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Essential Oils
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
But what about simply relaxing the muscle? I could be wrong, but I thought that could have implications for how severe some people may perceive abdominal discomfort from IBS. That's just simply the oil being absorbed into the skin (not any further).
Still doesn't mean that rubbing peppermint oil on your stomach is going to lead to whatever "active ingredient supposed to relieve IBS symptoms" pass through the skin, fat, interabdominal space, and target the colon.CorneliusPhoton wrote: »Speaking about transdermal absorption, I was once prescribed hormones via shooting (thank you _Waffle_) them into my coochie because they were more effectively delivered to the bloodstream than going through the whole digestive system. I think that using any of the... "insertable" drug bullets (enemas?) are the same as trans-dermal delivery, just a faster route to the bloodstream than the external skin.
I just don't see that happening.
Ever.
I'm saying that because (to my knowledge) that is a reasonable explanation for how rubbing essential oils on the skin can help certain health issues like IBS.
I would think if it were simply about muscle relaxation then the oil has nothing to do with it- the act of massage is what would be beneficial there. Save yourself about a bazillion dollars per ounce and buy a cheap bottle of corn oil to rub on your tummy.
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tlflag1620 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
But what about simply relaxing the muscle? I could be wrong, but I thought that could have implications for how severe some people may perceive abdominal discomfort from IBS. That's just simply the oil being absorbed into the skin (not any further).
Still doesn't mean that rubbing peppermint oil on your stomach is going to lead to whatever "active ingredient supposed to relieve IBS symptoms" pass through the skin, fat, interabdominal space, and target the colon.CorneliusPhoton wrote: »Speaking about transdermal absorption, I was once prescribed hormones via shooting (thank you _Waffle_) them into my coochie because they were more effectively delivered to the bloodstream than going through the whole digestive system. I think that using any of the... "insertable" drug bullets (enemas?) are the same as trans-dermal delivery, just a faster route to the bloodstream than the external skin.
I just don't see that happening.
Ever.
I'm saying that because (to my knowledge) that is a reasonable explanation for how rubbing essential oils on the skin can help certain health issues like IBS.
I would think if it were simply about muscle relaxation then the oil has nothing to do with it- the act of massage is what would be beneficial there. Save yourself about a bazillion dollars per ounce and buy a cheap bottle of corn oil to rub on your tummy.
Or this, seeing as how it was for the digestive tract :
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
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I think lots of people miss the forest for the trees. If the macros aren't taken care of then the micros don't matter. Here are the macros, IMO:
- Eat less than you burn.
- Get enough protein and fat.
- Get your ten thousand steps daily and work up a sweat every other day.
I use Argan oil in my hair, vitamin E oil for my nails and I take a herbal supplement to help with my hot flashes (I suspect placebo but since I won't consider other remedies I'll take the feel-good herb).
http://www.scibabe.com/the-weekly-woo-homeopathy-or-theres-no-medicine-in-my-medicine/0 -
Used Eucalyptus oil in my sauna today - can't live without it.0
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kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
Coffee up there? Why would you do that??? We talked about absorbing through the skin. Do you get caffeine that way? What is the optimal temperature for the coffee? Do keto people put a stick of butter in it?
And why do I wonder these things? Thanks Obama.2 -
MissusMoon wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I took this out of the book I have on essential oils. Not sure if the rest of you believe it, but I think it could easily explain what happened the particular instance when I rubbed an excessive amount of oil on my skin. Notice the first section at the top and what it says about putting more.
I have a book that says a guy got bit by a spider and then became a red bodystocking wearing superhero with many spidey senses and powers.
I saw the movie!!!!!1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I took this out of the book I have on essential oils. Not sure if the rest of you believe it, but I think it could easily explain what happened the particular instance when I rubbed an excessive amount of oil on my skin. Notice the first section at the top and what it says about putting more.
I have a book that says a guy got bit by a spider and then became a red bodystocking wearing superhero with many spidey senses and powers.
I saw the movie!!!!!
You mean the documentary?4 -
WiseBlueRaven wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I took this out of the book I have on essential oils. Not sure if the rest of you believe it, but I think it could easily explain what happened the particular instance when I rubbed an excessive amount of oil on my skin. Notice the first section at the top and what it says about putting more.
I have a book that says a guy got bit by a spider and then became a red bodystocking wearing superhero with many spidey senses and powers.
I saw the movie!!!!!
You mean the documentary?
Right. I get those two confused all the time.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
Coffee up there? Why would you do that??? We talked about absorbing through the skin. Do you get caffeine that way? What is the optimal temperature for the coffee? Do keto people put a stick of butter in it?
And why do I wonder these things? Thanks Obama.
The bolded part especially made me lol!
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They smell good and lavender and peppermint can help somewhat ease my migraines. Beyond that, I use real medicine.1
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They smell good and lavender and peppermint can help somewhat ease my migraines. Beyond that, I use real medicine.
