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  • Need2Exerc1seNeed2Exerc1se Posts: 13,589Member Member Posts: 13,589Member Member
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Disagree.

    And if "bad" food really lead to demise, then penitentiary inmates are immune to death from eating low quality food.

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    Please explain on low quality food wich is
    Low nutrition, fiber and fortified processed. Basically it's not great food.

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    So now we're admitting that processed food is low quality? Good to know. ;)

    Why is processed food inherently low quality? There are some really high quality cheeses that count as processed, although they likely should not form the core of a diet. There are highly nutritious foods like a purchased salad or cottage cheese/yogurt or smoked salmon, frozen fish in general, etc. I make very nutritious meals based around dried pasta or canned beans (I add vegetables and sometimes lean protein).

    Also, I will refer again to the frozen BB meals juggernaut (I think) mentioned, as well as the Kitchfix convenience meals -- not my thing in that I tend not to prefer premade meals, but there are some quite nutritious options based on what I'd consider high quality ingredients.

    (Should I bet on how likely it is that this gets ignored again?)

    Again, I don't think anyone is saying that eating a healthy diet is not important, but that you don't have to never eat a cookie to eat a healthy diet, and -- more specifically -- that "processed foods" aren't necessarily non-nutritious. Instead one should take a more intelligent approach and look at the specifics rather than the label.

    Of course you can eat what you like.... there are healthy home made cookies you can make with beanut butter but i belive you need to find the space to provide with both healthy and your fav recipes you can make your recipes look more healthy like not using cooking oil and just prepair your food on a grill im not gonna stop eating a hamburger just because im on a healthy diet or whatever i dont belive in strict diets i dont think anyone can manage if they do this they must struggle alot!!! So my model is eat what you like dont over do and eat it in a healthier way

    Why would not using cooking oil necessarily make something healthier?

    You can use olive oil or coconut oil vegetable oil has a substance called omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are harmful in excess.

    Those are all vegetable oils, but I assume you are talking about soybean oil which is commonly labeled 'vegetable oil'??

    All of those oils are harmful in excess. Every food is harmful in excess. But I assume you are talking about the fact that most Americans eat too much omega-6 and too little omega-3?? That doesn't make omega-6 bad (it's a necessary nutrient), it's makes an unbalanced diet bad.
  • HornsbyHornsby Posts: 10,372Member Member Posts: 10,372Member Member
    Hey look, another thread where if you eat a Twinkie, it means you eat nothing but twinkies.

    To the OP, yes, you can eat whatever you want and lose weight. That's a FACT and indisputable.

    In reality, calorie intake (regardless of where they come from) and training is 95% of the battle.

    #proofisinthepudding
    edited March 2016
  • Need2Exerc1seNeed2Exerc1se Posts: 13,589Member Member Posts: 13,589Member Member
    foxlme wrote: »
    I have found that wheat really affects my water weight. I'd be well within my calories but my weight would fluctuate as much as three pounds from one day to the next. Clearly I'm not eating an extra 10,000 calories or getting a 10,000 calorie workout in a few times a week! I dropped most wheat from my diet in December and I dropped 10 pounds in 2 months. I'm eating the same amount of calories I did before and exercising no more than I did before. I still eat wheat on occasion I'm just REALLY picky about it. Breakfast bagels at the office? Nah, but thanks. Warm in-house croissant during a brunch out with my hubby? Yes please!

    The gain would be water weight, not fat weight.
  • RGv2RGv2 Posts: 5,752Member Member Posts: 5,752Member Member
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Actually yes....everyone can.

    And yes....it's a poor diet.

    Your missing the forest for the trees. Nobody is advocating against a well balanced diet.

    You question: Does specific type of food help you lose weight?

    The answer: No, your calorie consumption controls your weight loss.

    Now, apparently we need a caveat; Calories control your weight loss, where the type of foods you use to fill your calorie allotment controls your nutrition and hunger.

    If your take away is that users are advocating the twinkie diet as a legit dieting strategy, I'm sorry.
    edited March 2016
  • auddiiauddii Posts: 15,410Member Member Posts: 15,410Member Member
    auddii wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    queenliz99 wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    I agree its not about losing weight more than maintaining a healthy diet of course

    What do you mean?

    Well most people who want to lose weight just stop eating or start eating less but the thing is once you start eating into your normal everyday routin you gain everything back

    And diatrofi what we call it in greek sorry but i dont know how to say it... but you eat more healthy... than before cut down on the fried stuff and still see results.. lose weight stay stable be more healthy but still eat!!!

