Diet drinks?
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daniellek30 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I don't think you are using "persecuted" correctly.
However, thanks for clarifying where you were coming from. I understood (and continue to understand) OP's question as about diet soda in general, not for people with particular sensitivities and health conditions. In particular, I saw it as motivated by a question as to whether it would be bad for her or her weight loss. Therefore, unless you were trying to claim it was bad for that IN GENERAL (as I see you were), I didn't understand why you were focusing on your health issues.
As for the claim that it makes it harder to lose weight IN GENERAL, for everyone, that's simply not true.
You are correct - it is not true. I don't think it makes it harder to lose weight in general. I never said that.
I said it makes me bloat! And I saw the question focused on whether or not it was good for you, and so I was giving an example based off of myself.
I think the bigger point here now, is there is a way to approach people with your comments back to someone, without making them feel like an idiot and being hurtful. For example, the poster who says 'Didn't you hear? If you aren't a clean eater/health oriented person then you only eat Cheetos and drink Diet Coke.'.
That's not necessary, since no one said that.
But yet you can say those of us that drink diet soda are somehow less healthy than...people who drink water exclusively. So you can hurt my feelings, that's ok?
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daniellek30 wrote: »I don't think aspartame is healthy. I don't think phosphoric acid is healthy. I've had doctors tell me diet soda is not healthy.
You do think it's healthy. You've probably read something somewhere saying it poses no unhealthy side effects.
I have Dr and nurse friends that attribute most kidney stones to both REGULAR and diet soda.
Here's the thing. You can come in here with your opinions about it, and you repeat what you've had a doctor and a nurse tell you. But I can come in here with peer-reviewed studies and scientific explanations that, in appropriate dosage, aspartame, phosphoric acid, and soda as a whole aren't harmful and can be included in the average person's diet. Your health issues make you an outlier. If you're going to argue that diet soda is unhealthy across the board, you need to back it up.You are defending something you feel very passionate about - and that is great! Okay? You're right, i'm wrong!
We good now? Because at the end of the day, i'm not going to go drink diet soda, and you are! And if you drink it consistently, you may or may not notice a difference.
I've honestly never even seen people defend prominent government issues as much as I've seen them defend diet soda today. Whoa.
Drinking soda or not, that's not the issue. The issue is perpetuating myths without scientific backing. There's too much of that in the diet and fitness world already, and the posters on here disagreeing with you are trying to stop the spread of misinformation. People will do that in various ways - with humor, with snark, with facts, with strong tone. That's the internet.5 -
wickedmaineah wrote: »lauraesh0384 wrote: »I drink two cans of Diet Mt Dew every day and it hasn't prevented me from losing weight. Some people think they're bad because of the aspartame. If you google aspartame there's a lot of controversy on it causing cancer. I just shrug it off because apparently everything causes cancer these days.
Mtn Dew is my weakness.....need to get a fix. How close is the taste pf Diet Dew to regular Dew?
I heard it tasted doodoo-ish. Diet Dr. Pepper is nirvana, though.2 -
daniellek30 wrote: »I don't think aspartame is healthy. I don't think phosphoric acid is healthy. I've had doctors tell me diet soda is not healthy.
You do think it's healthy. You've probably read something somewhere saying it poses no unhealthy side effects.
I have Dr and nurse friends that attribute most kidney stones to both REGULAR and diet soda.
You are defending something you feel very passionate about - and that is great! Okay? You're right, i'm wrong!
We good now? Because at the end of the day, i'm not going to go drink diet soda, and you are! And if you drink it consistently, you may or may not notice a difference.
I've honestly never even seen people defend prominent government issues as much as I've seen them defend diet soda today. Whoa.
That's funny (the bolded), because sites such as the University of Chicago's Kidney Stones Page doesn't even list soda (diet or otherwise) as a contributory factor. There are plenty of healthy "clean" foods that are very high in oxalates though. Furthermore, a study from the Journal of Endourology indicated that soda showed absolutely no causative factors for kidney stones.
If you have peer-reviewed sources which back your opinions, feel free to post them.