I will also note that some smells just make me happy because they remind me of good memories. And that can have a huge impact on my mood.
Does anyone have an essential oil that smells like fresh cut wood? My dad does carpentry in his spare time, so that smell always reminds me of working on projects together in the garage.4 -
They smell good and lavender and peppermint can help somewhat ease my migraines. Beyond that, I use real medicine.
I will also note that some smells just make me happy because they remind me of good memories. And that can have a huge impact on my mood.
Does anyone have an essential oil that smells like fresh cut wood? My dad does carpentry in his spare time, so that smell always reminds me of working on projects together in the garage.
Auddii, there is sandalwood, pine, hemlock, etc. They smell really nice and woodsy, but perhaps not exactly like your dad's projects. I have a bunch because I make my own soaps, bath bombs, and bath salts.
The only ones I use medicinally is tea tree oil for acne here and there (it works), I make my own thieves' oil salve (with oils that have proven antifungal/antimicrobial properties) and I keep a bag of lavender buds at work for if I"m getting too stressed and need to calm the heck down. Oh, and vitamin E on canker sores, and of course argan oil on my curly hair. I would avoid any multi-level marketing scheme for oils like the plague.
I find the PDR for Herbal Medicine to be an extremely helpful reference tool. http://www.amazon.com/PDR-Herbal-Medicines-Thomson-Healthcare/dp/15636367861 -
kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
Coffee up there? Why would you do that??? We talked about absorbing through the skin. Do you get caffeine that way? What is the optimal temperature for the coffee? Do keto people put a stick of butter in it?
And why do I wonder these things? Thanks Obama.
ROFLMAO about the butter.
Here's an article with arguments for and against: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ask-the-science-based-pharmacist-what-are-the-benefits-of-coffee-enemas/0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »They smell good and lavender and peppermint can help somewhat ease my migraines. Beyond that, I use real medicine.
I will also note that some smells just make me happy because they remind me of good memories. And that can have a huge impact on my mood.
Does anyone have an essential oil that smells like fresh cut wood? My dad does carpentry in his spare time, so that smell always reminds me of working on projects together in the garage.
Auddii, there is sandalwood, pine, hemlock, etc. They smell really nice and woodsy, but perhaps not exactly like your dad's projects. I have a bunch because I make my own soaps, bath bombs, and bath salts.
The only ones I use medicinally is tea tree oil for acne here and there (it works), I make my own thieves' oil salve (with oils that have proven antifungal/antimicrobial properties) and I keep a bag of lavender buds at work for if I"m getting too stressed and need to calm the heck down. Oh, and vitamin E on canker sores, and of course argan oil on my curly hair. I would avoid any multi-level marketing scheme for oils like the plague.
I find the PDR for Herbal Medicine to be an extremely helpful reference tool. http://www.amazon.com/PDR-Herbal-Medicines-Thomson-Healthcare/dp/1563636786
Oh, and I should mention that I've long used amber paste as a perfume because I love the smell. Perhaps I should look into a combination amber/sandalwood.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!0 -
I think lots of people miss the forest for the trees. If the macros aren't taken care of then the micros don't matter. Here are the macros, IMO:
- Eat less than you burn.
- Get enough protein and fat.
- Get your ten thousand steps daily and work up a sweat every other day.
I use Argan oil in my hair, vitamin E oil for my nails and I take a herbal supplement to help with my hot flashes (I suspect placebo but since I won't consider other remedies I'll take the feel-good herb).
http://www.scibabe.com/the-weekly-woo-homeopathy-or-theres-no-medicine-in-my-medicine/
I think the only actual oil associated with homeopathy is snake oil at .01 ppb.1 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »They smell good and lavender and peppermint can help somewhat ease my migraines. Beyond that, I use real medicine.
I will also note that some smells just make me happy because they remind me of good memories. And that can have a huge impact on my mood.
Does anyone have an essential oil that smells like fresh cut wood? My dad does carpentry in his spare time, so that smell always reminds me of working on projects together in the garage.
Auddii, there is sandalwood, pine, hemlock, etc. They smell really nice and woodsy, but perhaps not exactly like your dad's projects. I have a bunch because I make my own soaps, bath bombs, and bath salts.
The only ones I use medicinally is tea tree oil for acne here and there (it works), I make my own thieves' oil salve (with oils that have proven antifungal/antimicrobial properties) and I keep a bag of lavender buds at work for if I"m getting too stressed and need to calm the heck down. Oh, and vitamin E on canker sores, and of course argan oil on my curly hair. I would avoid any multi-level marketing scheme for oils like the plague.
I find the PDR for Herbal Medicine to be an extremely helpful reference tool. http://www.amazon.com/PDR-Herbal-Medicines-Thomson-Healthcare/dp/1563636786
Oh, and I should mention that I've long used amber paste as a perfume because I love the smell. Perhaps I should look into a combination amber/sandalwood.0 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!
