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Fat Acceptance Movement
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Morbidly obese adults are one thing, but when their equally as obese children are trailing behind them, this is when i see red. Why would these parents want to inflict a lifetime of physical and emotional dis/stress on their own children...8
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n1terunner wrote: »I worry about people's health. Shaming is never the answer. We put zero body fat and thin physique on too much of a pedestal though, very few people have frames like that.
Who glamorizes being underweight and underfat? What does frame size have to do with anything?
Being a normal weight is healthy.
Being overweight isn't.
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Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect. Its knowing you mentality won't change when or if you lose weight.
My body is not here to please others, it has a job to do and does it amazingly well. Yes I am overweight, my cholesterol, my sugars and blood pressure are on the low side, all my bloods are amazing. So yes I am in physically great shape.
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^^^ I will never love my body when it's overweight, nor will i ever accept it, this seems like a slippery slope to me...8
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The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect. Its knowing you mentality won't change when or if you lose weight.
My body is not here to please others, it has a job to do and does it amazingly well. Yes I am overweight, my cholesterol, my sugars and blood pressure are on the low side, all my bloods are amazing. So yes I am in physically great shape.
Have you read any of the HAES stuff? They are not about health at all. They vilify anyone who loses weight even for very valid reasons. It's not about learning to love your body at any size as if you are not as big as them or lose weight you are shamed and mocked. Any group that sets out to shame others, especially their own members who lose weight for health reasons, is not a positive influence on anyone.13 -
The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
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Ah, I finally figured out my Googlefu. For anyone laboring under the illusion that there's any pretense of "health" in HAES, check this out:
https://www.sizediversityandhealth.org/content.asp?id=152The Health At Every Size® Approach
The Association for Size Diversity and Health (ASDAH) affirms a holistic definition of health, which cannot be characterized as simply the absence of physical or mental illness, limitation, or disease. Rather, health exists on a continuum that varies with time and circumstance for each individual. Health should be conceived as a resource or capacity available to all regardless of health condition or ability level, and not as an outcome or objective of living. Pursuing health is neither a moral imperative nor an individual obligation, and health status should never be used to judge, oppress, or determine the value of an individual.
The framing for a Health At Every Size (HAES®) approach comes out of discussions among healthcare workers, consumers, and activists who reject both the use of weight, size, or BMI as proxies for health, and the myth that weight is a choice. The HAES model is an approach to both policy and individual decision-making. It addresses broad forces that support health, such as safe and affordable access. It also helps people find sustainable practices that support individual and community well-being. The HAES approach honors the healing power of social connections, evolves in response to the experiences and needs of a diverse community, and grounds itself in a social justice framework.
The Health At Every Size® Principles are:
Weight Inclusivity: Accept and respect the inherent diversity of body shapes and sizes and reject the idealizing or pathologizing of specific weights.
Health Enhancement: Support health policies that improve and equalize access to information and services, and personal practices that improve human well-being, including attention to individual physical, economic, social, spiritual, emotional, and other needs.
Respectful Care: Acknowledge our biases, and work to end weight discrimination, weight stigma, and weight bias. Provide information and services from an understanding that socio-economic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, age, and other identities impact weight stigma, and support environments that address these inequities.
Eating for Well-being: Promote flexible, individualized eating based on hunger, satiety, nutritional needs, and pleasure, rather than any externally regulated eating plan focused on weight control.
Life-Enhancing Movement: Support physical activities that allow people of all sizes, abilities, and interests to engage in enjoyable movement, to the degree that they choose.Q: Why did ASDAH determine it was a good time to revise and update its HAES Principles?
Over the years since the principles were adopted in 2003, ASDAH has received a great deal of thoughtful input from members and other groups regarding such issues as healthism, ableism, cultural imperialism, and the health implications of socioeconomic status and weight stigma. It gradually became clear that ASDAH's original HAES principles, while sound in and of themselves, did not fully reflect the evolving political and sociocultural milieu or the growing consensus regarding the social determinants of health.
