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20yearsyounger wrote: »mochachichi wrote: »Carbohydrates are a easy to break down source of fuel. Unburnt excessive Carbs are broke down to glucose and stored as fat, in the liver and muscles. Which can be burned at a later time. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I don't have a problem with Pizza, Beagles, Doughnuts or any other pastry based item. But I don't see the purpose of carb loading post workouts.
Hey CincyNeid...It's not really "carb loading" (as you would call what a marathon runner might do to prepare for a race) After a workout or a game think of it more as carb replenishing. Your muscles have burned off their stores of glycogen post workout. What your body really needs is to replenish those stores...which is why I always advise my clients and athletes to get something into their body post activity. Now, if your activity is just taking a walk around the block then no...skip the snack, but post workout....oh man, that's where the magic happens.
Meal timing is pretty much irrelevant except for advanced trainees i.e athletes and bodybuilders
Meal timing from a calorie deficit point of view sure. But timing is important for even intermediate trainees. For me, I don't need to carb load but I definitely need a combination of protein+carbs right after a heavy workout - carbs for replenishment, protein for recovery.
actually you don't...2 -
tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
Do a heavy set of dumbbell bench and see if you don't want to drop the weights when you are done. There in lies the problem, people assume it's just someone showing off. People drop weights all the time where I go, and no one seems to be distracted, and no one complains. I believe it has nothing to do with "lunks", and more to do with peoples insecurities. Honestly, I don't care what gym people care to join, I just get sick of all the PC crap.
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tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
Do a heavy set of dumbbell bench and see if you don't want to drop the weights when you are done. There in lies the problem, people assume it's just someone showing off. People drop weights all the time where I go, and no one seems to be distracted, and no one complains. I believe it has nothing to do with "lunks", and more to do with peoples insecurities. Honestly, I don't care what gym people care to join, I just get sick of all the PC crap.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
What's a workout machine for squats?
i am guessing that person is referring to a smith ...??????????
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Someone dropping a heavy weight (most of the time it is not to show off) is a lot less distracting than a loud siren or someone screaming because they injured themselves from not dropping the weight.3
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tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
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Honestly, I don't care what gym people care to join, I just get sick of all the PC crap.
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Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
thats great ...sometimes you just have to drop them ..
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Packerjohn wrote: »
Ditto. If you can't control the weight through the entire exercise, you're lifting above your ability.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
I have seen people almost fall off a bench trying to do that. Or not quite make it, and fall back. It's easier to just drop them.0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Ditto. If you can't control the weight through the entire exercise, you're lifting above your ability.
If the formulas are correct....
Lower weight + higher reps = Long Lean Muscles
Higher Weight + lower reps = Bulk/Mass
How do you explain that one?
Not judging; just questioning.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
I have seen people almost fall off a bench trying to do that. Or not quite make it, and fall back. It's easier to just drop them.
Maybe they just need to use a weight they can control.
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20yearsyounger wrote: »mochachichi wrote: »Carbohydrates are a easy to break down source of fuel. Unburnt excessive Carbs are broke down to glucose and stored as fat, in the liver and muscles. Which can be burned at a later time. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I don't have a problem with Pizza, Beagles, Doughnuts or any other pastry based item. But I don't see the purpose of carb loading post workouts.
Hey CincyNeid...It's not really "carb loading" (as you would call what a marathon runner might do to prepare for a race) After a workout or a game think of it more as carb replenishing. Your muscles have burned off their stores of glycogen post workout. What your body really needs is to replenish those stores...which is why I always advise my clients and athletes to get something into their body post activity. Now, if your activity is just taking a walk around the block then no...skip the snack, but post workout....oh man, that's where the magic happens.
Meal timing is pretty much irrelevant except for advanced trainees i.e athletes and bodybuilders
Meal timing from a calorie deficit point of view sure. But timing is important for even intermediate trainees. For me, I don't need to carb load but I definitely need a combination of protein+carbs right after a heavy workout - carbs for replenishment, protein for recovery.
actually you don't...
Not sure exactly what your argument is. Personally I fit in the categories from the follow on posting showing when it would be needed and I definitely am not in the advanced trainee category. If someone fits in those categories, why wouldn't they need it? Other exercise nutritional research points to the same thing. https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5800/3-r-s-of-workout-recovery-nutrition0 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »Ditto. If you can't control the weight through the entire exercise, you're lifting above your ability.
If the formulas are correct....
Lower weight + higher reps = Long Lean Muscles
Higher Weight + lower reps = Bulk/Mass
How do you explain that one?
Not judging; just questioning.
No more like lower weight= endurance
Higher weight= muscles
All muscle is lean and you can't lengthen your muscles without surgery2 -
do what you gotta' do man, if PF is what you got to work with, then workout. Beware of ice cream night and pizza night. I'm thinking they do that to keep customers coming back and maintain some a high customer base. Just remember don't draw too much attention to yourself or they will press the alarm! People are serious about the alarm.....I was almost a trainer there. That turned me off GREATLY!0
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tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
Contrary to popular opinion, grunting and dropping weights isn't typically done for attention.
