help a fella out. Good luck.
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Splitbygreg wrote: »
By this logic-the heroin addict who is homeless due to his addiction is normal because it is normal for him to be chasing that high/spending money on drugs instead of a home.
Binge drinking can be a symptom of alcoholism. The fact that you say you CANT stop is indicative of it being a huge problem. It took a family member of mine 2 DUIs, a failed marriage and the state taking his children to realize that his binge drinking was an issue. He only drank on days off and for the most part held down a full time job. But when he drank, he would black out and was irresponsible. It got to the point his job let him go because of his second DUI.
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Splitbygreg wrote: »
Your poor liver. God help you.0 -
Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Please speak to someone about your drinking. Blacking out three times a week through alcohol? The least of your problems is it undoing your work at the gym.
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I head a quote recently - the choices you make dictate the life you lead. If you're going to choose to drink until you blackout - then you choose the consequence. If you're trying to lose weight, that's not the way to do it. Don't get me wrong, I have wine from time to time, and when I do, I log it. I've never thrown up, blacked out or been hungover from having had too much to drink. I don't say that to be a prude or say that I'm better than anybody else, I'm just proud of that. I'm not happy that I'm a huge food addict.
But I digress. Yes, there are people on here who do imbibe. My whole family drinks. It's not a weekend unless someone has beer in their hands. My sister once talked about wanting to lose weight and she was hungry, but drinking a beer. I suggested to her that she have something like protein to eat instead of drinking. She said she'd rather have the beer. That's the choice she made and she's not losing weight.
It's pretty simple really - find other ways to deal with what's bugging you. The alcohol is a symptom of whatever's bothering you. (I use food to eat my way through issues, so I can relate.). It may mean seeing a therapist or counselor. It's helped me a lot.
Whatever you choose - good luck to you.0 -
By definition, you can't pre-log and out-exercise a blackout drinking binge- you're blacking out. Not only does that mean you're consuming far more calories than you can work off or "save" during the rest of the week to achieve that level of intoxication (especially if you've been doing this for a long time- it's likely you have a high tolerance and have to consume many more drinks than an alcohol-naive person to get the same symptoms of extreme intoxication). Who knows what else you're eating and drinking at the same time.
That said? The weight loss aspect is only the tiniest drop in the bucket of why you should stop this. The damage you're doing to your body is real and may be permanent, and the sooner you stop the better, to say nothing of what you're likely doing to your relationships. I work in an ER and I treat both young people who are maimed or dying from their own drinking or the drunken idiocy of others, and people, often not much older, who are dying (in profoundly painful, ugly, pitiful ways- ever seen an alcoholic with the shakes and what looks like a six-month pregnant belly from ascites hanging off their skinny, stinky frame?) from the long-term consequences of alcohol abuse.
Even if it feels normal to you, even if many people around you do it, binge drinking three days a week is absolutely alcohol abuse, and by persisting, you're on your way to cirrhosis, liver failure, malnutrition, gut bleeds, and brain damage sooner than you think, and hell, even the ever-present possibility of a fatal accident (fatal to you or someone else) during your next blackout. Are you cool with possibly dying every time you go on a binge? Because that happens. Every night, all over the world, people die of what you're doing. I'm one of the people who puts them in body bags and has to see their sobbing families.
That the excess calories from this behavior will eventually make you fat is true, but that's so far down on the list of why this is a terrible idea.0 -
myfelinepal wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »
I'm guessing 'for as long as you can recall' is also a relative term in your case.
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Splitbygreg wrote: »Do you mean you block the days and drink with no monitoring, or are you talking about physically blacking out from drinking three days a week? The first is changeable, pre log as was previously suggested, and plan. If you're talking about the second, that's not a good thing, and may be indicative of a greater problem, especially if you can't not do it, and I encourage you to seek professional help.
Yeah I mean blacking out from the sauce. Hmmm not going to seek out professional help. I just don't think I want to quit bad enough yet. The only downside to it is the fitness aspect and that I try to beat by doing more in the gym. I like the preloading calories idea tho
Is it normal to drink until you have full blackouts and not fragmentary ones? No. You've pushed that body you're trying to get healthy beyond it's limits.
I've had both, and I can tell you that having temporary amnesia is scary. I have no idea what I said or did during those times, let alone that your ability to make good decisions and control impulses is incredibly low. You may decide working out while you're in a blackout is a really good idea, or getting into your car (http://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/articles/alcohol-induced-blackouts-are-not-reserved-for-alcoholics). And of course, it's not.
Being at that level of drinking means that you could actually get to the point of alcohol poisoning as well.
Does it mean that you're an alcoholic, no. There are some things we can't answer about your life being that this is just a forum on a website, however. I would think seriously about if you can't stop, the thought of giving it up is abhorrent because you can't live a day/week/month/year without it, then that's your answer.0 -
You cannot diet or exercise enough to undo 3 days of heavy binge drinking.
Please stop and seek help. My great-grandfather was a weekend drinker like you. He drank himself to death at 35, but the scars of his alcoholism still devastate not only his children, but their children and even the children of his grandchildren.