ASDAH's ten-year anniversary has been a natural time for reflection, strategic planning and contemplation about our role as a leading voice in the international HAES community. The HAES approach has gained traction and developed roots in the public discourse about weight, size, and health. In this revised set of principles, we seek to acknowledge social justice and access concerns while remaining true to the underlying lived wisdom of the HAES approach as it has been practiced for many years.0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.6 -
meh. i might be a minority in this environment - i'm just not that interested in obesity and physical health as an Issue. outside of mfp, i spend way more time thinking about how ry cooder is the only real blues guitarist who ever lived than i spend on any angle of the whole Fitness Debate.
but with that said, i guess see the whole thing kind of the same way i see most of the 'religion' debates i've had a look at. i'm not a practicing anything, but i'm far more interested in the believers i've known who were pillars of truth and integrity than i've ever been in the lunatic fringes of any faith. same kind of thing here.
i'm a 'slim' person (up until my 40's, anyway
) who had an 'obese' sister (up until this very day). she's been healthier than me, and had a healthier lifestyle, by any method of measurement, the whole time. she tells me now that the nhs is extremely pissed off with her for being fat, fifty and having arteries you could eat your lunch off. she says it really irritates them that they have no excuses to go ah ha!, stick her on statins and scold her two or three times a year about how she lives. i love her. i lift with a guy who probably weighs twice what he should - and it's not muscle that makes him that size, it is fat. he's healthy and strong.
so from direct personal experience, i think - actually, in a limited way, know - that assumptions about people based on their weight are full-on *kitten*. i don't much care for fanatics of any stripe, whether it's health fascists or the folks on the other extreme.7 -
The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.5 -
singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.
I am not apart of their group or any group. It is too tiring to keep trying to gain acceptance. I do not believe ANY body shaming is right, it goes against everything I believe in. Every body is a great body. Every body deserves acceptance. We do not knowvthe battles face so we have no right to judge.4 -
I am a member of a Facebook group that is a body acceptance, anti woo group called Eating the Food. There are actually people of every size and no one is shamed because of their weight. This is what HAES should be (as it does have every size in the name) but it has evolved into something completely different4
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singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.
What their belief boils down to is that fat shaming is wrong and reprehensible, but fit shaming is perfectly okay and acceptable.4 -
The_Original_Beauty wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.
I am not apart of their group or any group. It is too tiring to keep trying to gain acceptance. I do not believe ANY body shaming is right, it goes against everything I believe in. Every body is a great body. Every body deserves acceptance. We do not knowvthe battles face so we have no right to judge.
OK cool. Just thought you were when you said you liked HAES. I am guessing you like the original concept of it
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singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.
I am not apart of their group or any group. It is too tiring to keep trying to gain acceptance. I do not believe ANY body shaming is right, it goes against everything I believe in. Every body is a great body. Every body deserves acceptance. We do not knowvthe battles face so we have no right to judge.
OK cool. Just thought you were when you said you liked HAES. I am guessing you like the original concept of it
Yes, just the original concept of it. I like the idea of health at every size. Even if you are smaller or bigger.4 -
singingflutelady wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
I do love my body the way it is, no one has the right to tell me otherwise. Just because I love my body the way it is does not mean it is not an excuse to give up. Every day I try my best to eat healthy, I exercise. It means I have reached a different path in my life. It means i spent 15 years with restrictive bulimia and I want better. It means i want peace, i want to be at peace with my body. Why should I be always spending time to improve my body, where I could my time on more important things. I am more than my body.
I am healthy. I am happy. I do not need to keep improving my body. I doubt you will understand.
Well, you wouldn't be accepted by HAES if your healthy eating leads to any weight loss at all. Plus you say all this stuff but believe in the virtues of a group that actively shames lean people and views them only as their body. Lean people deserve peace too.
What their belief boils down to is that fat shaming is wrong and reprehensible, but fit shaming is perfectly okay and acceptable.
See that is just VERY wrong!0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »I am a member of a Facebook group that is a body acceptance, anti woo group called Eating the Food. There are actually people of every size and no one is shamed because of their weight. This is what HAES should be (as it does have every size in the name) but it has evolved into something completely different
Completely agree!!! It is so wrong and so sad. It is actually pathetic0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
As someone who has had an eating disorder and a lot of body issues, this is just so wrong to me. I would give anything to truly love my body the way it is and be happy with how I look. It would be so freeing to not having a voice nagging that what I see is bad, to accept being 25%BF instead of 20% and feel good about myself. Why would it be so wrong to be happy with my imperfect body? And why would being happy with my body keep me from improving it?
