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If it's all CICO - why can't you outrun a bad diet?
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Because most people don't have 4-6 hours a day to devote to running and our bodies aren't meant to handle that much punishment. Toenail clipper manufacturers would go out of business and nail polish companies would see a 50% decrease in sales almost overnight. Don't even start me on the chafing... Also even if everyone did have the time, maaaybe 0.005% of the population would have the willpower to even attempt 30+ miles daily.This is purely for debate purposes - if weight loss is purely calories in and calories out, why can't you 'outrun a bad diet' - surely if you run enough to burn off the calories of a bad dietary intake, you can for all intents and purposes outrun a bad diet?
If a person is in a caloric deficit surely they will lose irrespective of what their food intake is.
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30 miles daily? So I can eat a total of 4500 to 5000+ calories per day? Really???
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I will absulutely run to this!
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/blueberry-goat-cheese-pie-recipe.html or this
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Carlos_421 wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
How would it be 500 calories too little if you were maintaining? If we are talking about "outrunning a bad diet", wouldn't you have to start with a bad diet? I would say a diet at maintenance is at least neutral, if not desired.
ETA: To be clear, I am of the camp that understands the saying to be an expression of an idea vs an actual factual statement.
Because maintenance minus 500 calories = 1 pound lost per week. Thus, if the goal is maintenance, the goal is not met because weight is lost and not maintained.
The diet is the starting point.
My answer is that it would not be outrunning a bad diet because the diet wasn't bad to begin with.if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
If her question was:
my answer would be "Yes, probably".if you eat at 1000 calories above maintenance everyday, but burn off 1500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
ETA: There's some ambiguity as to what constitutes a bad diet, hence the "probably".
My question was centred around calories, not nutrients.
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Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual
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Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
it was pretty clear what you meant, but this is MFP, you should know it
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
it was pretty clear what you meant, but this is MFP, you should know it
Haha ok. I know exactly what I'm talking about, but never know if everyone else does
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
it was pretty clear what you meant, but this is MFP, you should know it
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Because most people don't have 4-6 hours a day to devote to running and our bodies aren't meant to handle that much punishment. Toenail clipper manufacturers would go out of business and nail polish companies would see a 50% decrease in sales almost overnight. Don't even start me on the chafing... Also even if everyone did have the time, maaaybe 0.005% of the population would have the willpower to even attempt 30+ miles daily.This is purely for debate purposes - if weight loss is purely calories in and calories out, why can't you 'outrun a bad diet' - surely if you run enough to burn off the calories of a bad dietary intake, you can for all intents and purposes outrun a bad diet?
If a person is in a caloric deficit surely they will lose irrespective of what their food intake is.
begin.....
30 miles daily? So I can eat a total of 4500 to 5000+ calories per day? Really???
Jason Romero currently logs about 45 miles a day average.
Oh, yeah, he does that while being legally blind.
http://www.denverpost.com/running/ci_29662436/blind-faith
His strava:
https://www.strava.com/athletes/13823509
His website:
http://www.visionrunusa.com
He's clearly burning a lot of calories. A LOT. (eating about 200 Cals per hr while running plus meals)0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.1 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
^This.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
Ok, we'll go back there then:jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
If it is 500 too little then, it is no longer at maintenance.
My answer was not saying it is "only okay at maintenance", it was saying:
To Christine:
You're saying that you are eating at maintenance which wouldn't be considered a bad diet.
the term "at maintenance" is not a goal.
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Christine_72 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
How would it be 500 calories too little if you were maintaining? If we are talking about "outrunning a bad diet", wouldn't you have to start with a bad diet? I would say a diet at maintenance is at least neutral, if not desired.
ETA: To be clear, I am of the camp that understands the saying to be an expression of an idea vs an actual factual statement.
Because maintenance minus 500 calories = 1 pound lost per week. Thus, if the goal is maintenance, the goal is not met because weight is lost and not maintained.
The diet is the starting point.
My answer is that it would not be outrunning a bad diet because the diet wasn't bad to begin with.if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
If her question was:
my answer would be "Yes, probably".if you eat at 1000 calories above maintenance everyday, but burn off 1500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
ETA: There's some ambiguity as to what constitutes a bad diet, hence the "probably".
My question was centred around calories, not nutrients.
My reply was centered around calories, not nutrients.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
Ok, we'll go back there then:jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
Also, the question was "Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?". Why would you assume my answer was addressing whether or not it is ok?0 -
*drops wine glass and finds another cocktail party*4
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
Ok, we'll go back there then:jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
Also, the question was "Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?". Why would you assume my answer was addressing whether or not it is ok?
