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Full or low fat dairy?
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DancingDarl wrote: »What I meant to say is that the fatty acids scraped from the low fat versions can assist with feeling fuller for longer. It can assist with hormone regulation also.
I'd have to confess
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I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
ETA: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=130
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!0 -
DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.0 -
DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.
Haha, CLA from natural sources is good, though I definitely don't believe in the woo that comes from the supplements. They just make me sick to my stomach.
That is true! I love goat cheese too, mmmm. That's definitely interesting, I'll have to try! I'm always down to get more from what I eat!
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I was raised on skim milk. I could drink 1%, but not 2% and certainly not whole, otherwise I'd have to claim the bathroom as my very own. I can eat higher fat cheeses, but not too much. Low-cal cheese is not worth eating, in my opinion. Yogurt can be full fat, my body seems happy with real yogurt.0
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DancingDarl wrote: »What I meant to say is that the fatty acids scraped from the low fat versions can assist with feeling fuller for longer. It can assist with hormone regulation also.
OIC I'm not convinced that dairy is the best source of fat, but I do agree that getting enough fat is important. Luckily I don't have to look to dairy for fat because I hate milk. But fat is never a problem for me, other than trying not to overeat it, that is.
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DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.
Haha, CLA from natural sources is good, though I definitely don't believe in the woo that comes from the supplements. They just make me sick to my stomach.
That is true! I love goat cheese too, mmmm. That's definitely interesting, I'll have to try! I'm always down to get more from what I eat!
CLA is the same fatty acid regardless of where it comes from. Neither way of attaining it has much evidence for it having beneficial effects in humans. Examine.com has a pretty thorough discussion of it.0 -
Could you link the discussion? I'd be interested in reading about it and seeing what resources it uses! I love learning more about things. Though I'd argue that obtaining anything naturally is better than taking a supplement, as it has been proven that supplements don't always contain what they say they do, and also have added coatings and fillers.DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.
Haha, CLA from natural sources is good, though I definitely don't believe in the woo that comes from the supplements. They just make me sick to my stomach.
That is true! I love goat cheese too, mmmm. That's definitely interesting, I'll have to try! I'm always down to get more from what I eat!
CLA is the same fatty acid regardless of where it comes from. Neither way of attaining it has much evidence for it having beneficial effects in humans. Examine.com has a pretty thorough discussion of it.
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http://examine.com/supplements/Conjugated+Linoleic+Acid/DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »
Could you link the discussion? I'd be interested in reading about it and seeing what resources it uses! I love learning more about things. Though I'd argue that obtaining anything naturally is better than taking a supplement, as it has been proven that supplements don't always contain what they say they do, and also have added coatings and fillers.DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.
Haha, CLA from natural sources is good, though I definitely don't believe in the woo that comes from the supplements. They just make me sick to my stomach.
That is true! I love goat cheese too, mmmm. That's definitely interesting, I'll have to try! I'm always down to get more from what I eat!
CLA is the same fatty acid regardless of where it comes from. Neither way of attaining it has much evidence for it having beneficial effects in humans. Examine.com has a pretty thorough discussion of it.
I'm pretty sure food manufacturers can lie about the food they're selling too, though quality control is generally higher than the supplement industry.0 -
I don't think low fat is that much more processed than full fat other than they had to go through the process of removing fat, unless they added sugars or artificial sweeteners and things to make up for the taste. And preservatives and all that. I used to try to do lowish fat and lowish carb just to keep my overall calorie count down, but now that I'm trying LCHF, I'm switching to full fat. I think it will be more satisfying. But I don't really eat that much dairy anyway.
But yeah, full fat is going to have more calories, and stuff like cheese and yogurt adds up really, really fast.0 -
http://examine.com/supplements/Conjugated+Linoleic+Acid/DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »
Could you link the discussion? I'd be interested in reading about it and seeing what resources it uses! I love learning more about things. Though I'd argue that obtaining anything naturally is better than taking a supplement, as it has been proven that supplements don't always contain what they say they do, and also have added coatings and fillers.DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »DizzyMissIzzy wrote: »I was actually about to post something about this in the forum but you beat me to it OP!
I love seeing people's thoughts on this. I was just reading an article, not really a reliable reference in itself, but it uses a lot of reputable references listed below (in the form of academic journals and encyclopedias etc), so I have some degree of faith in it!
Here's what it said about fat percentage:
" Provided that you keep your serving size for grass-fed cow's milk at 4 ounces or less, we recommend that you consume it in the form of whole milk. Not only is whole milk the least processed form of milk (placing it in the category of a whole, natural food), it's also the form of grass-fed milk that will provide you with the most omega-3s and other key nutrients. Traditionally, health organizations have not recommended whole milk in the diet but rather reduced fat milk, including 2%, skim, and nonfat milk. Since too much total fat, too much saturated fat, and too many calories in a daily meal plan can raise the risk of certain health problems, this traditional approach makes sense for individuals who cannot make room in their daily meal plan for the amount of total fat, saturated fat, and calories contained in whole milk. However, we believe that many people who may want to include a 4-ounce serving of grass-fed milk in their meal plan will be able to include it in the form of whole milk while still remaining within the guidelines for intake of total fat, saturated fat, and calories."
