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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I don’t think it’s right to shame fat people, but I also don’t think it’s better than other vices, like smoking, or drinking. It does affect other people, and costs tax payers money. It’s annoying to me that it’s socially acceptable to be fat (and even to make your children fat!), but not to smoke or drink.
It's not socially acceptable to smoke and drink? What would the reaction be to a, say, 250 pound stripper performing on stage versus a 120 pound stripper smoking and drinking with the fellas at the strip club on her night off or on her break? Or outside in the parking lot if it was a smoke free club?
I’m sorry. I don’t think I get your point.
What would the societal reaction be to a morbidly obese stripper employee dancing onstage and a 120 pound stripper employee socializing with the clientele while enjoying cigarettes and alcohol?
Would they be received the same way? Would one employee be sneered at, heckled, not offered any cash and booed off the stage where the other employee would be ogled, complimented, never once have to reach into her purse to pay for her own drinks while her cigarettes were lit for her with chivalry?
Depends on what floats your boat.....not all men would object
True. If there's a club that specializes in featuring obese strippers or at least has a Chub Night with free buffet okay. I've never heard of such a thing but if you have - could you please let me know so I can apply for a part time gig on my nights off?
Point is, drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking is too, as long as it's done in open air setting so as not to give the non smokers lung disease. Or in private settings where the homeowner sets the rules and can do as he or she pleases.
Obese people disrobing for cash and prizes in order to facilitate sexual arousal and bring clientele into your run-of-the-mill strip club equals socially acceptable? Not so much.
Google strip clubs, fat strippers in your area. Unless you are way out in the boonies, bet you will find some.1 -
I have never been shamed into doing anything positive for myself. It only ever led to hiding (eating sneakily), and diminished social and physical activity. Shaming erodes people's self-esteem and is counter productive. People should be encouraged to love themselves at any weight. Surprisingly, accepting myself for what I am (right now, fat) leads me to treat myself better, which right now means trying to get healthier. Some people will never lose weight, but it's better (and probably healthier) to be a self-accepting obese person than one who is socially withdrawn and self-punishing.
Everyone is on his or her own path.5 -
Packerjohn wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I don’t think it’s right to shame fat people, but I also don’t think it’s better than other vices, like smoking, or drinking. It does affect other people, and costs tax payers money. It’s annoying to me that it’s socially acceptable to be fat (and even to make your children fat!), but not to smoke or drink.
It's not socially acceptable to smoke and drink? What would the reaction be to a, say, 250 pound stripper performing on stage versus a 120 pound stripper smoking and drinking with the fellas at the strip club on her night off or on her break? Or outside in the parking lot if it was a smoke free club?
I’m sorry. I don’t think I get your point.
What would the societal reaction be to a morbidly obese stripper employee dancing onstage and a 120 pound stripper employee socializing with the clientele while enjoying cigarettes and alcohol?
Would they be received the same way? Would one employee be sneered at, heckled, not offered any cash and booed off the stage where the other employee would be ogled, complimented, never once have to reach into her purse to pay for her own drinks while her cigarettes were lit for her with chivalry?
Depends on what floats your boat.....not all men would object
True. If there's a club that specializes in featuring obese strippers or at least has a Chub Night with free buffet okay. I've never heard of such a thing but if you have - could you please let me know so I can apply for a part time gig on my nights off?
Point is, drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking is too, as long as it's done in open air setting so as not to give the non smokers lung disease. Or in private settings where the homeowner sets the rules and can do as he or she pleases.
Obese people disrobing for cash and prizes in order to facilitate sexual arousal and bring clientele into your run-of-the-mill strip club equals socially acceptable? Not so much.
Google strip clubs, fat strippers in your area. Unless you are way out in the boonies, bet you will find some.
Okay, I just did. I'm major metropolitan North East U.S.A. and there are no such specialty clubs in my area or special nights set aside in main stream clubs for socially acceptable obese stripper celebration and appreciation.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Is this an untapped market do you think?
I am also from northeast and googled "fat strippers" and found a TON of clubs and ..... photos of them. Look up big booty strippers NY0 -
I've seen it from both sides. Both being a very fit and what most people consider attractive in my younger days and being overweight and obese for almost a decade now. People do treat and act differently around you based on how you look and I definitely have struggled with confidence issues at points. While I don't think I should be made fun of for letting my weight get out of control, it is a serious issue as I struggle with portions and snacking. It's good to feel like I won't get ridiculed for being obese but I do feel awful about what I've done to myself and the burden I can be on others.2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I don’t think it’s right to shame fat people, but I also don’t think it’s better than other vices, like smoking, or drinking. It does affect other people, and costs tax payers money. It’s annoying to me that it’s socially acceptable to be fat (and even to make your children fat!), but not to smoke or drink.