Sorry, this comment really depresses me
Loving my body would be such an accomplishment, I don't see how it's "giving up." 13 -
chocolate_owl wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
As someone who has had an eating disorder and a lot of body issues, this is just so wrong to me. I would give anything to truly love my body the way it is and be happy with how I look. It would be so freeing to not having a voice nagging that what I see is bad, to accept being 25%BF instead of 20% and feel good about myself. Why would it be so wrong to be happy with my imperfect body? And why would being happy with my body keep me from improving it?
Sorry, this comment really depresses me Loving my body would be such an accomplishment, I don't see how it's "giving up."
Love, love this post!!! I had restrictive bulimia for 15 years, I wish I count one two hands how many times I had a feeding tube, or being in hospital. Sometimes we need to stop trying to improve, stop trying to fit into todays standards and gain acceptance and learning that we are good enough the way we are now.3 -
The_Original_Beauty wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
As someone who has had an eating disorder and a lot of body issues, this is just so wrong to me. I would give anything to truly love my body the way it is and be happy with how I look. It would be so freeing to not having a voice nagging that what I see is bad, to accept being 25%BF instead of 20% and feel good about myself. Why would it be so wrong to be happy with my imperfect body? And why would being happy with my body keep me from improving it?
Sorry, this comment really depresses me Loving my body would be such an accomplishment, I don't see how it's "giving up."
Love, love this post!!! I had restrictive bulimia for 15 years, I wish I count one two hands how many times I had a feeding tube, or being in hospital. Sometimes we need to stop trying to improve, stop trying to fit into todays standards and gain acceptance and learning that we are good enough the way we are now.
*Hugs* Bulimia's a *kitten*. I hope you're getting to a better place
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chocolate_owl wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »chocolate_owl wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »The_Original_Beauty wrote: »Why do I like HAES? Because it's learning to love your body as it is. It is about making the healthier choices, that it is okay if your diet isn't 100% perfect.
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
As someone who has had an eating disorder and a lot of body issues, this is just so wrong to me. I would give anything to truly love my body the way it is and be happy with how I look. It would be so freeing to not having a voice nagging that what I see is bad, to accept being 25%BF instead of 20% and feel good about myself. Why would it be so wrong to be happy with my imperfect body? And why would being happy with my body keep me from improving it?
Sorry, this comment really depresses me Loving my body would be such an accomplishment, I don't see how it's "giving up."
Love, love this post!!! I had restrictive bulimia for 15 years, I wish I count one two hands how many times I had a feeding tube, or being in hospital. Sometimes we need to stop trying to improve, stop trying to fit into todays standards and gain acceptance and learning that we are good enough the way we are now.
*Hugs* Bulimia's a *kitten*. I hope you're getting to a better place I'm mostly recovered anorexic binge/purge subtype. Still have body dysmorphia and fall sometimes into restrict-binge but absolutely no purging and mostly don't act on my negative self talk. 2 -
I think accepting people no matter where they are is important. But I don't think it's okay to open the door to accepting unhealthy behaviors. Sure, a few pounds here or there isn't likely to cause adverse health effects, similarly a few drinks here and there aren't likely to cause adverse health effects. We should be supportive and be helping one another, no matter the challenges of their journey. No matter their hang ups.
We really need to be addressing for what it is, a disorder. Love the people, treat the disease.
No one is shaming large people. I think that's just political crap. It's okay to not take care of yourself physically, mentally or spirituality? Did the insurance companies come up with this?0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »
No one should be happy with how they look, even if they look great. No one should be happy with how "healthy" they are, even if they're super healthy.
We should all be working towards improvement in all things. Looking better, feeling better, treating others better, knowing more, being better educated, being better parents/spouses/children/citizens, being better at our jobs. Even if you're the best in the world at something, never accept that you're the best that you can be.
"I love my body the way it is" is an excuse to give up; "I love my body, and that's why I strive every day to improve it" is what we should all be thinking. And no one can "shame" you unless you already feel shame about something. So don't.