Just reading this made my body cleanse and detox itself
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jmbmilholland wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!
Just reading this made my body cleanse and detox itself
Yes, but what did you actually detox *from*?
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jmbmilholland wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!
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Carlos_421 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!
I think this one would be more apropos..."My biscuits are burnin'!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kXSp89tOXk
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jmbmilholland wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »jmbmilholland wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
...AND cayenne pepper if you REALLY want to cleanse and detox!
I think this one would be more apropos..."My biscuits are burnin'!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kXSp89tOXk
Lol "Fire in the hatch!"0 -
I use a blend called digize for my heartburn, I was very skeptical about the oils when I first started using them, but now I only get heartburn occasionally and ginger takes it away. I used to use prevacid ever single day for a few years, used digize for about a month and it took care of it. The oils are not magical properties, these are what they used to use back in the day, people were called witches because they could heal people without being a "doctor". Essential oils are basically old medicine, but since drugs, (modern medicine), work faster they got replaced. Frankincense was the only thing that stopped a very intense itch on my hand, which turned out to be psoriasis. I used Lavender to help with my sinus issues, However I also believe that there is a place for modern medicine especially if something needs to be taken care of quickly...like cellulitis and other serious infections.0
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I do believe that essential oils and other holistic approaches can work but I always do extensive research on them before trying them. I never trust anything read on a site with the .com domain and tend to read and pay attention to actual studies and research before even thinking about using them. I always ask my doctor first and get her opinion/advice first. or at the very least i call a nurse help line
In regards to peppermint oil I take a capsule every night to prevent my IBS flare ups but i think that a big reason it works for me is my trigger is stress and anxiety which although i try to eliminate them from my life no way can my life be 100% stress and anxiety free so after many failed attempts of controlling it found out peppermint oil taken orally works for me. It relaxes my abdominal muscles so that i don't experience the pain but it doesn't always help with all of my symptoms....just the pain T_T unfortunately.
Also my fiance gets kidney and urinary tract infects and yeast infections constantly almost every other month. unfortunately due to taking antibiotics a lot when trying to get rid of them his body has built and immunity to them and they no longer work as well as they used to. And the antibiotics didn't always get or kill everything so wed end up back where we started so a few months ago we tried something new olive leaf extract pills they are a natural antibiotic and so far his only symptom hes had with them is having to pee a lot. but they worked like a charm killed everything now we just have to make sure he takes cranberry pills and drinks tons of water to prevent future infections. so far hes been three months with out one and trust me we are heavily relieved. he has a lot of scar tissue in his kidneys from when he used to do MMA his kidneys is usually where his infections start.
IMO you should research anything you're about to use on your body or put in it before you use it. Natural or modern medicine both can be dangerous or have bad side effects. I like knowing why something is supposed to help me and if it will help or do more harm than good. I'm pro science and proof0 -
I have read about and experienced peppeemint relaxing the LES and causing GERD, so what might ease one issue can cause another so be cautious with it and watch for other symptoms.
http://www.mckinley.illinois.edu/handouts/gerd_diet.html
http://www.practicalgastro.com/pdf/May04/MitreArticle.pdf0 -
E0s are very potent and powerful medicine. Use carrier oils cause a little goes a long way. Many modern drugs come from plants. Be careful and research your oils. My favorite is lavender. A drop on the soles of your feet with olive oil makes stress disappear. Just do a patch test to make sure you don't have An allergic reaction! Good luck and many blessings to you as you begin this exciting journey into the healing arts!0
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Sacred cows and the power of placebo. My oh my.1
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kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
Coffee up there? Why would you do that??? We talked about absorbing through the skin. Do you get caffeine that way? What is the optimal temperature for the coffee? Do keto people put a stick of butter in it?
And why do I wonder these things? Thanks Obama.
ROFLMAO about the butter.
Here's an article with arguments for and against: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ask-the-science-based-pharmacist-what-are-the-benefits-of-coffee-enemas/
Err, if you see that as a for and against, the critical thinking has been turned off.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »paulgads82 wrote: »Anecdotal, I've always found peppermint tea good for cramps, but I'd rather not have it up my rear.
Coffee enema or GTFO!
Amateur. Coffee enema with peppermint oil.
Coffee up there? Why would you do that??? We talked about absorbing through the skin. Do you get caffeine that way? What is the optimal temperature for the coffee? Do keto people put a stick of butter in it?
And why do I wonder these things? Thanks Obama.
ROFLMAO about the butter.
Here's an article with arguments for and against: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ask-the-science-based-pharmacist-what-are-the-benefits-of-coffee-enemas/
Err, if you see that as a for and against, the critical thinking has been turned off.
+1000
The advice of "America's Most Trusted Pharmacist" is shockingly bad.1
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