It's not socially acceptable to smoke and drink? What would the reaction be to a, say, 250 pound stripper performing on stage versus a 120 pound stripper smoking and drinking with the fellas at the strip club on her night off or on her break? Or outside in the parking lot if it was a smoke free club?
I’m sorry. I don’t think I get your point.
What would the societal reaction be to a morbidly obese stripper employee dancing onstage and a 120 pound stripper employee socializing with the clientele while enjoying cigarettes and alcohol?
Would they be received the same way? Would one employee be sneered at, heckled, not offered any cash and booed off the stage where the other employee would be ogled, complimented, never once have to reach into her purse to pay for her own drinks while her cigarettes were lit for her with chivalry?
Depends on what floats your boat.....not all men would object
True. If there's a club that specializes in featuring obese strippers or at least has a Chub Night with free buffet okay. I've never heard of such a thing but if you have - could you please let me know so I can apply for a part time gig on my nights off?
Point is, drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking is too, as long as it's done in open air setting so as not to give the non smokers lung disease. Or in private settings where the homeowner sets the rules and can do as he or she pleases.
Obese people disrobing for cash and prizes in order to facilitate sexual arousal and bring clientele into your run-of-the-mill strip club equals socially acceptable? Not so much.
Google strip clubs, fat strippers in your area. Unless you are way out in the boonies, bet you will find some.
Okay, I just did. I'm major metropolitan North East U.S.A. and there are no such specialty clubs in my area or special nights set aside in main stream clubs for socially acceptable obese stripper celebration and appreciation.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Is this an untapped market do you think?
I am also from northeast and googled "fat strippers" and found a TON of clubs and ..... photos of them. Look up big booty strippers NY
Okay, in my mind I'm seeing a bunch of booty implant professionals with hourglass figures and fake double dds. If you saw pics, were there any Roseanne Barr types or Mimi Bobeck lookalikes?
Yes. There were pictures of many VERY obese women. (A lot larger than Roseanne and Mimi) Some even as big as the folks you see on my 500lb life. Not surprised though lol. I actually remember a documentary I saw once about a couple where the man liked his wife to be morbidly obese and would encourage her to keep eating. They interviewed quite a few couples like them as well in that documentary. There is a fetish for everything.2 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I don’t think it’s right to shame fat people, but I also don’t think it’s better than other vices, like smoking, or drinking. It does affect other people, and costs tax payers money. It’s annoying to me that it’s socially acceptable to be fat (and even to make your children fat!), but not to smoke or drink.
It's not socially acceptable to smoke and drink? What would the reaction be to a, say, 250 pound stripper performing on stage versus a 120 pound stripper smoking and drinking with the fellas at the strip club on her night off or on her break? Or outside in the parking lot if it was a smoke free club?
I’m sorry. I don’t think I get your point.
What would the societal reaction be to a morbidly obese stripper employee dancing onstage and a 120 pound stripper employee socializing with the clientele while enjoying cigarettes and alcohol?
Would they be received the same way? Would one employee be sneered at, heckled, not offered any cash and booed off the stage where the other employee would be ogled, complimented, never once have to reach into her purse to pay for her own drinks while her cigarettes were lit for her with chivalry?
Depends on what floats your boat.....not all men would object
True. If there's a club that specializes in featuring obese strippers or at least has a Chub Night with free buffet okay. I've never heard of such a thing but if you have - could you please let me know so I can apply for a part time gig on my nights off?
Point is, drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking is too, as long as it's done in open air setting so as not to give the non smokers lung disease. Or in private settings where the homeowner sets the rules and can do as he or she pleases.
Obese people disrobing for cash and prizes in order to facilitate sexual arousal and bring clientele into your run-of-the-mill strip club equals socially acceptable? Not so much.
Google strip clubs, fat strippers in your area. Unless you are way out in the boonies, bet you will find some.
Okay, I just did. I'm major metropolitan North East U.S.A. and there are no such specialty clubs in my area or special nights set aside in main stream clubs for socially acceptable obese stripper celebration and appreciation.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Is this an untapped market do you think?
