21 Day Sugar Detox
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michelle172415 wrote: »ClosetBayesian wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »Have you read the book? I'm assuming that you are talking about the 21DSD by Diane Sanfilippo? You need to keep in mind that her first book was Practical Paleo which is practically a bible for people following a Paleo Diet. If you are unfamiliar with the Paleo diet, it focuses on whole foods, preferably organic, dairy free, grain free, legume free, table sugar free, and for the meats its preferable that they eat a traditional diet and not one full of Monsanto corn. A lot of people are able to transition from 21DSD into a Paleo diet rather seamlessly. When she uses the word "detox" it's not in the tradition sense of the word, she doesn't imply that cutting out sugar, both added and natural is going to "cleanse the body", it is more about breaking the hold that sugary and carb loaded foods can have over you. The reason that she restricts fruit is because table sugar (glucose) and fructose in fruit along with High Fructose Corn Syrup are all essentially broken down in the body the same way, and since the goal is preferably to break the addiction, this short 21 day program eliminates them all.
I follow a Paleo diet and while some of the foods can be more pricey, I'm not buying all the junk that I use to and I'm actually eating less, so my grocery budget has stayed exactly the same.
Break what addiction?
The "sugar addiction". That is basically the theme of the book.
Why put it in scare quotes?tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corntincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corn
So then it's not really breaking a sugar addiction, is it? Those things all have sugar in them.
ETA: Curious - why green tipped bananas but not fully ripened bananas?
This.0 -
ClosetBayesian wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »ClosetBayesian wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »Have you read the book? I'm assuming that you are talking about the 21DSD by Diane Sanfilippo? You need to keep in mind that her first book was Practical Paleo which is practically a bible for people following a Paleo Diet. If you are unfamiliar with the Paleo diet, it focuses on whole foods, preferably organic, dairy free, grain free, legume free, table sugar free, and for the meats its preferable that they eat a traditional diet and not one full of Monsanto corn. A lot of people are able to transition from 21DSD into a Paleo diet rather seamlessly. When she uses the word "detox" it's not in the tradition sense of the word, she doesn't imply that cutting out sugar, both added and natural is going to "cleanse the body", it is more about breaking the hold that sugary and carb loaded foods can have over you. The reason that she restricts fruit is because table sugar (glucose) and fructose in fruit along with High Fructose Corn Syrup are all essentially broken down in the body the same way, and since the goal is preferably to break the addiction, this short 21 day program eliminates them all.
I follow a Paleo diet and while some of the foods can be more pricey, I'm not buying all the junk that I use to and I'm actually eating less, so my grocery budget has stayed exactly the same.
Break what addiction?
The "sugar addiction". That is basically the theme of the book.
Why put it in scare quotes?tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corntincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corn
So then it's not really breaking a sugar addiction, is it? Those things all have sugar in them.
ETA: Curious - why green tipped bananas but not fully ripened bananas?
This.
LOL not scare quotes. Actual quote. The authors words, not mine.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corn
So then it's not really breaking a sugar addiction, is it? Those things all have sugar in them.
ETA: Curious - why green tipped bananas but not fully ripened bananas?
Bananas are more starchy when green, as they ripen the starches turn into sugars. I have to assume that's why?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corn
So then it's not really breaking a sugar addiction, is it? Those things all have sugar in them.
ETA: Curious - why green tipped bananas but not fully ripened bananas?
Bananas are more starchy when green, as they ripen the starches turn into sugars. I have to assume that's why?
Seems legit.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »Does the book have you stop eating all fruits and vegetables?
All fruits except for green apples and green tipped bananas, but you still have a limit on those. Most veggies are good except for corn
Sounds sad. Just my 2 cents.0 -
melonaulait wrote: »Sounds sad. Just my 2 cents.
Yea it is, I was cutting up fruit for the baby for lunch today and wanted to eat a piece so bad lol
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I would like to elaborate on my initial response: I personally think this plan sounds a little backwards. I would pick everything apart to identify the problem - is it weight gain? That would be caused by overeating. Is the overeating caused by giving in to cravings? What can we do about that? I'm always for the least possible effort to achieve wanted results. Cravings usually recede when you don't feed them. I have had success with just not buying those things I used to binge on. Instead, I eat plenty of delicious, normal food. I live in Norway, and we have an abundance of cheap cauliflower here now, but I wouldn't buy it if it were too expensive, I'd eat other vegetables instead. I don't overdo the protein. I buy full fat meat and dairy, that's a cheap way of getting healthy fat and protein, and it tastes great. I generally go for the cheapest version, if several food items look equally tempting. I don't do artificial sweeteners; either the real deal (sugar, honey, maple syrup, fruit), or something savoury. Taste buds adapt, habits can be formed and extinguished, environment can be controlled, attitudes can change. A meal plan and SMART plans have become my greatest tools.0
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http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/Fructose_Alarmism_Silenced_Again.cfm
"The idea that the small amount of fructose in fruit is unhealthy or is going to hold back your fat loss in a hypocaloric diet is ridiculous".0 -
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kommodevaran wrote: »I would like to elaborate on my initial response: I personally think this plan sounds a little backwards. I would pick everything apart to identify the problem - is it weight gain? That would be caused by overeating. Is the overeating caused by giving in to cravings? What can we do about that? I'm always for the least possible effort to achieve wanted results. Cravings usually recede when you don't feed them. I have had success with just not buying those things I used to binge on. Instead, I eat plenty of delicious, normal food. I live in Norway, and we have an abundance of cheap cauliflower here now, but I wouldn't buy it if it were too expensive, I'd eat other vegetables instead. I don't overdo the protein. I buy full fat meat and dairy, that's a cheap way of getting healthy fat and protein, and it tastes great. I generally go for the cheapest version, if several food items look equally tempting. I don't do artificial sweeteners; either the real deal (sugar, honey, maple syrup, fruit), or something savoury. Taste buds adapt, habits can be formed and extinguished, environment can be controlled, attitudes can change. A meal plan and SMART plans have become my greatest tools.
