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Does specific type of food help you lose weight
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michelle172415 wrote: »I'm not sure I'm actually following your post, but if I'm responding to your post title only, no, a specific type of food does not help you lose weight. You lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. Whether you eat 1,200 calories of salad or 1,200 calories of chocolate, if you are in a deficit you will lose weight. Is it always healthy? Probably not, but CICO is the only end game.
How will you burn more calories than you consume? I dont think that eating whatever you want and excercizing will do the trick or be enough
The trick is you can eat whatever you want, but not necessarily as much and as often you'd want if you were eating with no care for the consequences. Instead, any person can generally fit an acceptable amount of at least any one food into their daily allotment and still meet a calorie goal for the day.
I think everyones metabilism is different if i were to eat once a day and all the junk i would weigh more than i do now wich is eating many times small portions work for me and no junk includes choc chips exc..0 -
Again, we are dealing with the false idea of an all-or-nothing mentality.
If you eat a diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables, protein, fiber, and fat that provides the nutrients your body needs, there is nothing wrong with having a fast food lunch or a bag of chips with a soda every once and awhile.
Health, fitness, and weight are not a product of what you do once, they are a product of your daily habits over time.
Most of the studies that show increased risk of disease based on specific foods are based on consuming a large volume of that food every day. Yes, if all you ever ate was hamburgers and french fries, you would be unhealthy. But if all you ate was grilled chicken and broccoli every day, you would be unhealthy too.0 -
Disagree.
And if "bad" food really lead to demise, then penitentiary inmates are immune to death from eating low quality food.
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michelle172415 wrote: »I'm not sure I'm actually following your post, but if I'm responding to your post title only, no, a specific type of food does not help you lose weight. You lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. Whether you eat 1,200 calories of salad or 1,200 calories of chocolate, if you are in a deficit you will lose weight. Is it always healthy? Probably not, but CICO is the only end game.
How will you burn more calories than you consume? I dont think that eating whatever you want and excercizing will do the trick or be enough
The trick is you can eat whatever you want, but not necessarily as much and as often you'd want if you were eating with no care for the consequences. Instead, any person can generally fit an acceptable amount of at least any one food into their daily allotment and still meet a calorie goal for the day.
I think everyones metabilism is different if i were to eat once a day and all the junk i would weigh more than i do now wich is eating many times small portions work for me and no junk includes choc chips exc..
Everyone's metabolism is a unique rate, but the ability of all life to surivive and consume other life relies on most of the chemical reactions involved being identical. Almost anyone can fit in a chocolate chip or other treat in moderation and still achieve a deficit.
~96% of people have a base metabolism within +/-300 calories of the human average or less. Most of the differences in human weight are far more a function of activity and calories.0 -
Again, we are dealing with the false idea of an all-or-nothing mentality.
If you eat a diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables, protein, fiber, and fat that provides the nutrients your body needs, there is nothing wrong with having a fast food lunch or a bag of chips with a soda every once and awhile.
Health, fitness, and weight are not a product of what you do once, they are a product of your daily habits over time.
Most of the studies that show increased risk of disease based on specific foods are based on consuming a large volume of that food every day. Yes, if all you ever ate was hamburgers and french fries, you would be unhealthy. But if all you ate was grilled chicken and broccoli every day, you would be unhealthy too.
I dont think eating the same food everyday is good i cant do it everyone enjoys a hamburger and fries once in a while and for those who are sweet toothes and i definitely am which im trying to avoid... eating right now because i wont accomplish my goal... but i guess everyone has a different opinion relating to eating habbits its whatever works for you0 -
michelle172415 wrote: »I'm not sure I'm actually following your post, but if I'm responding to your post title only, no, a specific type of food does not help you lose weight. You lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. Whether you eat 1,200 calories of salad or 1,200 calories of chocolate, if you are in a deficit you will lose weight. Is it always healthy? Probably not, but CICO is the only end game.
How will you burn more calories than you consume? I dont think that eating whatever you want and excercizing will do the trick or be enough
Whatever you want doesn't mean as much as you want...
I need around 2800 - 3000 calories per day to maintain...if I eat less than that, I will lose weight...I will be burning more calories than I consume and thus body fat will be utilized to make up for that energy deficiency...that's how it works.
