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Carbs cause cancer - Scientific proof
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Cancer risks can address a specific population with a degree of accuracy but can not address the risk of one specific person. As with smoking mentioned above I knew a guy that made it into his 90's both smoking and drinking. His daughter just retired at age 75 and has smoked all of her life. Others never smoked and get lung cancer.
I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?0 -
It's not "carbs."0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?
It could be because the smokers risk is already high.
I also wonder how much information they took on smoking things other than tobacco.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?
It could be because the smokers risk is already high.
I also wonder how much information they took on smoking things other than tobacco.
The CRFs I've seen basically ask 'do you smoke' and 'how often', not specifically 'what do you smoke'. That said, a lung-related clinical study has not crossed my desk, so they may ask more detailed/specific questions.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?
It could be because the smokers risk is already high.
I also wonder how much information they took on smoking things other than tobacco.
The CRFs I've seen basically ask 'do you smoke' and 'how often', not specifically 'what do you smoke'. That said, a lung-related clinical study has not crossed my desk, so they may ask more detailed/specific questions.
But when asked that, I imagine most people assume they are being asked about tobacco. And since other substances are probably illegal, they are much more likely to lie about them.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?
It could be because the smokers risk is already high.
I also wonder how much information they took on smoking things other than tobacco.
The CRFs I've seen basically ask 'do you smoke' and 'how often', not specifically 'what do you smoke'. That said, a lung-related clinical study has not crossed my desk, so they may ask more detailed/specific questions.
But when asked that, I imagine most people assume they are being asked about tobacco. And since other substances are probably illegal, they are much more likely to lie about them.
I don't think they assume tobacco unless they've never smoked anything else. Smoking pot seems to be generally understood to be included. Things like crack pipes as well - almost anything you light up, stick in your mouth and inhale. We do find that using a hookah or e-cig is often not considered smoking. I think those questions will likely change in the not too distant future to 'use of inhalant' or similar.
Lying on the forms is a problem, though, whether they smoke legal or illegal items (or are promiscuous or any number of other things).0 -
Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?0
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_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Too-much-fibre-harms-the-colon
Not saying I'm worried about it, but it really does seem that everything has been linked to cancer.0 -
_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
I read that vodka is okay.0 -
_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
ME.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I do not get 'why' carbs would increase the risk of lung cancer more in a non smoker than a smoker if I read the article correctly?
It could be because the smokers risk is already high.
I also wonder how much information they took on smoking things other than tobacco.
The CRFs I've seen basically ask 'do you smoke' and 'how often', not specifically 'what do you smoke'. That said, a lung-related clinical study has not crossed my desk, so they may ask more detailed/specific questions.
But when asked that, I imagine most people assume they are being asked about tobacco. And since other substances are probably illegal, they are much more likely to lie about them.
I don't think they assume tobacco unless they've never smoked anything else. Smoking pot seems to be generally understood to be included. Things like crack pipes as well - almost anything you light up, stick in your mouth and inhale. We do find that using a hookah or e-cig is often not considered smoking. I think those questions will likely change in the not too distant future to 'use of inhalant' or similar.
Lying on the forms is a problem, though, whether they smoke legal or illegal items (or are promiscuous or any number of other things).
Are you telling me vaping my crack might not be safe?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Too-much-fibre-harms-the-colon
Not saying I'm worried about it, but it really does seem that everything has been linked to cancer.
One blurb about ambiguous data with zero research sited?0 -
_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
@_lyndseybrooke_ it was a surprise to me but eating fats does not increase cancer risks per this doctor mentioned above.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40
Dr. Craig Thompson the president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center is talking about cancer risks from different types of calories. It supports how LCHF lowers the risk of cancer in humans. Go to 26:30 for the lead in and the slide is at 27:00 on the video.