There are movements which are designed in such a way that dropping the weight is the only safe way to finish the exercise (like the snatch or clean and jerk) and times when working out with high intensity makes it involuntary (like when I try to squeeze out one more rep while deadlifting but don't quite make it).
There are also times when the intensity of the workout causes grunting to become involuntary.
Last week, on back day, I was doing T-bar rows (3 sets of 10 reps) and on my last set I was (barely) able to finish out my last few reps but the effort resulted in some loud yet involuntary grunting. I certainly didn't do it for attention (in fact, I was embarrassed when a guy across the room stopped to look at me) but it was worth it to get the last few reps in rather than just quit because of not wanting to grunt.
ETA: while it's possible to bench or squat in the smith machine, it is far from optimal. Actual squat racks, bench press racks and Olympic barbells (the size needed for back squats) are banned as a matter of corporate policy so no, they really don't have the proper equipment.3 -
singingflutelady wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »Ditto. If you can't control the weight through the entire exercise, you're lifting above your ability.
If the formulas are correct....
Lower weight + higher reps = Long Lean Muscles
Higher Weight + lower reps = Bulk/Mass
How do you explain that one?
Not judging; just questioning.
No more like lower weight= endurance
Higher weight= muscles
All muscle is lean and you can't lengthen your muscles without surgery
Even at that... how would one build muscle w/o lifting above your "limits" ....2 -
singingflutelady wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »Ditto. If you can't control the weight through the entire exercise, you're lifting above your ability.
If the formulas are correct....
Lower weight + higher reps = Long Lean Muscles
Higher Weight + lower reps = Bulk/Mass
How do you explain that one?
Not judging; just questioning.
No more like lower weight= endurance
Higher weight= muscles
All muscle is lean and you can't lengthen your muscles without surgery
Even at that... how would one build muscle w/o lifting above your "limits" ....
Exactly. And how do you know your limits if you don't ever go for your 1rm or push hard5 -
tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
Their dumbbells only go up to 80 lbs so problem solved.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Exactly. And how do you know your limits if you don't ever go for your 1rm or push hard
4 years ago this September I broke my my left Arm. I've got a 8 inch titanium rod and 8 titanium screws in. That was before I started losing weight and lifting. I learned real quick how where my limits were. And I learned where they were so I could blow right through them.
Last time I went to the gym I was butterflying 175 pounds. And benching about 150 pounds. Now given directly after I got my cast taken off i could barely open a packet of sugar or ketchup ....
limits are there to be broken, not stopped at.5 -
Exactly. I'm a heavy lifter so I get that. I'm also chronically ill but ding better in the gym than I should2
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
I have seen people almost fall off a bench trying to do that. Or not quite make it, and fall back. It's easier to just drop them.
Maybe they just need to use a weight they can control.
Controlling the weight throughout the actual exercise =\= controlling the weight throughout the exercise and your custom method of putting the weight back down.
ETA as long as you put the weight down safely without breaking anything, who really cares?0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
I have seen people almost fall off a bench trying to do that. Or not quite make it, and fall back. It's easier to just drop them.
Maybe they just need to use a weight they can control.
Have you ever seen someone do heavy dumbbell shoulder press? They'll use there legs to help get the weight up, but can control it once it's up to shoulder height.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
I put my dumbbells down like this guy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDxtAOAIrQ
I have seen people almost fall off a bench trying to do that. Or not quite make it, and fall back. It's easier to just drop them.
Maybe they just need to use a weight they can control.
Controlling the weight throughout the actual exercise =\= controlling the weight throughout the exercise and your custom method of putting the weight back down.
ETA as long as you put the weight down safely without breaking anything, who really cares?
I would agree. Depending on the construction of the dumbbells, like cast iron, they can be cracked/broke by dropping.
I would also think from my personal experience, putting the weights down as in the video is potentially easier on the shoulders.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor, granted, it may seem like judging, but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out. I find it very annoying and distracting.
I also bench and do squats so they have the proper work out machines. I love the stair climber. I also love the price, can't beat it.
so when you are using 100# dumbbell for chest press how do you suggest getting them to the floor?
or how do you quietly put down a one rep max DL?
Their dumbbells only go up to 80 lbs so problem solved.
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20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »mochachichi wrote: »Carbohydrates are a easy to break down source of fuel. Unburnt excessive Carbs are broke down to glucose and stored as fat, in the liver and muscles. Which can be burned at a later time. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I don't have a problem with Pizza, Beagles, Doughnuts or any other pastry based item. But I don't see the purpose of carb loading post workouts.
Hey CincyNeid...It's not really "carb loading" (as you would call what a marathon runner might do to prepare for a race) After a workout or a game think of it more as carb replenishing. Your muscles have burned off their stores of glycogen post workout. What your body really needs is to replenish those stores...which is why I always advise my clients and athletes to get something into their body post activity. Now, if your activity is just taking a walk around the block then no...skip the snack, but post workout....oh man, that's where the magic happens.