Because what she meant was "I eat at maintenance level not including exercise, then I exercise enough to burn 500 calories each day. Does that count as outrunning a bad diet?"
She is actually eating at a deficit, but from her perspective, the deficit comes from increasing activity, not from eating less food.
The answer is yes, that is how you outrun a "bad" diet. But the diet isn't bad, so there's that.0 -
that's my point. If the diet isn't bad, she's not outrunning a bad diet.jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
Ok, we'll go back there then:jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
Also, the question was "Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?". Why would you assume my answer was addressing whether or not it is ok?
Because what she meant was "I eat at maintenance level not including exercise, then I exercise enough to burn 500 calories each day. Does that count as outrunning a bad diet?"
She is actually eating at a deficit, but from her perspective, the deficit comes from increasing activity, not from eating less food.
The answer is yes, that is how you outrun a "bad" diet. But the diet isn't bad, so there's that.
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I'm getting dizzy this thread has gone in so many circles...0
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^Seriously. I didn't even bother trying to keep up with the 500 calorie and maintenance thing.0
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WinoGelato wrote: »I'm getting dizzy this thread has gone in so many circles...
Me too.0 -
Can we talk about cheeseburgers again?2
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Speaking of burgers, I'll be having a salmon burger for dinner made from canned salmon and homemade bread. Quite tasty, I must say, although I don't put cheese on it.2
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Speaking of burgers, I'll be having a salmon burger for dinner made from canned salmon and homemade bread. Quite tasty, I must say, although I don't put cheese on it.
Did somebody say burger?
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that's my point. If the diet isn't bad, she's not outrunning a bad diet.jofjltncb6 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Oh boy I just read page 8... I don't want to maintain my weight, I still want to lose roughly 1lb a week. So I chose my maintenance calories (at sedentary), and will endevour to burn 500 calories per day through exercise to achieve that weight loss.
Yeah I did word it incorrectly (as usual )
Your comment actually made sense.
It was a subsequent reply to it that didn't that caused the problem.
Ok, we'll go back there then:jofjltncb6 wrote: »
It wouldn't be a bad diet if you were at maintenance.Christine_72 wrote: »Ok what if you eat at maintenance everyday, but burn off 500 calories through exercise to lose 1lb a week. Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?
Huh?
How is it only okay at maintenance?
It would actually be a terrible diet at maintenance....because it would be 500 daily calories too little.
Also, the question was "Would this be classed as outrunning a "bad" diet?". Why would you assume my answer was addressing whether or not it is ok?
Because what she meant was "I eat at maintenance level not including exercise, then I exercise enough to burn 500 calories each day. Does that count as outrunning a bad diet?"
She is actually eating at a deficit, but from her perspective, the deficit comes from increasing activity, not from eating less food.
The answer is yes, that is how you outrun a "bad" diet. But the diet isn't bad, so there's that.
I get it! Someone who is eating over maintenance (therefore would most likely gain weight) and then exercising to put them at maintenance would be "outrunning a bad diet".
In this case the "bad diet" would be eating more calories than they should be.
Someone who is eating at maintenance, which was the example given, would not be a "bad diet" because they are actually eating at maintenance BEFORE the exercise which means the added exercise actually puts them at deficit.
Either way w/ or without exercise they weren't eating more than they should, therefore no "bad diet".
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Speaking of burgers, I'll be having a salmon burger for dinner made from canned salmon and homemade bread. Quite tasty, I must say, although I don't put cheese on it.
I love salmon burgers... well I just love salmon in general, LOL!
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My favorite fish-based burger (or sandwich, if one is a purist) is tuna steak with a spicy jardiniere on a whole-wheat bun. A lunch place near my (former) office used to make them, and I started doing them at home. So good.1
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lemurcat12 wrote: »My favorite fish-based burger (or sandwich, if one is a purist) is tuna steak with a spicy jardiniere on a whole-wheat bun. A lunch place near my (former) office used to make them, and I started doing them at home. So good.
IDK what "jardinière" is but I love spicy and tuna so I'm sure it's delish!0 -
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DoreenaV1975 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »My favorite fish-based burger (or sandwich, if one is a purist) is tuna steak with a spicy jardiniere on a whole-wheat bun. A lunch place near my (former) office used to make them, and I started doing them at home. So good.
IDK what "jardinière" is but I love spicy and tuna so I'm sure it's delish!
I can't remember what language I should be using or simply can't spell. I meant giardiniera.
http://chicago.seriouseats.com/2013/11/taste-test-the-best-giardiniera.html0
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