Clearly the type of calories is important when it comes to cancer risks per Dr. Thompson.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
@_lyndseybrooke_ it was a surprise to me but eating fats does not increase cancer risks per this doctor mentioned above.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40
Dr. Craig Thompson the president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center is talking about cancer risks from different types of calories. It supports how LCHF lowers the risk of cancer in humans. Go to 26:30 for the lead in and the slide is at 27:00 on the video.
Clearly the type of calories is important when it comes to cancer risks per Dr. Thompson.
This doctor may not think there is an association, but that doesn't mean no link has ever been found.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1616815
http://www.pcrm.org/nbBlog/index.php/these-12-studies-show-saturated-fat-is-not-just-a-heart-hazard
http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/5/5/393.full
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GaleHawkins wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
@_lyndseybrooke_ it was a surprise to me but eating fats does not increase cancer risks per this doctor mentioned above.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40
Dr. Craig Thompson the president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center is talking about cancer risks from different types of calories. It supports how LCHF lowers the risk of cancer in humans. Go to 26:30 for the lead in and the slide is at 27:00 on the video.
Clearly the type of calories is important when it comes to cancer risks per Dr. Thompson.
But the title of this thread is Carbs cause cancer - scientific proof. There's a big difference between "LCHF lowers the risk of cancer" and "carbs cause cancer"0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
@_lyndseybrooke_ it was a surprise to me but eating fats does not increase cancer risks per this doctor mentioned above.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40
Dr. Craig Thompson the president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center is talking about cancer risks from different types of calories. It supports how LCHF lowers the risk of cancer in humans. Go to 26:30 for the lead in and the slide is at 27:00 on the video.
Clearly the type of calories is important when it comes to cancer risks per Dr. Thompson.
But (again) from the very same doctors behind this high GI foods study you are so excited about:
https://www.mdanderson.org/newsroom/2016/03/dietary-glycemic-ind.htmlAccumulating evidence suggests that dietary factors may modulate lung cancer risk, explained Xifeng Wu, M.D., Ph.D, professor, Epidemiology and senior author of the study. Diets high in fruits and vegetables may decrease risk, while increased consumption of red meat, saturated fats and dairy products have been shown to increase lung cancer risk.
And this has nothing to do with "the type of calories." It has to do with the effects of different foods.
And again, typically high GI diets is simply a sign of a lower quality or less health conscious diet that typically goes along with fewer fruits and veg (and less fiber)--even those a fruit on its own tends to be higher GI (although not high GL)--and also higher consumption of sat fat and processed meats and less exercise. I'd like to see the study corrected for that and for overall health issues that might be independently correlated with dietary factors (like obesity and T2D).0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Too-much-fibre-harms-the-colon
Not saying I'm worried about it, but it really does seem that everything has been linked to cancer.
One blurb about ambiguous data with zero research sited?
The point is simply that when people say they don't know what to think because everything has been linked to cancer, that's true, at least when we talk about the popular media. No wonder (some) people feel confused or buy into all kinds of faddish things.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Too-much-fibre-harms-the-colon
Not saying I'm worried about it, but it really does seem that everything has been linked to cancer.
One blurb about ambiguous data with zero research sited?
The point is simply that when people say they don't know what to think because everything has been linked to cancer, that's true, at least when we talk about the popular media. No wonder (some) people feel confused or buy into all kinds of faddish things.
Oh, okay. Yeah, if we are including someone ever saying publicly that there might be a link to cancer, then that would cover pretty much everything. Silly me.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »_lyndseybrooke_ wrote: »Seriously, what doesn't cause cancer?
Fiber
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Too-much-fibre-harms-the-colon
Not saying I'm worried about it, but it really does seem that everything has been linked to cancer.
One blurb about ambiguous data with zero research sited?
The point is simply that when people say they don't know what to think because everything has been linked to cancer, that's true, at least when we talk about the popular media. No wonder (some) people feel confused or buy into all kinds of faddish things.
Oh, okay. Yeah, if we are including someone ever saying publicly that there might be a link to cancer, then that would cover pretty much everything. Silly me.
Well it will possibly make you more likely to die once you have the cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598960
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