    When people eat more healthfully as you say and avoid fried stuff and whatnot...they're cutting out calories. I could have the same volume of food with one plate (A) being grilled chicken breast, steamed broccoli, and roasted potatoes vs (B) fried chicken, deep fried okra, french fries...the former is simply going to be far less calorie dense and will provide more nutrition...and personally, that's what I'd opt for...but the point people are making is that if you consume less energy (calories) than you expend, you will lose weight regardless of whether you chose option A or B

    But if you chose A you can eat as many times a day you want fitted to your calory scedhual if i eat 3x a day in my option B i dont think you have a high chance of losing weight easy

    There is a reason that a very valid method of weight loss is to just eat at what you maintenance level would be at goal weight. You never have to "go back" to anything; you form a habit and stick with it. Eat all the foods you want to be able to incorporate into your diet for the rest of your life by finding portions that work within your calorie goals but still leave enough room for you to feel satiated and get you nutrition.

    Problem solved.

    This is my approach. After two months of it I am finding that eating that amount becomes more and more normal. I am guessing when I reach my goal weight I will have little issue continuing eating whatever I want. No, that doesn't mean all twinkies and McDonald's, but it does include the McDonald's, Ice Cream and other fun foods that keep me satisfied mentally.

    So you're eating at your maintenance goal weight calories? How much are you losing every week/month?

    It's not currently what I'm doing, but my projected weight loss would be 0.8lbs per week eating at goal maintenance levels (I have about 30lbs left to lose). The nice thing is that the weight loss naturally tapers off the closer to goal weight you get. The downside? It takes longer.
  • ClosetBayesianClosetBayesian Posts: 834Member Member Posts: 834Member Member

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.

    I even italicized it in my post....
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter

    In a follow-up interview conducted nine months later, the professor had gained back an earth-shattering two pounds. (He also increased his calories from 1600 per day to 2200 per day.)
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Posts: 20,809Member Member Posts: 20,809Member Member
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Disagree.

    And if "bad" food really lead to demise, then penitentiary inmates are immune to death from eating low quality food.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    Please explain on low quality food wich is
    Low nutrition, fiber and fortified processed. Basically it's not great food.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    So now we're admitting that processed food is low quality? Good to know. ;)

    Why is processed food inherently low quality? There are some really high quality cheeses that count as processed, although they likely should not form the core of a diet. There are highly nutritious foods like a purchased salad or cottage cheese/yogurt or smoked salmon, frozen fish in general, etc. I make very nutritious meals based around dried pasta or canned beans (I add vegetables and sometimes lean protein).

    Also, I will refer again to the frozen BB meals juggernaut (I think) mentioned, as well as the Kitchfix convenience meals -- not my thing in that I tend not to prefer premade meals, but there are some quite nutritious options based on what I'd consider high quality ingredients.

    (Should I bet on how likely it is that this gets ignored again?)

    Again, I don't think anyone is saying that eating a healthy diet is not important, but that you don't have to never eat a cookie to eat a healthy diet, and -- more specifically -- that "processed foods" aren't necessarily non-nutritious. Instead one should take a more intelligent approach and look at the specifics rather than the label.

    Of course you can eat what you like.... there are healthy home made cookies you can make with beanut butter but i belive you need to find the space to provide with both healthy and your fav recipes you can make your recipes look more healthy like not using cooking oil and just prepair your food on a grill im not gonna stop eating a hamburger just because im on a healthy diet or whatever i dont belive in strict diets i dont think anyone can manage if they do this they must struggle alot!!! So my model is eat what you like dont over do and eat it in a healthier way

    Why would not using cooking oil necessarily make something healthier?

    You can use olive oil or coconut oil vegetable oil has a substance called omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are harmful in excess.

    So instead of cutting it out, why not use it in moderation?
  • ndj1979ndj1979 Posts: 29,021Member Member Posts: 29,021Member Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    que the straw man about a diet of cookies, twinkies, and cake..

    no one is saying that..

    they are saying meet your calorie needs, hit macro requirements, get adequate nutrition, and THEN fill in your calories with what you want...

    edited March 2016
  • ndj1979ndj1979 Posts: 29,021Member Member Posts: 29,021Member Member
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter

    umm that is a real world study with before and after blood panels...

    if you eat a diet of twinkies in a 500 calorie deficit you will lose weight....it is not the best diet for health and nutrition and no one is saying it is...the argument is that you will lose weight because CICO, math, and physics...
  • stealthqstealthq Posts: 4,307Member Member Posts: 4,307Member Member
    dpwellman wrote: »
    A
    auddii wrote: »
    I would think encouraging people to exercise and include some form of resistance training would be far more effective at changing body composition than just what kind of foods are consumed.
    That is more universally applicable than one might think. Baylor study (wish I could find it. It was published in a bunch of Rodale Press publications, though) showed over the long term people were more likely to maintain weight loss and fitness by focusing on exercise rather than diet alone or exercise AND diet.