I am also from northeast and googled "fat strippers" and found a TON of clubs and ..... photos of them. Look up big booty strippers NY
Okay, in my mind I'm seeing a bunch of booty implant professionals with hourglass figures and fake double dds. If you saw pics, were there any Roseanne Barr types or Mimi Bobeck lookalikes?
Yes. There were pictures of many VERY obese women. (A lot larger than Roseanne and Mimi) Some even as big as the folks you see on my 500lb life. Not surprised though lol. I actually remember a documentary I saw once about a couple where the man liked his wife to be morbidly obese and would encourage her to keep eating. They interviewed quite a few couples like them as well in that documentary. There is a fetish for everything.
This. Someone who finds fat people attractive is typically perceived as having a fetish. It's not mainstream.4 -
Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I think there’s some confusion. By “socially acceptable,” I’m thinking in a moral/legal sense. I wasn’t referring to what’s sexually attractive to the opposite sex. It’s also generally considered to be more sexually attractive for strippers to be younger. There are some strippers in their 50s, but a lot less. Doesn’t mean isn’t not socially acceptable to be in your 50s.
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »Sunnybrooke99 wrote: »I don’t think it’s right to shame fat people, but I also don’t think it’s better than other vices, like smoking, or drinking. It does affect other people, and costs tax payers money. It’s annoying to me that it’s socially acceptable to be fat (and even to make your children fat!), but not to smoke or drink.
It's not socially acceptable to smoke and drink? What would the reaction be to a, say, 250 pound stripper performing on stage versus a 120 pound stripper smoking and drinking with the fellas at the strip club on her night off or on her break? Or outside in the parking lot if it was a smoke free club?
I’m sorry. I don’t think I get your point.
What would the societal reaction be to a morbidly obese stripper employee dancing onstage and a 120 pound stripper employee socializing with the clientele while enjoying cigarettes and alcohol?
Would they be received the same way? Would one employee be sneered at, heckled, not offered any cash and booed off the stage where the other employee would be ogled, complimented, never once have to reach into her purse to pay for her own drinks while her cigarettes were lit for her with chivalry?
Depends on what floats your boat.....not all men would object
True. If there's a club that specializes in featuring obese strippers or at least has a Chub Night with free buffet okay. I've never heard of such a thing but if you have - could you please let me know so I can apply for a part time gig on my nights off?
Point is, drinking is socially acceptable. Smoking is too, as long as it's done in open air setting so as not to give the non smokers lung disease. Or in private settings where the homeowner sets the rules and can do as he or she pleases.
Obese people disrobing for cash and prizes in order to facilitate sexual arousal and bring clientele into your run-of-the-mill strip club equals socially acceptable? Not so much.
I completely disagree. I don't see how smoking is considered socially acceptable. There has been more legislation and taxation surrounding smoking over the last 20 years than pretty much anything else. There has been a dramatic push to lower the rates of smoking, and it has actually worked. I don't agree at all with shaming someone for their weight, however I think it would be great if being a healthy weight was made a priority by everyone. That doesn't mean people should offer unsolicited advice, or shame anyone, but obesity should also not be accepted as the norm. If smoking had been accepted as the norm and "healthy" just as the HAES movement claims that every size is healthy, then I guarantee the rate of smokers would be much higher right now.3 -
Cynthia1066 wrote: »I have never been shamed into doing anything positive for myself. It only ever led to hiding (eating sneakily), and diminished social and physical activity. Shaming erodes people's self-esteem and is counter productive. People should be encouraged to love themselves at any weight. Surprisingly, accepting myself for what I am (right now, fat) leads me to treat myself better, which right now means trying to get healthier. Some people will never lose weight, but it's better (and probably healthier) to be a self-accepting obese person than one who is socially withdrawn and self-punishing.
Everyone is on his or her own path.
well said! This is definitely me, whether I have actually been "fat shamed" or have just have my self confidence eroded by perceived fat shaming from media and social media sources. .1 -
I think a line needs to be drawn between "fat acceptance" and "fat promotion." We should all be valued as human beings regardless of our weight. But telling people it's fine to remain overweight if it's negatively impacting their health or, worse yet, encouraging them to gain if they're not underweight is irresponsible. I'm thankful to all those who have spoken out on behalf of dignity or rights for the obese, but I caution everyone to not take it so far that we end up doing more harm than good.5
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LostLenore1970 wrote: »I think a line needs to be drawn between "fat acceptance"*1 and "fat promotion." We should all be valued as human beings regardless of our weight. But telling people it's fine to remain overweight if it's negatively impacting their health or,*2 worse yet, encouraging them to gain if they're not underweight is irresponsible. I'm thankful to all those who have spoken out on behalf of dignity or rights for the obese, but I caution everyone to not take it so far that we end up doing more harm than good.
