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If it's all CICO - why can't you outrun a bad diet?

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  • fernandogarciarn
    fernandogarciarn Posts: 1 Member
    The problem with exercising as the only method to lose weight is that eventually you will get injured or stop exercising to the intensity that kept you slim. Add the slowing metabolism and muscle loss and you will balloon up like a pig. Have you seen some of the pro athletes after they retire? I used to exercise six hours a day as a Triathlete and looked thin until I had to stop due to an injury. I gained 40 lbs in 4 months because I didn't realize that I consumed so much "healthy food" to feed an army. There is nothing more humiliating than going from Ironman shape to couch potato in 4 months! Like many people, I fooled myself in believing that I could eat all the "healthy food" to my heart's content and since I was still exercising a little that I could handle it. As my metabolism slowed down the fat gain revved up. The worst part was that I still thought of myself as a lean athlete until I caught a glimpse of myself in a photo. Ouch, reality sucks!
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    parfia wrote: »
    This is purely for debate purposes - if weight loss is purely calories in and calories out, why can't you 'outrun a bad diet' - surely if you run enough to burn off the calories of a bad dietary intake, you can for all intents and purposes outrun a bad diet?

    You can. There is a limit to how many calories can be ingested before your gastro-intenstinal system starts sliding into "bypass" mode. It is possible to burn more than that amount, but you'll need to be somewhere around a marathon and a half...a day...every day...
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
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    You could outrun it, but it may not be healthy to do so. Eating 1500 calories of crap and burning 2000 calories will still cause weight loss, but you will likely be unhealthy because of the lack of vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients necessary.

    Is crap in the MFP database? What is the nutritional profile of crap? Also, it seems unhealthy to eat crap. You should probably seek professional help for the compulsion that is leading you to eat crap instead of food. That sounds like a serious and potentially dangerous problem.

    Ha Ha. I meant that 1500 calories of junk/processed/fast food vs. 1500 calories of vegetables, fruits, lean proteins, etc., doesn't matter for weight loss. But it does matter for overall health. You're obviously not going to get the nutritional benefit from the first group that you would for the second.

    I'm what ways is a reasonable diet of "junk" deficient where a "lean proteins*" diet is not? How extreme will your example have to be to make this point?


    *what's with the continued hate for animal fat? It's remarkably nutritious.

    Are you suggesting that a bag of Cheetos has the same nutritional value as baked chicken and vegetables? That's what I'm referring to. Calories matter for weight loss, but if you're going to get into actual health, that's a different story. You can hit your macros, too, by eating junk, but you're going to miss out on vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients your body needs. I'm not saying you can't have treats and junk once in awhile, but living off of it isn't healthy no matter what your weight is.

    Ahhh the Cheetoh strawman. One of my favorites. Are there actually people who consider what to have for dinner, and say, "well I could have baked chicken and vegetables, but instead I think I'll have a bag of Cheetohs instead, it is still under my calorie alotment for the day, so *kitten* it, I'm going to just turn my fingers orange!"

    You burn plenty of calories scrubbing the cheese dust off.

    And what jof is referring to, I believe, is eating Cheetos is as nutritionally deficient as eating chicken and broccoli IF BOTH ARE ALL YOU ARE EATING. You're missing out on plenty of minerals and vitamins with both examples. Why don't people who argue this kitten understand that?

    (I see I should have kept reading before posting because we've jumped ahead a few steps on my progression of dietary sufficiency enlightenment flowchart. I'll stop posting and catch up now.)

    ETA: Okay, caught up...but I see the dialogue has stopped. So maybe someone else could craft this sample "junk" diet so I can better understand in which nutrients it is deficient....

    ...and then we can offer some simple solutions to tweaking that "junk" diet to cover those deficiencies to demonstrate that it isn't the "junk" that's the problem...but the quantity (in calories).

    An all broccoli diet would be pretty junky.

    (waits for the anti junkers to crawl out of the woodworks...)

    But broccoli has so much protein! :wink:

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  • moe0303
    moe0303 Posts: 934 Member
    Is an ounce of prevention really worth a pound of cure?
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    Humans are actually very efficient runners. We must stop running to sleep and to actually have a bad diet. In the waking non-eating hours we cannot efficiently run enough to burn all the calories we consume in a "bad diet"
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    JeromeBarry1 wrote: »
    Humans are actually very efficient runners. We must stop running to sleep and to actually have a bad diet. In the waking non-eating hours we cannot efficiently run enough to burn all the calories we consume in a "bad diet"

    I sleep for eight hours a night...if I spend an hour on each of three meals I spend 3 hours eating...that leaves 13 hours.
    I could totally burn off an otherwise bad diet in 13 hours.

    Now if only I could run for 13 hours...
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    Just been pre-logging my food for tomorrow as I will be up early and off the net all day.
    Adding up my sports energy drinks, peanut & chocolate bars, banana malt loaf, carb gels and a carb heavy breakfast I'm up to 2554 cals and 483g of carbs. Assume this would be a lot of people's idea of "a bad diet"?

    By the time I've eaten lunch, dinner and snacks guess I will be over 4000 cals for the day?

    But I will still in a sunstantial calorie deficit after 100 miles cycling.

    It's about calorie balance and not CI or CO in isolation.
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    Just been pre-logging my food for tomorrow as I will be up early and off the net all day.
    Adding up my sports energy drinks, peanut & chocolate bars, banana malt loaf, carb gels and a carb heavy breakfast I'm up to 2554 cals and 483g of carbs. Assume this would be a lot of people's idea of "a bad diet"?

    By the time I've eaten lunch, dinner and snacks guess I will be over 4000 cals for the day?

    But I will still in a sunstantial calorie deficit after 100 miles cycling.

    It's about calorie balance and not CI or CO in isolation.

    Holy kitten, that is a whole bunch of "bad" food! Is the banana malt loaf banana bread?

    Yep, it's about fueling your workouts and not the other way around.
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »

    Now if only I could run for 13 hours...

    Precisely.
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