    Exercise PLUS diet will give the fastest results, but it appears exercise focus is more maintainable.

    I thought that study was strictly about keeping the weight off, not how they lost it in the first place but my memory is not the best.

    Many of the long term success stories here involve initially focusing on diet (and maybe exercise) to get the weight off, and then eventually shifting focus to fitness and thinking about diet as a way to further fitness goals rather than simply as a way to maintain.
  • senecarrsenecarr Posts: 5,377Member Member Posts: 5,377Member Member
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter
    Bolded advice is solid. For myself, and perhaps more so for some others, I extend it to don't believe everything you think either.
    In case you still haven't read the Twinkie diet article - all of the professor's blood work health markers improved on the diet. Same happened to the McDonald's diet science teacher who lost weight.
  • MadeOfMagicMadeOfMagic Posts: 561Member Member Posts: 561Member Member
    It's calories in and calories out that matters. However I do believe eating balanced food will help you lose weight easier. For example for lunch if I ate a sandwich from next door I would be starving an hour later vs. eating whatever meal I planned (same amount of calories) that has lots of protein and fiber I can go the rest of the day without eating or starving (in fact I have to force myself to eat some protein in the evening so my body doesn't reserve to my muscles). Eating quality foods can keep you fuller but also healthier, you can lose weight eating just candy all day as long as there calorie deficit, but over time you will suffer from nutrient deficiency which can affect your entire body. There was a point in my life when I wasn't eating well (even though getting well above 2300 cals per day) and my hand would twitch and my eye would too, when I looked it up it was likely from Vitamin B deficiency, I could have caused myself permanent nerve damage if I had not changed my diet, as soon as I changed my diet the twitching went away. So I do think eating healthy and "clean" is important for your overall health especially when you are in a calorie deficit. But can you lose weight without doing so? Of course...but at what cost to your body? It is also important to get all the vitamins from natural sources, when you are in a calorie deficit you are more susceptible to colds and diseases, so it's important to get proper nutrition to protect your immune system.
    edited March 2016
  • gataman3000gataman3000 Posts: 55Member Member Posts: 55Member Member
    senecarr wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter
    Bolded advice is solid. For myself, and perhaps more so for some others, I extend it to don't believe everything you think either.
    In case you still haven't read the Twinkie diet article - all of the professor's blood work health markers improved on the diet. Same happened to the McDonald's diet science teacher who lost weight.

    If 500 people at the Twinkie diet do you think 500 people will have improved blood work, fat loss along with weight loss?
  • gataman3000gataman3000 Posts: 55Member Member Posts: 55Member Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    que the straw man about a diet of cookies, twinkies, and cake..

    no one is saying that..

    they are saying meet your calorie needs, hit macro requirements, get adequate nutrition, and THEN fill in your calories with what you want...

    But that's how people responded to what I posted, hence this Twinkie diet being brought up.
  • ginamcyginamcy Posts: 74Member Member Posts: 74Member Member
    It's calories in and calories out that matters. However I do believe eating balanced food will help you lose weight easier. For example for lunch if I ate a sandwich from next door I would be starving an hour later vs. eating whatever meal I planned (same amount of calories) that has lots of protein and fiber I can go the rest of the day without eating or starving (in fact I have to force myself to eat some protein in the evening so my body doesn't reserve to my muscles). Eating quality foods can keep you fuller but also healthier, you can lose weight eating just candy all day as long as there calorie deficit, but over time you will suffer from nutrient deficiency which can affect your entire body. There was a point in my life when I wasn't eating well (even though getting well above 2300 cals per day) and my hand would twitch and my eye would too, when I looked it up it was likely from Vitamin B deficiency, I could have caused myself permanent nerve damage if I had not changed my diet, as soon as I changed my diet the twitching went away. So I do think eating healthy and "clean" is important for your overall health especially when you are in a calorie deficit. But can you lose weight without doing so? Of course...but at what cost to your body? It is also important to get all the vitamins from natural sources, when you are in a calorie deficit you are more susceptible to colds and diseases, so it's important to get proper nutrition to protect your immune system.

    Thank you for this!!! Its what i am trying to prove!!!
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Posts: 20,809Member Member Posts: 20,809Member Member
    senecarr wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter
    Bolded advice is solid. For myself, and perhaps more so for some others, I extend it to don't believe everything you think either.
    In case you still haven't read the Twinkie diet article - all of the professor's blood work health markers improved on the diet. Same happened to the McDonald's diet science teacher who lost weight.

    If 500 people at the Twinkie diet do you think 500 people will have improved blood work, fat loss along with weight loss?