[ETA:] People aren't "defending" diet soda, per se. Rather, they're debunking pseudoscience and fearmongering for the benefit of others who may read this thread. Because these "Diet soda iz da debilzzz!" threads pop up three or four times per week on MFP.8 -
I didn't want to drink my calories when I was prepping for my wedding, so I bought a case of Coke Zero. Mentally, it acted as a crutch for when I wanted to snack on something bad, I'd say, well I'll just drink a coke instead. I love coke, so that substitution worked for me.
Now, I don't struggle with many cravings. If I do, I'm more in-tune with my own body to anticipate them and work them in. I still drink coke, because I live in the f'ing desert and it's a refreshing beverage.1 -
I get that now.. I guess because she highjacked the thread quite a back.. I thought she was her, but nevertheless, this is where it really began with earlier in the thread..0
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So many double posts - I think MFP crashed a little bit. If I offended anyone by saying that I don't think diet soda is healthy, then I am very sorry and that was not my intention.
The diet soda vs. non diet soda is obviously a very touchy subject to people!
I also did not hijack this post, I posted an answer to it and apparently people had an issue with it. I should have only posted once
Also, I'm sorry that I also feel very strongly about people mocking other people based on their opinions and how a product makes them feel. I also don't think that tanning beds are healthy - my bad. It's a tough world to live in when people would rather mock you and be hateful than be kind.1 -
I guess the forums don't just have problems for me lately with all the double to penta posts.1
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daniellek30 wrote: »I think this depends on everyone. Diet soda becomes an addiction, the same as regular soda, or coffee would. Honestly, i'm confused how anyone can think it's 'good' for you, considering it is entirely artificial.
By quitting diet soda, I lost weight and reduced the majority of my fibromyalgia symptoms. Most people may not have an issue with this, but I have a reaction to aspartame that causes immense body pain and flare ups.
Diet Mtn Dew:
First 2 ingredients are carbonated water, and concentrated orange juice. Please explain the "entirely artificial" comment ..3 -
daniellek30 wrote: »I think what is interesting is that people assume just because they have had no issues drinking diet soda, then no one else will.
Every persons body is different, we have different medical issues or lack there of. +
Some people DO note weight loss when quitting diet soda, whether it be from quitting the foods that they also associate with it or whatever. Just because you didn't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Some people DO note bloating when drinking diet soda (such as myself, considering it is carbonation and all.) Some people don't! If you don't, don't assume that no one else does.
My opinion is that to boast of being a 'healthy living individual', and then to consistently drink diet soda is hypocritical. Obviously every one in a while to treat yourself is fine, but the ingredients in diet soda should be enough to realize it's not good for you.
Anything artificial is not fantastic for you. People can post all day how 'aspartame is not actually bad for you' and that's wonderful that you think that, but it's awful for me. Phosphoric acid is not good for you. It's put into the drink to prevent molding, and it is corrosive and if put directly onto your skin would cause a rash. I don't want that in my body.
So would stomach acid. That's in your body.0 -
daniellek30 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I don't think you are using "persecuted" correctly.
However, thanks for clarifying where you were coming from. I understood (and continue to understand) OP's question as about diet soda in general, not for people with particular sensitivities and health conditions. In particular, I saw it as motivated by a question as to whether it would be bad for her or her weight loss. Therefore, unless you were trying to claim it was bad for that IN GENERAL (as I see you were), I didn't understand why you were focusing on your health issues.
As for the claim that it makes it harder to lose weight IN GENERAL, for everyone, that's simply not true.
You are correct - it is not true. I don't think it makes it harder to lose weight in general. I never said that.
I said it makes me bloat! And I saw the question focused on whether or not it was bad for you, and so I was giving an example based off of myself, that yes it was in fact bad for me.
I think the bigger point here now, is there is a way to approach people with your comments back to someone, without making them feel like an idiot and being hurtful. For example, the poster who says 'Didn't you hear? If you aren't a clean eater/health oriented person then you only eat Cheetos and drink Diet Coke.'.