You seem confused 1 and 2 are the same thing.3 -
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Kelly Clarkson just did an interview where she says she was miserable when she was thin and she wanted to die. But now that she is much bigger, she says she is very happy and free to be herself. I honestly don't know if I believe her. It is wonderful to have a healthy body image at any weight, but it's not healthy to be on a path for disease, illness and try to disguise it as "healthy body image" because you don't want to be forced to address it. I would imagine that because she is young and doesn't really have any health issues at the moment, she is ok with her weight. But if her metabolism is as damaged as she says it is, then it is just a matter of time before her weight issues start to get worse. I think the reason she may have been so unhappy when she was thin was because she didn't enjoy being forced to do the hard work that was required to remain that way. I truly do hope that she is happier now at her current weight.
Being fat or obese is not all about people judging your appearance. It's about the underlying health issues that may be making you fat. Things such as hormone imbalances, insulin resistance, damaged metabolism, diabetes, fatty liver...all of the things that could secretly be contributing to your inability to maintain a lighter weight should not be ignored simply because you want to "feel good about yourself". It is great if you are fat/obese and have NO MEDICAL conditions, but it's important to understand what is causing the fat in the first place. Sometimes the underlying issue is not just as simple as calories in/calories out-other things may need to be addressed. Is being fat/obese natural or have environmental issues created this epidemic? Seems like I am off topic.2 -
I think people should love them selves at any size and try to strive towards Health at any size. That being said, the message has been distorted to meaning “healthy” at any size which to me is quite absurd and isn’t accurate for the majority of the morbidly obese individuals who claim they are healthy and fine at the weight they’re at. I think no matter your size, strive for exercise, love yourself, look after your mental health, and eat right.3
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Kelly Clarkson just did an interview where she says she was miserable when she was thin and she wanted to die. But now that she is much bigger, she says she is very happy and free to be herself. I honestly don't know if I believe her. It is wonderful to have a healthy body image at any weight, but it's not healthy to be on a path for disease, illness and try to disguise it as "healthy body image" because you don't want to be forced to address it. I would imagine that because she is young and doesn't really have any health issues at the moment, she is ok with her weight. But if her metabolism is as damaged as she says it is, then it is just a matter of time before her weight issues start to get worse. I think the reason she may have been so unhappy when she was thin was because she didn't enjoy being forced to do the hard work that was required to remain that way. I truly do hope that she is happier now at her current weight.
Being fat or obese is not all about people judging your appearance. It's about the underlying health issues that may be making you fat. Things such as hormone imbalances, insulin resistance, damaged metabolism, diabetes, fatty liver...all of the things that could secretly be contributing to your inability to maintain a lighter weight should not be ignored simply because you want to "feel good about yourself". It is great if you are fat/obese and have NO MEDICAL conditions, but it's important to understand what is causing the fat in the first place. Sometimes the underlying issue is not just as simple as calories in/calories out-other things may need to be addressed. Is being fat/obese natural or have environmental issues created this epidemic? Seems like I am off topic.
Kelly Clarkson earned her living in a culture that prioritizes image. This would cause a massive amount of stress and general dysfunction to anyone. This is quite different in comparison to the average person making their living on something other than image.
All of these "underlying conditions" are also symptoms and directly related to being overweight. Your hormones will never maintain balance if you are overweight. Hormones are free cycling and simply being overweight is enough to cause an imbalance, which forces glands to overproduce and become stressed.
Damaged metabolism may be popular among the woo crowd, but the actual clinical diagnosis is rare (~1 in 20k).
The underlying issue is always as simple as CICO.
Spare the judgement - rely on facts and data.8 -
Kelly Clarkson just did an interview where she says she was miserable when she was thin and she wanted to die. But now that she is much bigger, she says she is very happy and free to be herself. I honestly don't know if I believe her. It is wonderful to have a healthy body image at any weight, but it's not healthy to be on a path for disease, illness and try to disguise it as "healthy body image" because you don't want to be forced to address it. I would imagine that because she is young and doesn't really have any health issues at the moment, she is ok with her weight. But if her metabolism is as damaged as she says it is, then it is just a matter of time before her weight issues start to get worse. I think the reason she may have been so unhappy when she was thin was because she didn't enjoy being forced to do the hard work that was required to remain that way. I truly do hope that she is happier now at her current weight.