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My grandfather drank frequently to excess on days he did not work (amounted to approx. weekend use). He also smoked. He was not an alcoholic by the usual meaning of the word. He did manage to quit all on his own in his early 40s. Basically, he decided he had gone too far and he stopped dead, from what I've been told. But, it was too late. He died a couple of years later with damage to his liver, lungs, throat and heart. Any one of which singly would have been enough to kill him.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
So you are saying he's got time. 10 years is forever.Chrishartman1979 wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Dude, your 26 years old. I was at that point once in my life. Take it from someone who has been there. If you cant drink in moderation you may want to stop completely. Binge drinking is not a good habit to have. I have been struggling myself since I have turned 21 (I am now 36). I was the "fun" drunk so I it was almost expected of me when me and my friends went out. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to think about where I wanted to be in 5-10 years.
Some people can go out and have a glass of wine at dinner and that's fine....Once I start the party, it doesn't stop. Then I start making bad decisions. And, once you get older. You don't bounce back. A three day hangover is not fun.
You have to make a choice man. If you are trying to be healthy, quit completely. Hang out with other people who are sober. Try to do things in social circles that does not involve drinking. The sooner you do it, the better everything in your life will be.
If you are going to the gym during the week and then ruining it on the weekends that's pretty self destructive. Not trying to be a buzzkill. Just trying to help a fella out. Good luck.
He may not have much time.........I lost my 30 year old precious niece to binge drinking on the weekends and then quitting every Monday. She had a seizure and never woke up!
Heartbreaking for everyone who loved her.
I suggest you get help now.0 -
Maybe you need different friends? Ones where hanging out doesn't mean getting so drunk that your black out 3 out of the 7 days in a week.0
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Getting fit or getting blackout drunk every weekend. You choose. You cant do both. Waiting until you're "ready" never gets anyone anywhere. Do what you need to do, but you're slowly killing yourself. What's the fun in blacking out anyway? You don't remember any of the "fun." I sincerely hope you make what you know is the right decision. Your post is a cry for help after all. Find some, please!0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
So you are saying he's got time. 10 years is forever.Chrishartman1979 wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Dude, your 26 years old. I was at that point once in my life. Take it from someone who has been there. If you cant drink in moderation you may want to stop completely. Binge drinking is not a good habit to have. I have been struggling myself since I have turned 21 (I am now 36). I was the "fun" drunk so I it was almost expected of me when me and my friends went out. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to think about where I wanted to be in 5-10 years.
Some people can go out and have a glass of wine at dinner and that's fine....Once I start the party, it doesn't stop. Then I start making bad decisions. And, once you get older. You don't bounce back. A three day hangover is not fun.
You have to make a choice man. If you are trying to be healthy, quit completely. Hang out with other people who are sober. Try to do things in social circles that does not involve drinking. The sooner you do it, the better everything in your life will be.
If you are going to the gym during the week and then ruining it on the weekends that's pretty self destructive. Not trying to be a buzzkill. Just trying to help a fella out. Good luck.
No, I think he was saying that he wished he'd stopped drinking so heavier much earlier in his life. He was trying to be helpful.0 -
Why? Why? Why do you do this to yourself?0
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Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
http://getdrunknotfat.com/0 -
Make sure you've written a will.0
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pootle1972 wrote: »Make sure you've written a will.
As well as advanced directive so that you family doesn't have to worry (or in some cases fight) about decisions regarding life support, artificial nutrition and CPR.0 -
My sister, who readily admits she is an alcoholic, stopped her wine consumption and without any other changes to her diet, lost 30 pounds in a couple of months. Just sayin'.......0
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My grandad was an alcoholic....dead at 40. my dad was an alcoholic he lasted till he was 49.....dying a slow horrible PAINFUL death of multi system organ failure, pissing blood and with no bowel control because the years of drinking had destroyed his intestines and bowels to the point he couldn't eat even if he wanted to and he was fed through a tube and what he was fed just leaked out the other end... Alone because he had alienated himself from his entire extended family swearing with his dying breath he didn't have a problem and fighting with staff because he wanted to go to the pub.....with your attitude.THIS is your future.0
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Dude, seriously. Get it together.
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Chrishartman1979 wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Dude, your 26 years old. I was at that point once in my life. Take it from someone who has been there. If you cant drink in moderation you may want to stop completely. Binge drinking is not a good habit to have. I have been struggling myself since I have turned 21 (I am now 36). I was the "fun" drunk so I it was almost expected of me when me and my friends went out. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to think about where I wanted to be in 5-10 years.
Some people can go out and have a glass of wine at dinner and that's fine....Once I start the party, it doesn't stop. Then I start making bad decisions. And, once you get older. You don't bounce back. A three day hangover is not fun.
You have to make a choice man. If you are trying to be healthy, quit completely. Hang out with other people who are sober. Try to do things in social circles that does not involve drinking. The sooner you do it, the better everything in your life will be.
If you are going to the gym during the week and then ruining it on the weekends that's pretty self destructive. Not trying to be a buzzkill. Just trying to help a fella out. Good luck.