Excelsior!
you're going to be very upset if you live to 160, thanks to your super lifestyle - and then find out there's been an opinion shift and people consider you selfish and antisocial for not dying off sooner and leaving room and resources for younger people
i guess i don't see much value in inventing dissatisfaction with where you are now, just for the sake of being dissatisfied. contentment has an extremely real place. self-dissatisfaction isn't inherently 'better' on some moral plane imo.
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No Matter Your Size you WILL have negative/untrue judgments said about you. I noticed a lot more women were nicer to me when I was fat. I was thin shamed a lot growing up and it did cause me to develop a bad relationship with food that I have worked very hard on improving. Shaming anyone is not ok.
Personally I put obesity in on the same page as smoking. It is a lifestyle choice and no one should tell you how to live your life. However, be prepared for the consequences on your health later. You may have "great numbers" now, but let's see what they look like in your 50s.0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Ridiculous movement normalizing a preventable condition that has very real negative health impacts that affects our entire society. All done in the name of making sure we don't possibly hurt someone's feelings. PC nonsense.
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trigden1991 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Ridiculous movement normalizing a preventable condition that has very real negative health impacts that affects our entire society. All done in the name of making sure we don't possibly hurt someone's feelings. PC nonsense.
I'm glad someone said it.
I agree. It is perpetuating the idea that being overweight is "fine" and "normal" and that some people are just "naturally overweight and thats how they are".2 -
I'm not a fan of HAES and I think the idea that obesity is perfectly healthy and outside our control is nuts. But that said, I am curious about some things:But I don't think it's okay to open the door to accepting unhealthy behaviors.
What are you concerned about happening that would result in "accepting unhealthy behaviors" more than we as a society always have (in that I'm not going to comment on what someone else chooses to eat, none of my business). Maybe it's different subcultures, but it definitely doesn't seem to me that it's considered preferable to be overweight or desirable at all or that anyone is being told (outside of non mainstream groups) that obesity is healthy. Quite the opposite -- when I was a kid being fat was a bad thing because people thought it was a size of laziness and unattractive, but I don't think people were nearly as conscious of it as a health issue.
I'm pretty unconcerned about obesity being encouraged or even not discouraged socially or by health professionals, so when people claim to be worried about this, I wonder what they mean.Sure, a few pounds here or there isn't likely to cause adverse health effects, similarly a few drinks here and there aren't likely to cause adverse health effects. We should be supportive and be helping one another, no matter the challenges of their journey. No matter their hang ups.
What do you think we should be doing? It might be that we agree on that stuff (education or some such), but from what you say I can't tell if you think it would be useful to go up to random fat people in the grocery store or some such and tell them they eat too much, which -- as a formerly fat person -- I can't imagine being helpful at all.
Now if someone asks me about how I lost weight, sincerely, I'm always happy to be helpful and supportive, and as seeing others lose weight was inspiring to me I hope that my having done so and living an active life is maybe inspiring to some others.We really need to be addressing for what it is, a disorder. Love the people, treat the disease.
Again, what do you mean by this?No one is shaming large people. I think that's just political crap.
I've seen plenty of insults yelled at fat people and the like (was told I was fat and disgusting as a teen even though I objectively was not), and I see a lot of more subtle fat shaming (mocking people for being overweight, not directly to their face, discounting people for being fat).It's okay to not take care of yourself physically, mentally or spirituality? Did the insurance companies come up with this?
Why would the insurance companies come up with it? Their motive is to charge you more if you are more of a health risk (i.e., fat), which isn't exactly like saying it's cool. And now that they can't, really, their motive is to cut costs by pressuring people to lose weight. If insurance companies or the medical establishment could figure out good ways to combat obesity, they'd be all over it. (My insurance plan, like many, has a health and wellness program that focuses a lot on weight -- even though it didn't change what I paid, I liked being able to score well on it and make improvements.)
Also, I never know what people mean when they say something is "not okay." I spent months sleeping far less than is recommended, for example, which is a health risk. Let's agree that's not okay (although I kind of think it's my business). What does that imply to you? That if you know it (since it's less visible than my weight and I don't have to admit to it) that you can come up to me and lecture me? What? I honestly don't understand what you are really saying here.