Being fat or obese is not all about people judging your appearance. It's about the underlying health issues that may be making you fat. Things such as hormone imbalances, insulin resistance, damaged metabolism, diabetes, fatty liver...all of the things that could secretly be contributing to your inability to maintain a lighter weight should not be ignored simply because you want to "feel good about yourself". It is great if you are fat/obese and have NO MEDICAL conditions, but it's important to understand what is causing the fat in the first place. Sometimes the underlying issue is not just as simple as calories in/calories out-other things may need to be addressed. Is being fat/obese natural or have environmental issues created this epidemic? Seems like I am off topic.
Kelly Clarkson earned her living in a culture that prioritizes image. This would cause a massive amount of stress and general dysfunction to anyone. This is quite different in comparison to the average person making their living on something other than image.
All of these "underlying conditions" are also symptoms and directly related to being overweight. Your hormones will never maintain balance if you are overweight. Hormones are free cycling and simply being overweight is enough to cause an imbalance, which forces glands to overproduce and become stressed.
Damaged metabolism may be popular among the woo crowd, but the actual clinical diagnosis is rare (~1 in 20k).
The underlying issue is always as simple as CICO.
Spare the judgement - rely on facts and data.[/quhote]
If she wants to jugde, let her. She has the right to! It's a forum where people discuss facts data but also share their opinions and judgments.0 -
https://www.facebook.com/SlackerAndSteveFans/posts/10159474378270394
I just landed on that FB post. It says that a survey done showed 1 in 5 people who were obese thought they were only overweight and 1 in 10 thought they were normal weight.
What I really found striking though was the comments from people. Quite a few had the stance that some people are just thicker, society needs to leave people alike & not worry about their size, the BMI calculator has changed to make it appear more people are obese, etc.
One even said, “That is why so many people are "fat" in the USA. It isn't that we are bigger than 60 years ago, but they label it different now”
It reminded me of this post so I thought I’d share. There is a movement, for lack of a better word, that being obese is just a fact of life for so many and it should be accepted, companies should use heavier and heavier models and make larger clothes marked as a smaller size.2 -
https://www.facebook.com/SlackerAndSteveFans/posts/10159474378270394
I just landed on that FB post. It says that a survey done showed 1 in 5 people who were obese thought they were only overweight and 1 in 10 thought they were normal weight.
What I really found striking though was the comments from people. Quite a few had the stance that some people are just thicker, society needs to leave people alike & not worry about their size, the BMI calculator has changed to make it appear more people are obese, etc.
One even said, “That is why so many people are "fat" in the USA. It isn't that we are bigger than 60 years ago, but they label it different now”
It reminded me of this post so I thought I’d share. There is a movement, for lack of a better word, that being obese is just a fact of life for so many and it should be accepted, companies should use heavier and heavier models and make larger clothes marked as a smaller size.
This is absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe how warped societies perceptions have become. I’m also sick of people calling middle of healthy BMI people “stick skinny” when they are just healthy.9 -
I think part of it is that we've just become so accustomed to seeing obesity around us, and seeing obese people that don't appear to be struggling with health issues, that it normalizes it with us. Modern medicine and technology have made all but the most severe obesity manageable conditions, and not even inconvenient in day-to-day life.3
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https://www.facebook.com/SlackerAndSteveFans/posts/10159474378270394
I just landed on that FB post. It says that a survey done showed 1 in 5 people who were obese thought they were only overweight and 1 in 10 thought they were normal weight.
What I really found striking though was the comments from people. Quite a few had the stance that some people are just thicker, society needs to leave people alike & not worry about their size, the BMI calculator has changed to make it appear more people are obese, etc.
One even said, “That is why so many people are "fat" in the USA. It isn't that we are bigger than 60 years ago, but they label it different now”
It reminded me of this post so I thought I’d share. There is a movement, for lack of a better word, that being obese is just a fact of life for so many and it should be accepted, companies should use heavier and heavier models and make larger clothes marked as a smaller size.
It truly surprises me that it is so low. My personal, non-scientific observation where I live is that nearly everyone who is overweight or obese thinks they are a healthy weight.5
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