Personally, I eat very healthfully because I'm also a nutrition geek...but I also do eat junk...usually a little something every day, and I like beer and whatnot...you lose weight when you consume less energy than you expend....it's pretty basic and really has nothing to do with opinion...it's kind of science and stuff.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
If the eating less you're doing becomes your routine, no, no you don't gain back. That's kind of how the whole thing works. cwolfman13 literally explained it above with his own numbers.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
When people eat more healthfully as you say and avoid fried stuff and whatnot...they're cutting out calories. I could have the same volume of food with one plate (A) being grilled chicken breast, steamed broccoli, and roasted potatoes vs (B) fried chicken, deep fried okra, french fries...the former is simply going to be far less calorie dense and will provide more nutrition...and personally, that's what I'd opt for...but the point people are making is that if you consume less energy (calories) than you expend, you will lose weight regardless of whether you chose option A or B0 -
No specific foods help, but specific ratios can certainly hinder or derail.0
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Agree with others who have noted that a specific type of food will not help you lose weight with respect to 1500 calories of Twinkies=1500 calories of "healthy" food/CICO. Acknowledging that 1500 calories of Twinkies does not have the nutritional value of 1500 calories of a balanced diet of "healthy" food, making it more likely that the consumer may have a more challenging time eating only 1500 calories of Twinkies (want to eat more food) but feel fully sated eating 1500 calories of a well balanced diet (protein and fiber being useful to feel more sated, longer). Thus, a well balanced diet may help a person lose weight by making it easier to maintain a caloric deficit, but not any more than the same calorie restriction eating a non-balanced diet.... for those who are sweet toothes and i definitely am which im trying to avoid... eating right now because i wont accomplish my goal...
That said, I think what others have said about the flexibility of being able to have a treat once in a while is critical. Those that fully restrict their sweets (or whatever they crave) rather than learning to fit those things into a calorie deficit seem more likely to rebound once they achieve their goal and eventually have to start over or lose the same weight over again. I would say every food helps you lose weight, including the "junk" food, because it makes the changes sustainable rather than a "diet" for a specific goal.0 -
brisingr86 wrote: »Agree with others who have noted that a specific type of food will not help you lose weight with respect to 1500 calories of Twinkies=1500 calories of "healthy" food/CICO. Acknowledging that 1500 calories of Twinkies does not have the nutritional value of 1500 calories of a balanced diet of "healthy" food, making it more likely that the consumer may have a more challenging time eating only 1500 calories of Twinkies (want to eat more food) but feel fully sated eating 1500 calories of a well balanced diet (protein and fiber being useful to feel more sated, longer). Thus, a well balanced diet may help a person lose weight by making it easier to maintain a caloric deficit, but not any more than the same calorie restriction eating a non-balanced diet.... for those who are sweet toothes and i definitely am which im trying to avoid... eating right now because i wont accomplish my goal...
That said, I think what others have said about the flexibility of being able to have a treat once in a while is critical. Those that fully restrict their sweets (or whatever they crave) rather than learning to fit those things into a calorie deficit seem more likely to rebound once they achieve their goal and eventually have to start over or lose the same weight over again. I would say every food helps you lose weight, including the "junk" food, because it makes the changes sustainable rather than a "diet" for a specific goal.
Most people do that after they achieve their goal they just go back to their old eating habbits then after a while just put back whatever it is you lost its nice to eat whatever you want once in a while so you wont break down0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
When people eat more healthfully as you say and avoid fried stuff and whatnot...they're cutting out calories. I could have the same volume of food with one plate (A) being grilled chicken breast, steamed broccoli, and roasted potatoes vs (B) fried chicken, deep fried okra, french fries...the former is simply going to be far less calorie dense and will provide more nutrition...and personally, that's what I'd opt for...but the point people are making is that if you consume less energy (calories) than you expend, you will lose weight regardless of whether you chose option A or B
But if you chose A you can eat as many times a day you want fitted to your calory scedhual if i eat 3x a day in my option B i dont think you have a high chance of losing weight easy0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »I'm not sure I'm actually following your post, but if I'm responding to your post title only, no, a specific type of food does not help you lose weight. You lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. Whether you eat 1,200 calories of salad or 1,200 calories of chocolate, if you are in a deficit you will lose weight. Is it always healthy? Probably not, but CICO is the only end game.
How will you burn more calories than you consume? I dont think that eating whatever you want and excercizing will do the trick or be enough
Whatever you want doesn't mean as much as you want...
I need around 2800 - 3000 calories per day to maintain...if I eat less than that, I will lose weight...I will be burning more calories than I consume and thus body fat will be utilized to make up for that energy deficiency...that's how it works.