Meal timing is pretty much irrelevant except for advanced trainees i.e athletes and bodybuilders
Meal timing from a calorie deficit point of view sure. But timing is important for even intermediate trainees. For me, I don't need to carb load but I definitely need a combination of protein+carbs right after a heavy workout - carbs for replenishment, protein for recovery.
actually you don't...
Not sure exactly what your argument is. Personally I fit in the categories from the follow on posting showing when it would be needed and I definitely am not in the advanced trainee category. If someone fits in those categories, why wouldn't they need it? Other exercise nutritional research points to the same thing. https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5800/3-r-s-of-workout-recovery-nutrition
my point is that meal timing is irrelevant except for advanced athletes...
you are talking about something that may impact what you are doing at a rate of .01%....0 -
20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »mochachichi wrote: »Carbohydrates are a easy to break down source of fuel. Unburnt excessive Carbs are broke down to glucose and stored as fat, in the liver and muscles. Which can be burned at a later time. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I don't have a problem with Pizza, Beagles, Doughnuts or any other pastry based item. But I don't see the purpose of carb loading post workouts.
Hey CincyNeid...It's not really "carb loading" (as you would call what a marathon runner might do to prepare for a race) After a workout or a game think of it more as carb replenishing. Your muscles have burned off their stores of glycogen post workout. What your body really needs is to replenish those stores...which is why I always advise my clients and athletes to get something into their body post activity. Now, if your activity is just taking a walk around the block then no...skip the snack, but post workout....oh man, that's where the magic happens.
Meal timing is pretty much irrelevant except for advanced trainees i.e athletes and bodybuilders
Meal timing from a calorie deficit point of view sure. But timing is important for even intermediate trainees. For me, I don't need to carb load but I definitely need a combination of protein+carbs right after a heavy workout - carbs for replenishment, protein for recovery.
actually you don't...
Not sure exactly what your argument is. Personally I fit in the categories from the follow on posting showing when it would be needed and I definitely am not in the advanced trainee category. If someone fits in those categories, why wouldn't they need it? Other exercise nutritional research points to the same thing. https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5800/3-r-s-of-workout-recovery-nutrition
my point is that meal timing is irrelevant except for advanced athletes...
you are talking about something that may impact what you are doing at a rate of .01%....
Well from experience I have shown that the impact is greater than that.1 -
Chances are that those people were muscular before they started going to PF. I've known a good number of fit people who started going to PF for budgetary reasons, even though they despise the policies there.I should also note I have seen some very muscular people lifting at our PF.
I've also met people who use PF as a cheap secondary gym. If they're highly muscular, it's doubtful that they got that way solely because of PF's equipment.
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20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »20yearsyounger wrote: »mochachichi wrote: »Carbohydrates are a easy to break down source of fuel. Unburnt excessive Carbs are broke down to glucose and stored as fat, in the liver and muscles. Which can be burned at a later time. I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I don't have a problem with Pizza, Beagles, Doughnuts or any other pastry based item. But I don't see the purpose of carb loading post workouts.
Hey CincyNeid...It's not really "carb loading" (as you would call what a marathon runner might do to prepare for a race) After a workout or a game think of it more as carb replenishing. Your muscles have burned off their stores of glycogen post workout. What your body really needs is to replenish those stores...which is why I always advise my clients and athletes to get something into their body post activity. Now, if your activity is just taking a walk around the block then no...skip the snack, but post workout....oh man, that's where the magic happens.
Meal timing is pretty much irrelevant except for advanced trainees i.e athletes and bodybuilders
Meal timing from a calorie deficit point of view sure. But timing is important for even intermediate trainees. For me, I don't need to carb load but I definitely need a combination of protein+carbs right after a heavy workout - carbs for replenishment, protein for recovery.
actually you don't...
Not sure exactly what your argument is. Personally I fit in the categories from the follow on posting showing when it would be needed and I definitely am not in the advanced trainee category. If someone fits in those categories, why wouldn't they need it? Other exercise nutritional research points to the same thing. https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5800/3-r-s-of-workout-recovery-nutrition
my point is that meal timing is irrelevant except for advanced athletes...
you are talking about something that may impact what you are doing at a rate of .01%....
Well from experience I have shown that the impact is greater than that.
how are you tracking these gains from post workout nutrition?0 -
Actuallly, it's for much more than that. See http://milkandcookies.com/link/267592tscarelli1 wrote: »I love PF, The lunk alarm is for grunting too loudly, and dropping weights on the floor...
That's because it is judging. The PF rep in this video was pretty much forced to admit that.granted, it may seem like judging
If you think that's the primary reason for dropping weights, then you've never pushed yourself really hard with a free weights workout.but at the same time, there is no need to drop weights just so everyone can look over and see you working out.3
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