Also, the more natural and organic the milk is, apparently the more CLA it has, which is useful as it has been know to help maintain ideal weight and blood sugar!
CLA appears helpful ... rats. If you're really interested in getting more from food, I think goat and sheep milk is higher.
Grass feed beef and milk don't seem to have an appreciable amount of omega-3's. It is something on the level of 160 mg ( .16% of a gram) in a 4 oz serving of beef.
Haha, CLA from natural sources is good, though I definitely don't believe in the woo that comes from the supplements. They just make me sick to my stomach.
That is true! I love goat cheese too, mmmm. That's definitely interesting, I'll have to try! I'm always down to get more from what I eat!
CLA is the same fatty acid regardless of where it comes from. Neither way of attaining it has much evidence for it having beneficial effects in humans. Examine.com has a pretty thorough discussion of it.
I'm pretty sure food manufacturers can lie about the food they're selling too, though quality control is generally higher than the supplement industry.
Very true. Much higher! Obviously there are things that slip through the cracks, but at least a good amount of food is monitored by the FDA while supplements mostly are not regulated at all. Checking the article out now, thank you very much!0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »I don't think low fat is that much more processed than full fat other than they had to go through the process of removing fat, unless they added sugars or artificial sweeteners and things to make up for the taste. And preservatives and all that. I used to try to do lowish fat and lowish carb just to keep my overall calorie count down, but now that I'm trying LCHF, I'm switching to full fat. I think it will be more satisfying. But I don't really eat that much dairy anyway.
But yeah, full fat is going to have more calories, and stuff like cheese and yogurt adds up really, really fast.
How about Fairlife?0 -
Personal choice. If I'm drinking milk or eating cereal, I like 2%, because something about chugging the full-fat gives me a weird mouth-feel and I don't like it. Otherwise I cook with butter, cream, etc.0
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If you go low fat or fat free on Anything, just make sure to read the label and make sure they aren't just replacing the fat with tons of sugar. (Read the ingredients for hidden sugars too) More calories made up of natural fats is way better for you and better for weight loss than less calories made up of sugar.0
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I can't believe so many people think there is added sugar in low fat dairy...mind blown....0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I can't believe so many people think there is added sugar in low fat dairy...mind blown....
I cant believe people like drinking full fat milk.. its like drinking lard... only thing worst is cottage cheese. Its like eating vomit.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I can't believe so many people think there is added sugar in low fat dairy...mind blown....
I cant believe people like drinking full fat milk.. its like drinking lard... only thing worst is cottage cheese. Its like eating vomit.
Can't touch that.0 -
Full cream dairy all the way!0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I can't believe so many people think there is added sugar in low fat dairy...mind blown....
I can believe people like drinking full fat milk.. its like drinking lard... only thing worst is cottage cheese. Its like eating vomit.
I put heavy cream in my whole milk, YUM!0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I can't believe so many people think there is added sugar in low fat dairy...mind blown....
I cant believe people like drinking full fat milk.. its like drinking lard... only thing worst is cottage cheese. Its like eating vomit.
I don't drink full fat milk because I don't like the way it coats my mouth - I'll happily eat cottage cheese, though. Plain isn't the best (needs more flavor), but it's not bad either.0 -
A recent study in Circulation showed that people with higher circulating biomarkers for dairy fat had a lower risk of developing diabetes.
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2016/03/22/CIRCULATIONAHA.115.018410.abstract0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If your weight loss is stalling it is not mean for sure that your diet that is the culprit. You may be overestimating your burn in exercise. On the dairy front if you choose to consume low fat you could be missing out on important nutrition that comes from full fat dairy. Low fat versions are still better than not consuming any dairy for fewer calories. Just make the decision based on your own preferences.
Other than fat, what important nutrients are present in full fat dairy and not in lowfat?
Last I checked, the higher the fat content the greater the proportion of vitamins A and D. With whipping cream having the highest.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If your weight loss is stalling it is not mean for sure that your diet that is the culprit. You may be overestimating your burn in exercise. On the dairy front if you choose to consume low fat you could be missing out on important nutrition that comes from full fat dairy. Low fat versions are still better than not consuming any dairy for fewer calories. Just make the decision based on your own preferences.
Other than fat, what important nutrients are present in full fat dairy and not in lowfat?
Last I checked, the higher the fat content the greater the proportion of vitamins A and D. With whipping cream having the highest.
I looked at the USDA numbers and it seems to depend solely on the amount of supplementation, so doesn't really matter which you choose -- some low or nonfat versions are better than whole. And, of course, since it's a supplement, you might as well just supplement in some other way. I always have plenty of A through food, but I take D (as the best source is the sun) when it's not summer. (I also don't drink milk, whole or reduced/no fat -- I eat yogurt and cottage cheese, but don't think they are typically supplemented with A and D.)0 -
lithezebra wrote: »A recent study in Circulation showed that people with higher circulating biomarkers for dairy fat had a lower risk of developing diabetes.
