Cardio isn't for "fat burning".
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cwolfman13 wrote: »
But how can that happen if, like some people think, exercise in and of itself burns fat?
Pretty sure that's how people burn fat AND build muscle at the same time. The workout burns all the fat, the post-workout shake builds all the muscle. And in just 10 days, too!
I thought it was 30 or 90 depending on the Beach Body DVD you're using.
Not if you follow the included "Quick Start" pamphlet. You can drop a dress size in 7-10 days!
I don't think I got that with my order. Does it talk about how to make my muscles longer? I'll have to email beachbody...
Sure! They include a bonus Stretching workout so you get long, lean muscles. Just like the bikini models.0 -
And this exchange is proof I have done WAY too many Beachbody workouts
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cwolfman13 wrote: »
But how can that happen if, like some people think, exercise in and of itself burns fat?
Pretty sure that's how people burn fat AND build muscle at the same time. The workout burns all the fat, the post-workout shake builds all the muscle. And in just 10 days, too!
I thought it was 30 or 90 depending on the Beach Body DVD you're using.
Or Jane Fonda apparently.0 -
I wish my calf muscles were shorter, would give me slimer legs at the bottom. Sigh, genes blah!0
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who knew that a basic concept like you need a calorie deficit for weight loss could be so controversial....never change MFP, never change...0
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Yep, I know people IRL that have told me I can gain muscle without having to eat any more calories than I expend.
There are indeed...
But how can that happen if, like some people think, exercise in and of itself burns fat?
By the same thinking, shouldn't weightlifting alone build muscle? Of course not. So why would fat loss be any different...?
True that, though many people think they will gain by lifting, even without a caloric surplus.
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who knew that a basic concept like you need a calorie deficit for weight loss could be so controversial....never change MFP, never change...
c'mon man, everyone knows you don't consume less than you expend...you expend more than you consume...
but then again, 2+3=5...and 3+2=5....wait, what was the question?0 -
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There is this guy at the gym that churns away at the stationary bike for an hour several times per week for the past 5 years that I've been going there, and he has an amazing pot-belly. He also does a lot of toe touches. The fat burning thing hasn't kicked in yet.0
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Bry_Lander wrote: »There is this guy at the gym that churns away at the stationary bike for an hour several times per week for the past 5 years that I've been going there, and he has an amazing pot-belly. He also does a lot of toe touches. The fat burning thing hasn't kicked in yet.
any day now it will ....0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »who knew that a basic concept like you need a calorie deficit for weight loss could be so controversial....never change MFP, never change...
c'mon man, everyone knows you don't consume less than you expend...you expend more than you consume...
but then again, 2+3=5...and 3+2=5....wait, what was the question?
i typically expand more than I consume...0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »There is this guy at the gym that churns away at the stationary bike for an hour several times per week for the past 5 years that I've been going there, and he has an amazing pot-belly. He also does a lot of toe touches. The fat burning thing hasn't kicked in yet.
Yep. Since 2008 I have done a lot of cycling, usually 2000-3000 miles a year, sometimes more. Most has been in the so-called "fat-burning" zone. My weight has gone up and down in that period depending entirely on whether I was in a calorie deficit. Here I am in the middle of a bike tour in summer 2011. As you can see, all that "fat-burning" was not leading to fat loss, because I was eating more than I was expending, and the result was that the excess calories were being stored as fat.
It's true that the body draws more on fat reserves for fuel in the short term when doing some exercises than it does when doing others. But, as @cwolfman13 has repeatedly said, but which is news to some people, that fact means absolutely nothing in terms of long-term fat loss. The body is very good at responding to increased exercise with increased hunger!0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »There is this guy at the gym that churns away at the stationary bike for an hour several times per week for the past 5 years that I've been going there, and he has an amazing pot-belly. He also does a lot of toe touches. The fat burning thing hasn't kicked in yet.
Yep. Since 2008 I have done a lot of cycling, usually 2000-3000 miles a year, sometimes more. Most has been in the so-called "fat-burning" zone. My weight has gone up and down in that period depending entirely on whether I was in a calorie deficit. Here I am in the middle of a bike tour in summer 2011. As you can see, all that "fat-burning" was not leading to fat loss, because I was eating more than I was expending, and the result was that the excess calories were being stored as fat.
It's true that the body draws more on fat reserves for fuel in the short term when doing some exercises than it does when doing others. But, as @cwolfman13 has repeatedly said, but which is news to some people, that fact means absolutely nothing in terms of long-term fat loss. The body is very good at responding to increased exercise with increased hunger!
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The TDEE would then be 2500 and if they ate 2000 calories, then yes they should lose fat.jessicarae0316 wrote: »
If that same person who's TDEE is 2000, ate 2000 calories, and burned 500 calories doing cardio....would they lose fat?
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Rest is important. Not only for recovery but to burn fat stores.Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
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Yes, of course it all comes down to CICO. I'm still leaner when I'm doing cardio regularly than when I'm not, so exercise must be making it easier to burn what I eat. Cardio is also a great thing to do when you're at home and feel like snacking. Don't eat, go for a walk, hit the gym, do some dancing.0
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What contradiction? Cardio burns calories. One could do 2 hours of cardio and burn 1000 calories. Let's now say their TDEE is 3000 calories. Now they eat 3000 calories. Guess what? No weight or fat loss. If they eat 2500 calories, they lose weight and fat. Where's the confusion?Commander_Keen wrote: »Cardio is done to improve cardio vascular fitness and burn calories. It will HELP with a calorie deficit and for some that do a lot of cardio, allow one to eat more versus someone at the same weight who does little or no cardio at all.
Like all other physical activity, GLYCOGEN will be the first thing burned before fat is even touched (ratio will vary more to fat if duration extended and/or intensity is lower) so the addage that one needs to do cardio to burn fat is a myth. You burn fat with a calorie deficit. Don't believe it? Do whatever cardio you want, but eat your TDEE. You'll more likely keep the same bodyfat percentage if you keep doing that.
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There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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Aren't you just contracting your self?
You said "You burn fat with a calorie deficit"
Then you said, " How you lose fat is based more on CICO "
Now doesn't cardio burn Calories?
If yes, doesn't that mean then CI < CO + Cardio and isn't that what you said at the begging?
Look dude. I don't know your point
but I know that there are people out there who spent 2hrs a day doing cardio and loosing weight and looks great.
CICO dictates whether you gain/lose/maintain weight. A CI<CO (regardless of how it's achieved) is a calorie deficit.
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Of course it does. It's expending energy. But if you match that energy out with equal energy in (eating) there IS NO CALORIE DEFICIT.Commander_Keen wrote: »Are you suggesting/stating that exercise (or cardio) does not does not increase the calories out?
TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) is 2000 calories (that INCLUDES cardio). Intake is 2000 calories. Weight is maintained. There is no calorie deficit.
Is this making sense yet?
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Dude..........it's cause of PED's.
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I'm gonna make my own supplement line and claim it can be done in 5 days. That means I can charge double for the same results in half the time.
But how can that happen if, like some people think, exercise in and of itself burns fat?
Pretty sure that's how people burn fat AND build muscle at the same time. The workout burns all the fat, the post-workout shake builds all the muscle. And in just 10 days, too!
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