    Blood work typically improves when people lose weight, so yeah. I would think many -- if not all -- of those people would have improved blood work as they lost weight.
  • gataman3000gataman3000 Posts: 55Member Member Posts: 55Member Member
    senecarr wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    ginamcy wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Weight no, fat yes, if you want to be skinny fat, follow calories in and calories out only, if you want to lose fat, potentially have abs and a small waist, then I would eat foods with quality nutrition. When you say weight only it generally starts a firestorm on these boards when in actuality you want to lose weight and fat. You don't want to lose 20 or 30 pounds and still have 40 or 50 percent body fat.
    Disagree. Lots of dudes in the pen are pretty lean and have abs. And it ain't from quality nutrition.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    9285851.png

    This must be some kind of joke, do you think people in prison have access to five guys burgers, milkshakes and family size packs of Oreo cookies...no. Some of the responses are just amazing but this one took the cake. Only point I'm trying to make is that when people say they want to lose weight, they want the majority of that weight to come from fat. Only here in this forum will someone champion losing weight with a terrible diet of cookies and cakes and say " hey as long as you stay in your calorie window its OK " . People should learn how to eat quality, nutritious foods if they want to lose fat and have a healthy body composition. I'm not here to say who's wrong or right but if you think your body fat percentage will drop while eating majority cookies and twinkies inside your calorie window, then you go right ahead. But if you want to lose weight along with drop your body fat percentage, then healthy nutritious foods would be the way to go.

    If they eat at a calorie deficit, they will lose weight. There's nothing magical about healthy, nutritious foods that will make people lose fat whereas eating cookies and Twinkies will make people lose muscle. A professor at Kansas State University actually did lose weight eating primarily Twinkies; not only did he lose fat, but his cholesterol levels improved: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/.

    No one is advocating a Twinkie-based diet; if I am wrong about this, please post a link to prove it. What people are saying is that it is possible to eat cookies and Twinkies now and again and still lose weight.

    But you don't address the body composition part of the bolded sentence.

    I don't think quality food is necessary for good body composition, but the Twinkie diet is a poor example if healthy body composition is part of the discussion as opposed to just weight loss.

    Not everyone can eat twinkies and lose weight just because your professor did this is poor diet

    Did you read the article? Actually yes, everyone can eat Twinkies and lose weight, if they are in a calorie deficit. That is the point of the scientific experiment that professor was conducting. It was not a recommendation that others engage in a Twinkie only diet.

    This is actually why I hate when people post that link because others don't understand the point and think that is something that people are recommending.


    Dont believe everything you read ...!!! And losing weight from only eating twinkies maybe you will acomplish this goal but what are the consequences after... again losing weight fast is not the solution or the healthy way in that matter
    Bolded advice is solid. For myself, and perhaps more so for some others, I extend it to don't believe everything you think either.
    In case you still haven't read the Twinkie diet article - all of the professor's blood work health markers improved on the diet. Same happened to the McDonald's diet science teacher who lost weight.

    If 500 people at the Twinkie diet do you think 500 people will have improved blood work, fat loss along with weight loss?

    Blood work typically improves when people lose weight, so yeah. I would think many -- if not all -- of those people would have improved blood work as they lost weight.

    Fat loss as well?
  • ClosetBayesianClosetBayesian Posts: 834Member Member Posts: 834Member Member
    It's calories in and calories out that matters. However I do believe eating balanced food will help you lose weight easier. For example for lunch if I ate a sandwich from next door I would be starving an hour later vs. eating whatever meal I planned (same amount of calories) that has lots of protein and fiber I can go the rest of the day without eating or starving (in fact I have to force myself to eat some protein in the evening so my body doesn't reserve to my muscles). Eating quality foods can keep you fuller but also healthier, you can lose weight eating just candy all day as long as there calorie deficit, but over time you will suffer from nutrient deficiency which can affect your entire body. There was a point in my life when I wasn't eating well (even though getting well above 2300 cals per day) and my hand would twitch and my eye would too, when I looked it up it was likely from Vitamin B deficiency, I could have caused myself permanent nerve damage if I had not changed my diet, as soon as I changed my diet the twitching went away. So I do think eating healthy and "clean" is important for your overall health especially when you are in a calorie deficit. But can you lose weight without doing so? Of course...but at what cost to your body? It is also important to get all the vitamins from natural sources, when you are in a calorie deficit you are more susceptible to colds and diseases, so it's important to get proper nutrition to protect your immune system.

    If you'll actually read the article about the professor who lost weight by eating primarily Twinkies, in addition to losing weight, his cholesterol also improved. Another gentleman did something similar, eating McDonald's. Same thing - lost weight, blood work improved.
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