I am going to re-iterate the bold part. My husband is a recovering alcoholic. It started out as binge drinking in his early 20s (where you are now)....and progressed to being a full-on functioning alcoholic (a 6 pack of beer and a bottle of Jack every day - and that was before he went out). He's been sober for almost 15 years (we met 11 years ago). But that involved a LOT of AA, and completely cutting ties with basically everyone he hung out with.
He's only recently regained contact with some of those folks through facebook (the ones who finally quit drinking and settled down themselves)....but there are sadly many others (at least 6 that he knows of) that he will NEVER reconnect with - not because he wouldn't like to catch up with them, but because he can't....those folks didn't quit drinking, and are now dead (either from drunk driving accidents or alcohol-caused disease). And he is not old. Just turned 45. His old drinking buddies that are no longer with us? All but 2 were dead before 35...the other two were gone by 40.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
So you are saying he's got time. 10 years is forever.Chrishartman1979 wrote: »Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Dude, your 26 years old. I was at that point once in my life. Take it from someone who has been there. If you cant drink in moderation you may want to stop completely. Binge drinking is not a good habit to have. I have been struggling myself since I have turned 21 (I am now 36). I was the "fun" drunk so I it was almost expected of me when me and my friends went out. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to think about where I wanted to be in 5-10 years.
Some people can go out and have a glass of wine at dinner and that's fine....Once I start the party, it doesn't stop. Then I start making bad decisions. And, once you get older. You don't bounce back. A three day hangover is not fun.
You have to make a choice man. If you are trying to be healthy, quit completely. Hang out with other people who are sober. Try to do things in social circles that does not involve drinking. The sooner you do it, the better everything in your life will be.
If you are going to the gym during the week and then ruining it on the weekends that's pretty self destructive. Not trying to be a buzzkill. Just trying to help a fella out. Good luck.
He may not have much time.........I lost my 30 year old precious niece to binge drinking on the weekends and then quitting every Monday. She had a seizure and never woke up!
Heartbreaking for everyone who loved her.
I suggest you get help now.
That's a better scare - someone being told about "I regret it 10 years after" isn't really digging in to the emotional blackmail.-1 -
i see a lot of people affected by alcohol here. i just want to mention there is al-anon for friends and family who has been affected by alcohol(ism)
sober folk are not a glum lot.0 -
Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
Can you try cutting it down to two nights? And try to include a few glasses of water through out the night.
Drink a few electrolytes before you go out or before you open the bottle/can etc.
It really is pointless working out in the gym when you are doing so much harm to yourself the rest of the time. Kind of like putting a pig in a dress. The alcohol will give you skin soooo bad you'll still look like a wash leather.0 -
I can't really say anything that someone else hasn't said. I will however, offer my support. I quit drinking January 4th and haven't touched anything since. I had a pretty serious drinking habit (couple of bottles of vodka a week not including what I drank when I went out). It hasn't been easy, but it hasn't been as hard as I anticipated. I'm not saying I'll never drink again, but I won't drink until I feel I can do it in moderation.
I sincerely wish you luck, alcohol is a mean b!tch.0 -
rchlthompson wrote: »I can't really say anything that someone else hasn't said. I will however, offer my support. I quit drinking January 4th and haven't touched anything since. I had a pretty serious drinking habit (couple of bottles of vodka a week not including what I drank when I went out). It hasn't been easy, but it hasn't been as hard as I anticipated. I'm not saying I'll never drink again, but I won't drink until I feel I can do it in moderation.
I sincerely wish you luck, alcohol is a mean b!tch.
Yes but as most mean *kitten* they are a fun time if not in constant interaction with them.0 -
Splitbygreg wrote: »Am I the only one who blacks out each Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This of course ruining everything I've done in the gym and the kitchen for the last 6 days? Any pointers, tips, ideas, etc?
AA?
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Look at what you wrote
You think that's normal?
Yep. Many people fit social drinking into their weight loss or fitness goals.
Blacking out three days a week is binge-drinking at best and alcoholism at worst, and that requires professional intervention, not a post on a fitness forum. You need help of a type that people here are not really equipped to give you.
This pretty much sums it up. If you are truly blacking out for three days, you are not simply drinking, you are drinking far to excess, that is a drinking problem.0 -
Splitbygreg wrote: »rchlthompson wrote: »I can't really say anything that someone else hasn't said. I will however, offer my support. I quit drinking January 4th and haven't touched anything since. I had a pretty serious drinking habit (couple of bottles of vodka a week not including what I drank when I went out). It hasn't been easy, but it hasn't been as hard as I anticipated. I'm not saying I'll never drink again, but I won't drink until I feel I can do it in moderation.
I sincerely wish you luck, alcohol is a mean b!tch.
Yes but as most mean *kitten* they are a fun time if not in constant interaction with them.
From reading your responses in this thread, all I see are attempts to rationalize what you're doing. You've said yourself that you're not ready to quit and if that's the case, nothing anybody says here is going to do any good or make any sense to you. Some people learn the easy way, some people learn the hard way, some people never learn.0
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