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2016/03/22/CIRCULATIONAHA.115.018410.abstractChristine_72 wrote: »
Correlation does not equal causation. The first is the actual study, and the second is a tertiary article about the study. This isn't enough evidence though to paint with broad strokes and say that drinking full fat milk has anything to do (from a mechanism standpoint) with how/why diabetes mellitus develops, specifically because this is a cohort study. All they did was gather information about drinking full fat milk and incidence rates of diabetes. It's like a study looking into the incidence of drowning and ice cream sales (it was a real study). As ice cream sales increase, so do the incidence rates of drowning. Does that mean ice cream makes people drown? No, it means more people eat ice cream and swim in the summer, and because more people are swimming, more people drown.
The reason there is a correlation between full fat milk and the decrease in diabetes is more because of what happens when the full fat is removed. People tend to feel hungrier because they lack the satiety of full fat products and end up supplementing the calories with carbohydrates, thus triggering an insuling response and so on.
What individuals should do would be to drink the skim milk and then replace the loss of calories from fat not with carbohydrates, but with a source of unsaturated fatty acids, especially Omega-3's as the American diet is generally lacking Omega-3's...0 -
lithezebra wrote: »A recent study in Circulation showed that people with higher circulating biomarkers for dairy fat had a lower risk of developing diabetes.
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2016/03/22/CIRCULATIONAHA.115.018410.abstract
Correlation does not equal causation. .The first is the actual study, and the second is a tertiary article about the study. This isn't enough evidence though to paint with broad strokes and say that drinking full fat milk has anything to do (from a mechanism standpoint) with how/why diabetes mellitus develops, specifically because this is a cohort study. All they did was gather information about drinking full fat milk and incidence rates of diabetes. It's like a study looking into the incidence of drowning and ice cream sales (it was a real study). As ice cream sales increase, so do the incidence rates of drowning. Does that mean ice cream makes people drown? No, it means more people eat ice cream and swim in the summer, and because more people are swimming, more people drown.Christine_72 wrote: »
No. The researchers did what the title suggests they did, which was to test for biomarkers of dairy fat in the blood of the study participants. Those would be the odd chain fatty acids 15:0, 17:0, and the trans palmitoleic acid, t-16:1n-7. They did not gather information about drinking full fat milk and incidence of diabetes, and base their conclusions on that.The reason there is a correlation between full fat milk and the decrease in diabetes is more because of what happens when the full fat is removed. People tend to feel hungrier because they lack the satiety of full fat products and end up supplementing the calories with carbohydrates, thus triggering an insuling response and so on.
What individuals should do would be to drink the skim milk and then replace the loss of calories from fat not with carbohydrates, but with a source of unsaturated fatty acids, especially Omega-3's as the American diet is generally lacking Omega-3's...
What happened to the restraint of "correlation does not equal causation?" Now you're stating your opinion as fact. My opinion is also that full fat dairy is more satiating, however I don't know if that is why people with higher fatty acid biomarkers of dairy fat in their blood had a lower incidence of diabetes. Trans palmitoleic acid has been linked in other studies to increased insulin sensitivity, for example, and that could have an effect on the development of diabetes.0 -
My mother-in-law is 70 and in good shape drinking full fat milk. She's not a cheese eater though. If she bakes, she eats butter. She just takes cholesterol medicine like everybody else. Following her lead, I decided that I would not buy anymore 1 percent milk. I made it 2 percent milk. I noticed my kids look a little healthier. I think it is great that you are questioning established nutritional guidelines.
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As several other people pointed out there's nothing chemical about removing the fat from the milk. Fat and water aren't soluble together, so when you leave the milk to sit the cream (fat) rises to the top. You actually have to work to keep the fat in solution with the milk (by churning).
My grandfather was a dairy farmer. I grew up helping milk cows and other tasks on the farm. I am perfectly content with the safety of pasteurized milk, although there are a couple recipes I use that require raw. Ostkaka, Rømmegrøt ... you can make the latter from pasteurized, but its better from raw. Forget about getting Ostkaka correct though if you aren't using raw milk.
I've never cared for fatty milk, even as a child. In my family this was not considered "normal" but there you have it. I drink skimmed milk. I'm fine with fattier milk in baked goods.
I have drank skim milk for about 40 years but I eat full fat cheese and cook with fattier milk too. My mother grew up near her grandparents dairy farm and loved full fat milk but not me. They made skim milk back in the 1920's because the cream was worth more for butter making.0 -
I don't drink full fat milk because I don't like the way it coats my mouth - I'll happily eat cottage cheese, though. Plain isn't the best (needs more flavor), but it's not bad either.
As a singer, I avoid all milk regardless of fat content for several hours before I need to perform for this reason.
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