Well the last time I did a "no sugar" I did allow myself treats I just did sugarless, like sugarless candy, Truvia in my coffee, coke zero, etc. When the 21 days are over (assuming we are successful) I plan to continue that way and work on my cravings and giving in.
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kommodevaran wrote: »I would like to elaborate on my initial response: I personally think this plan sounds a little backwards. I would pick everything apart to identify the problem - is it weight gain? That would be caused by overeating. Is the overeating caused by giving in to cravings? What can we do about that? I'm always for the least possible effort to achieve wanted results. Cravings usually recede when you don't feed them. I have had success with just not buying those things I used to binge on. Instead, I eat plenty of delicious, normal food. I live in Norway, and we have an abundance of cheap cauliflower here now, but I wouldn't buy it if it were too expensive, I'd eat other vegetables instead. I don't overdo the protein. I buy full fat meat and dairy, that's a cheap way of getting healthy fat and protein, and it tastes great. I generally go for the cheapest version, if several food items look equally tempting. I don't do artificial sweeteners; either the real deal (sugar, honey, maple syrup, fruit), or something savoury. Taste buds adapt, habits can be formed and extinguished, environment can be controlled, attitudes can change. A meal plan and SMART plans have become my greatest tools.
Well the last time I did a "no sugar" I did allow myself treats I just did sugarless, like sugarless candy, Truvia in my coffee, coke zero, etc. When the 21 days are over (assuming we are successful) I plan to continue that way and work on my cravings and giving in.
But why can't you work on your cravings right now, if that is the problem? This plan sounds like a detour to me. ETA: This detox isn't even aimed at the cravings? What is it for, then?0 -
@Cylie5 don't feel you need to justify your decision here. If doing this helps to cut down your cravings, then you are doing the right thing for you.
Just don't go back to how you were eating before, or else you will have to start all over again..0 -
Well the last time I did a "no sugar" I did allow myself treats I just did sugarless, like sugarless candy, Truvia in my coffee, coke zero, etc. When the 21 days are over (assuming we are successful) I plan to continue that way and work on my cravings and giving in.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10305332/when-food-guilt-is-ruining-your-life0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@Cylie5 don't feel you need to justify your decision here. If doing this helps to cut down your cravings, then you are doing the right thing for you.
Just don't go back to how you were eating before, or else you will have to start all over again..
I don't but thank you for saying that
. The aftermath is what I am concerned about, after the 21 days I wanted to go back kinda go.back to what I was doing in the fall and trying to remove/limit added sugars. However I can have a horrible willpower so I'll definitely need to.focus on that.
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Christine_72 wrote: »@Cylie5 don't feel you need to justify your decision here. If doing this helps to cut down your cravings, then you are doing the right thing for you.
Just don't go back to how you were eating before, or else you will have to start all over again..
I don't but thank you for saying that. The aftermath is what I am concerned about, after the 21 days I wanted to go back kinda go.back to what I was doing in the fall and trying to remove/limit added sugars. However I can have a horrible willpower so I'll definitely need to.focus on that.
Just eat the things you love in moderation.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »@Cylie5 don't feel you need to justify your decision here. If doing this helps to cut down your cravings, then you are doing the right thing for you.
Just don't go back to how you were eating before, or else you will have to start all over again..
I don't but thank you for saying that. The aftermath is what I am concerned about, after the 21 days I wanted to go back kinda go.back to what I was doing in the fall and trying to remove/limit added sugars. However I can have a horrible willpower so I'll definitely need to.focus on that.
Just eat the things you love in moderation.
That's the core of it, isn't it. Are we talking about food you love that you "feel" you "shouldn't" eat, or are we talking trigger foods that set off binges? Different issues need different approaches.
I really think this "detox" is spinning of wheels.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »That's the core of it, isn't it. Are we talking about food you love that you "feel" you "shouldn't" eat, or are we talking trigger foods that set off binges? Different issues need different approaches. I really think this "detox" is spinning of wheels.
Well one of things that I wanted to kind of accomplish was to desensitize myself towards sweet things. Not sure if that's the right way of wording it but an example is coffee. I can't drink it unless I have a lot of cream and sugar. My friend and I always joke that we take coffee in our sweet cream. I would typically use artificial sweetners like Equal or Splenda but the chemicals in it I didn't like. When I did my sugar ban in the fall I used Truvia, and when I finished the ban I just tried hard to limit the amount of sugar. I wanted to train myself to not need all of that cream and sugar in my drinks to need them.
With that said I do think Willpower is really important, I can't say I have good willpower, which is also why I wanted to go on a plan like this, I thought perhaps it could help. Im only on day 5 so while Im not confident this is a perfect plan, I don't want to write it off just yet. Part of me still feels like it's just 3 weeks, and pretty easy to complete.
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With coffee, I think it works to just gradually reduce. I never liked sweetened coffee, but I drank it as milk with a bit of coffee in college (well, half and half by the end) and in my 20s just decided it would be more adult to drink it black (and more convenient, since I like milk, not the powdered stuff, and it wasn't always available), so I started putting less and less in, and now I much prefer it black.
I do think taking a break from something you tend to overdo can be useful in getting yourself to think of alternatives (I cut added sugar for a while and enjoyed having cheese or fruit for dessert instead of ice cream, although I have no desire to cut ice cream permanently). I'm not really into these extreme challenged based on the notion that one is addicted to sugar, but of course you have to experiment with what works for you.0 -
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