That's not necessary, since no one said that.
I've been trying to type a response now for the past few minutes, but keep deleting it because it might be too "hurtful".
Seriously, you need some thicker skin if you are hurt by what someone says on a Internet forum. This is incredibly tame compared to other places. Not one was trying to make you feel like an idiot. Stop the victim mentality.
It is bad for you in particular, we get that. What people are contesting is your overall claim that NO ONE should drink it because it causes you problems. Then you tried an "appeal to authority" by saying doctors and nurses you know said it causes X y and z so it must be true. You are not the only one who has friends in the medical field (I work in medicine and interact with other healthcare professional every day). I don't use my friendships in a debate because it is irrelevant.
Science has shown, time and time again that unless you have medical problems, there are no adverse side effects to drinking diet soda.9 -
wickedmaineah wrote: »lauraesh0384 wrote: »I drink two cans of Diet Mt Dew every day and it hasn't prevented me from losing weight. Some people think they're bad because of the aspartame. If you google aspartame there's a lot of controversy on it causing cancer. I just shrug it off because apparently everything causes cancer these days.
Mtn Dew is my weakness.....need to get a fix. How close is the taste pf Diet Dew to regular Dew?
Not even close. My boyfriend accidentally bought me diet Dew a few years ago. I still give him grief about it (it's that bad!).1 -
wickedmaineah wrote: »lauraesh0384 wrote: »I drink two cans of Diet Mt Dew every day and it hasn't prevented me from losing weight. Some people think they're bad because of the aspartame. If you google aspartame there's a lot of controversy on it causing cancer. I just shrug it off because apparently everything causes cancer these days.
Mtn Dew is my weakness.....need to get a fix. How close is the taste pf Diet Dew to regular Dew?
Not even close. My boyfriend accidentally bought me diet Dew a few years ago. I still give him grief about it (it's that bad!).
Try the throwback ... cane sugar instead of HFCS ... it matters.0 -
daniellek30 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I don't think you are using "persecuted" correctly.
However, thanks for clarifying where you were coming from. I understood (and continue to understand) OP's question as about diet soda in general, not for people with particular sensitivities and health conditions. In particular, I saw it as motivated by a question as to whether it would be bad for her or her weight loss. Therefore, unless you were trying to claim it was bad for that IN GENERAL (as I see you were), I didn't understand why you were focusing on your health issues.
As for the claim that it makes it harder to lose weight IN GENERAL, for everyone, that's simply not true.
You are correct - it is not true. I don't think it makes it harder to lose weight in general. I never said that.
Oh? So when you said: "She also asked if it made it harder to lose weight, and in my opinion it does," you meant to include "for me"? That would have made things more clear.And I saw the question focused on whether or not it was good for you, and so I was giving an example based off of myself.
I understood the OP to be asking more generally, in a way that would be applicable to herself. I do see how you understood it differently, though. However, why I commented in the first place is that you were taking to task people who were saying they had no problem with it (in other words, similar to the OP, who had said she had not noticed any problem) and yet it was you claiming that your issues meant that diet soda was somehow unhealthy in a more general sense (i.e., for OP), and no one was claiming that because they had no issues YOU should drink it. I continue to see you as claiming that diet soda is unhealthy for the rest of us (even if we are too dumb to realize it) and that's where I think your evidence is lacking. No one has said you should drink it.I think the bigger point here now, is there is a way to approach people with your comments back to someone, without making them feel like an idiot and being hurtful. For example, the poster who says 'Didn't you hear? If you aren't a clean eater/health oriented person then you only eat Cheetos and drink Diet Coke.'.
That's not necessary, since no one said that.
Well, it happens a lot, and the one poster suggested that if you drink diet soda you apparently don't drink water, which I continue to think is odd, and that's what my post and the person who responded (who you quoted) was referring to.
Also, remember you jumped in claiming that other people were unhealthy for drinking diet soda. If you want to claim others are unhealthy you have to expect they will disagree if they don't think they are (and here the evidence is not on your side, IMO).7
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