Personally, I eat very healthfully because I'm also a nutrition geek...but I also do eat junk...usually a little something every day, and I like beer and whatnot...you lose weight when you consume less energy than you expend....it's pretty basic and really has nothing to do with opinion...it's kind of science and stuff.
Beer is good for you anyways0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
If the eating less you're doing becomes your routine, no, no you don't gain back. That's kind of how the whole thing works. cwolfman13 literally explained it above with his own numbers.
Its hard to maintain not impossible just hard..m its like eating less makes your stomach smaller then you just start eating less.... but the thing is.... is our goal to eat less or to eat healthier ..... eating less is not the solution for dieting im sorry but im against it i believe eating small portions many times a day will help you lose more calories than just once a day depending what you eat and its like anorexia how do people start.....eating less then not eating at all0 -
I belive it does! Its not how many times you eat than what you eat a person that will eat once a day but fast food like french fies and hamburger and a person that will eat 3 times a day but will eat chicken breast without frying or broccoli tuna fish exc will most likely lose weight or be in better forming shape then the other person... or some people eat whatever they want without gaining any weight but having health problems
Agree or disagree???
disagree ..
you need a calorie deficit for weight loss, not a speech food type.
Macro/micro adherence for better overall health and body composition.
all calories are the same from an energy standpoint; however, they are not all nutritionally the same.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »High cholesterol or high blood pressure could be because of genetics, not necessarily your diet.
That is possible because 5% of cancer is because of genetics we are told. 95% not being genetically related means a bunch of things must cause cancer. Maybe it can be specific food type related. We know carbs can increase cancer risks where as fats do not.
When I cut out sugars and all forms of gain in 2014 within two weeks carb cravings that I let control my eating just started to fade away. By day thirty the carb cravings had left and took most of my joint and muscle pain with it. Those factors reduced the CI of my CICO and I lost weight. Eating all I want now I have not regained any of the 50 pounds that I lost a year ago. This what happened in my case but some here tell me I am a special snowflake.
no we don't know that carbs increase cancer risk; you have convinced yourself that they do, but that does not mean that statement applies to the general population.
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michelle172415 wrote: »I'm not sure I'm actually following your post, but if I'm responding to your post title only, no, a specific type of food does not help you lose weight. You lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. Whether you eat 1,200 calories of salad or 1,200 calories of chocolate, if you are in a deficit you will lose weight. Is it always healthy? Probably not, but CICO is the only end game.
How will you burn more calories than you consume? I dont think that eating whatever you want and excercizing will do the trick or be enough
The trick is you can eat whatever you want, but not necessarily as much and as often you'd want if you were eating with no care for the consequences. Instead, any person can generally fit an acceptable amount of at least any one food into their daily allotment and still meet a calorie goal for the day.
I think everyones metabilism is different if i were to eat once a day and all the junk i would weigh more than i do now wich is eating many times small portions work for me and no junk includes choc chips exc..
nope, everyones metabolism is the same ....unless one has a medical condition.
the example given is an extreme one as no one is going to just eat 1200 calories of salad or chocolate...
just eat in a deficit and make sure you meet micros and macros....the end...0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
If the eating less you're doing becomes your routine, no, no you don't gain back. That's kind of how the whole thing works. cwolfman13 literally explained it above with his own numbers.
Its hard to maintain not impossible just hard..m its like eating less makes your stomach smaller then you just start eating less.... but the thing is.... is our goal to eat less or to eat healthier ..... eating less is not the solution for dieting im sorry but im against it i believe eating small portions many times a day will help you lose more calories than just once a day depending what you eat and its like anorexia how do people start.....eating less then not eating at all
You can be against it all you want but the fact remains that in order to lose weight a person needs to be in a calorie deficit, and that can be done eating several small meals, one big meal, it can be done by eating any type of food as well.
CICO is indisputable.
What you seem to be mixing up is calorie deficit, nutrition, satiety, adherence, and long term maintenance. You keep saying that if people don't change the way they eat then they will gain all the weight back. While it's true that some people struggle maintaining long term success rates with weight loss - the tools that people have at their reach today (calorie counting sites like this one, activity trackers like FitBit) I think will make those success rates go up. Combine that with the fact that the people who use sites like this while they are losing learn new habits, such as portion control and moderation, so that they are better able to successfully transition into maintenance.
The people who have responded here have collectively lost hundreds of pounds and kept them off for years using exactly the techniques you insist won't work.
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queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
If the eating less you're doing becomes your routine, no, no you don't gain back. That's kind of how the whole thing works. cwolfman13 literally explained it above with his own numbers.