I don't think it's responsible to not follow the news or not know who the members of the Supreme Court are, or the Cabinet, or how our governmental system works, or basic history. Yet, from what I see, lots and lots of people don't care about that at all. I guess I kind of think that's not okay, that they are choosing to be ignorant and not taking care of their mental development or being a responsible citizen (heck, I think not reading books falls into this category, and yet again many people are in it). Should I proclaim that we all must accept that this is NOT OKAY? And if so, what should I demand?4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ah, I finally figured out my Googlefu. For anyone laboring under the illusion that there's any pretense of "health" in HAES, check this out:
https://www.sizediversityandhealth.org/content.asp?id=152The Health At Every Size® Approach
The Association for Size Diversity and Health (ASDAH) affirms a holistic definition of health, which cannot be characterized as simply the absence of physical or mental illness, limitation, or disease. Rather, health exists on a continuum that varies with time and circumstance for each individual. Health should be conceived as a resource or capacity available to all regardless of health condition or ability level, and not as an outcome or objective of living. Pursuing health is neither a moral imperative nor an individual obligation, and health status should never be used to judge, oppress, or determine the value of an individual.
The framing for a Health At Every Size (HAES®) approach comes out of discussions among healthcare workers, consumers, and activists who reject both the use of weight, size, or BMI as proxies for health, and the myth that weight is a choice. The HAES model is an approach to both policy and individual decision-making. It addresses broad forces that support health, such as safe and affordable access. It also helps people find sustainable practices that support individual and community well-being. The HAES approach honors the healing power of social connections, evolves in response to the experiences and needs of a diverse community, and grounds itself in a social justice framework.
This is among the most vapid nonsense I've read in forever, and I have an MA in English lit.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ah, I finally figured out my Googlefu. For anyone laboring under the illusion that there's any pretense of "health" in HAES, check this out:
https://www.sizediversityandhealth.org/content.asp?id=152The Health At Every Size® Approach
The Association for Size Diversity and Health (ASDAH) affirms a holistic definition of health, which cannot be characterized as simply the absence of physical or mental illness, limitation, or disease. Rather, health exists on a continuum that varies with time and circumstance for each individual. Health should be conceived as a resource or capacity available to all regardless of health condition or ability level, and not as an outcome or objective of living. Pursuing health is neither a moral imperative nor an individual obligation, and health status should never be used to judge, oppress, or determine the value of an individual.
The framing for a Health At Every Size (HAES®) approach comes out of discussions among healthcare workers, consumers, and activists who reject both the use of weight, size, or BMI as proxies for health, and the myth that weight is a choice. The HAES model is an approach to both policy and individual decision-making. It addresses broad forces that support health, such as safe and affordable access. It also helps people find sustainable practices that support individual and community well-being. The HAES approach honors the healing power of social connections, evolves in response to the experiences and needs of a diverse community, and grounds itself in a social justice framework.
This is among the most vapid nonsense I've read in forever, and I have an MA in English lit.
I tried reading it; I sincerely did.
However, I could not make it through the first three paragraphs, as I was suddenly blinded by my hand, due to all of the facepalming. It's ridiculous in ways that shouldn't even be possible.0 -
i think there's a lot of visceral hate among anti-fat folks, to be honest. now that obesity has become an acceptable Thing to get all bent about, it's gained a set of terms and 'concerns' to dress itself in. but i still don't grok looking over the fence and giving a damn about somebody else and what they do, don't do, or are. so i think the hatred is there. and i think it's really the same thing that it always was.
the original fat acceptance movement was something i might have been around for, if what i saw in the later 90's was its inception. i liked it. it sought to get at the real, psychological sources of what 'fat' people deal with, and it sought to call the vilification for what it was in hopes that everybody would grow a little and some things would change. but isms usually evolve pretty fast to find ways around whatever is put up to block them ime. so since then the haters have gone sideways into this host of easily-accessed medical and social justifications. it seems like this particular group just wasn't mentally swift enough to resist the temptation to answer in kind. but so what? when the focus remains only on what the lunatic fringe are saying, then it's a closed loop, a static circle - just an endless cycle of hate revolving between two poles that are pretty much fixed.
it's still just two groups of toddlers calling each other poopyheads, to my mind.6
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