Its hard to maintain not impossible just hard..m its like eating less makes your stomach smaller then you just start eating less.... but the thing is.... is our goal to eat less or to eat healthier ..... eating less is not the solution for dieting im sorry but im against it i believe eating small portions many times a day will help you lose more calories than just once a day depending what you eat and its like anorexia how do people start.....eating less then not eating at all
I don't really care what any believes, repeated experiments have shown many small meals make no real difference at losing or maintaining weight outside of individual preference, and then only because of adherence rates.
I know what your "sorry" intends, but regardless, I accept it as an apology for being wrong and insistent on it to any contrary evidence, with no willingness to understand the truth.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
When people eat more healthfully as you say and avoid fried stuff and whatnot...they're cutting out calories. I could have the same volume of food with one plate (A) being grilled chicken breast, steamed broccoli, and roasted potatoes vs (B) fried chicken, deep fried okra, french fries...the former is simply going to be far less calorie dense and will provide more nutrition...and personally, that's what I'd opt for...but the point people are making is that if you consume less energy (calories) than you expend, you will lose weight regardless of whether you chose option A or B
But if you chose A you can eat as many times a day you want fitted to your calory scedhual if i eat 3x a day in my option B i dont think you have a high chance of losing weight easy
You may not be able to eat as much on option B, but if the calories are the same, then it will not make a difference.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
If the eating less you're doing becomes your routine, no, no you don't gain back. That's kind of how the whole thing works. cwolfman13 literally explained it above with his own numbers.
Its hard to maintain not impossible just hard..m its like eating less makes your stomach smaller then you just start eating less.... but the thing is.... is our goal to eat less or to eat healthier ..... eating less is not the solution for dieting im sorry but im against it i believe eating small portions many times a day will help you lose more calories than just once a day depending what you eat and its like anorexia how do people start.....eating less then not eating at all
so if person A eats six small meals a day and is in a 500 calorie deficit, and person B eats one meal and is in a 500 calorie deficit; your argument is that person A will lose more than person B because six small meals a day?
Do you have any sources that show that eating six small meals a day defies the laws of math and physics?0 -
Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.0
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gataman3000 wrote: »Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
Not sure I've ever seen anyone say calories are all that matter for weight loss who denies that macros, followed by micros to a much smaller extent, affect composition, or that either one impacts composition enough much without physical activity. What usually happens is just getting through the first arguments about calories control weight is such an argument, it takes a long time before anyone can get to that discussion.
Also, outside of champion body builders coming off their doses almost nobody loses 20 to 30 pounds of pure lean tissue when losing weight.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back
And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!
When people eat more healthfully as you say and avoid fried stuff and whatnot...they're cutting out calories. I could have the same volume of food with one plate (A) being grilled chicken breast, steamed broccoli, and roasted potatoes vs (B) fried chicken, deep fried okra, french fries...the former is simply going to be far less calorie dense and will provide more nutrition...and personally, that's what I'd opt for...but the point people are making is that if you consume less energy (calories) than you expend, you will lose weight regardless of whether you chose option A or B
But if you chose A you can eat as many times a day you want fitted to your calory scedhual if i eat 3x a day in my option B i dont think you have a high chance of losing weight easy
There is a reason that a very valid method of weight loss is to just eat at what you maintenance level would be at goal weight. You never have to "go back" to anything; you form a habit and stick with it. Eat all the foods you want to be able to incorporate into your diet for the rest of your life by finding portions that work within your calorie goals but still leave enough room for you to feel satiated and get you nutrition.
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gataman3000 wrote: »Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
I would think encouraging people to exercise and include some form of resistance training would be far more effective at changing body composition than just what kind of foods are consumed.0 -
If you eat the same number of calories then what food is eaten is unlikely to make a difference in fat loss unless there is medical problem to factor in.
But the type of food eaten can certainly make a difference in how easy it is to control calorie intake.0 -
gataman3000 wrote: »Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
I would think encouraging people to exercise and include some form of resistance training would be far more effective at changing body composition than just what kind of foods are consumed.
Maybe for some people...but for me changing my eating habbits is more affective from my point of view of course everyone has a diff opinion im sick of excercizing and seeing no results or little... so i decided let me try a different routine and this has been working for me i only work out twice or 3 Times a week because i cant find the time but still this is working for me0 -
gataman3000 wrote: »Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
I would think encouraging people to exercise and include some form of resistance training would be far more effective at changing body composition than just what kind of foods are consumed.
Yes im more concern in losing fat and having abs in order to do this... how many times working out is required0
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