June (2016) Running Challenge
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Well according to that article I have an eating disorder, ha ha! I look at guys and girls a like when they are running shirtless. Nothing like a nice male chest coming at you when you are running in those little skimpy shorts. Lots of time I pass a woman and think damn I want those abs or how the hell does she keep those girls in wearing that skimpy bra LOL!!! At a race in the Spring I told the woman in front of me I was lusting after her legs half the race. I've only run once in a sports bra only and I'm really too self consciousness (could be that I'm old), Skip runs that way all the time. Ah to be 16.2
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skippygirlsmom wrote: »Well according to that article I have an eating disorder, ha ha! I look at guys and girls a like when they are running shirtless. Nothing like a nice male chest coming at you when you are running in those little skimpy shorts. Lots of time I pass a woman and think damn I want those abs or how the hell does she keep those girls in wearing that skimpy bra LOL!!! At a race in the Spring I told the woman in front of me I was lusting after her legs half the race. I've only run once in a sports bra only and I'm really too self consciousness (could be that I'm old), Skip runs that way all the time. Ah to be 16.
I'm so jealous/motivated but the women with the low BF! The guys, mmm. I swear I'm gonna be a creepy old lady perv...4 -
Got in a nice double-workout today as my marathon plan called for a bunch of 5-minute threshold pace runs w. 1 minute recovery, along with an easy run. Met a few friends at noon for the easy run - hitting up a loop and then some shaded trails, then went out again at 4PM for the threshold runs. I was pretty surprised that I didn't have much trouble doing the 5 threshold runs on the track at my 10K-15K pace (6:35-6:40/mile) & heart rate range despite the heat (mid 80s) and lack of shade. Still, with humidity down to 50%, I guess my Florida conditioning has been paying off.
6/1 - 4 miles
6/2 - 8 miles
6/3 - 13.5 miles
6/5 - 13.5 miles
6/6 - 9 miles
6/7 - 10 miles
6/9 - 12 miles
6/10 - 9 miles
6/11 - 8 miles
6/12 - 12 miles
6/13 - 4 miles
6/14 - 1 mile
6/15 - 4 miles
6/17 - 5.5 miles
6/19 - 6 miles
6/20 - 5 miles
6/21 - 13 miles
Total: 137.5 miles
Goal: 200 miles
Remaining: 62.5 miles
2016 Race Schedule:
Disney Marathon - Jan 6 - 3:29:09
Gasparilla 15K - Feb 20 - 1:01:59
Ironman 70.3 Florida - Apr 10 - 5:07:51
Pittsburgh Marathon - May 1 - 3:08:25
Ironman 70.3 Augusta - Sep 25
Chicago Marathon - Oct 9
Ironman Florida - Nov 5
@PoppetsMaster - The basic idea from what I understand for building marathon fitness is that you gradually ramp up your level of cardio & muscular stress over time during your training to build up more and more cardio and muscular fitness (usually pushing hard for 2-3 weeks, then stepping back for a week to prevent injury and let your muscles recover, then do another cycle with slightly more stress, and repeating until you get to a point where you come close to injury or run out of training time). Still, for those muscles to perform at peak on race day, it takes 2-3 weeks of reduced stress to get them to 100% for the race itself (some of which comes from a gradual decrease in mileage, some comes from a 2 day rest on race week) - while trying to maintain enough load so that the cardio loss isn't too significant. I've always peaked about 3 weeks before each marathon, but those cutbacks still involved a reasonable amount of distance in the last 2 weeks (usually if I'm peaking at 50 miles/week, I've cut to 40 then 25+race for the final 2 going into the race).
Given that philosophy, the big question is whether you think by piling on the mileage in the next couple of weeks, the cardio benefits will be greater than the muscular stress felt on race day from not tapering.
From your prior training cycles, you may remember how your long runs felt when done on 2 consecutive weekends and can compare to how the beginning of a marathon felt after a taper. If you didn't notice much of a difference between how you felt when doing your 2nd 20 miler and how you felt during a marathon, you might be fine peaking closer to the race. If the 2nd consecutive long Sunday run (as I'll occasionally do an 18 then 20 on back to back Sundays) felt much worse, you probably need the taper.
If you think your body is back to 100%, I suspect you'd be at 90% of your cardio efficiency from pre-injury at this point and could jump up near your pre-injury mileage (just at a slower pace) this week, then taper (i.e. if your plan called for 40/week, and you were near there pre-race, I'd do close to the 40 now, then drop to 30/25). If you are still hurt, I'd focus on getting back to 100% as you won't make it to the finish line, or be able to run after the race for a while. Another option if your injury is running-area specific is to do a bunch of cross training as your legs recover this week (swimming is good as it'll work your upper body), so you don't lose much of your cardio base by race-day.
My only other recommendation is to plan to significantly negative split the race. If your cardio is close to race shape, you'll be fine and still get very close to your potential fastest time, and if it isn't, you'll know mid way and won't be totally dead during the 2nd half if you've ended up losing a bunch of cardio during your injury.1 -
June goal.....run
6/1 rest
6/2 3.59
6/3 dog nursing
6/4 worked unplanned, unexpected overtime. crap.
6/5 5.39
6/6 dog nursing....DH was longingly looking at his weedwhacker. I spelled him to go whack off.
6/7 5.31
6/8 3.60
6/9 3.12
6/10 gave DH a nursing break
6/11 8.32
6/12 3.71
6/13 3.38
6/14 4.41 snuck out of work and ran in the rain.....so I can dognurse/give DH a break when I get home. 3 weeks till he's allowed off leash.....
6/15 3.11
6/16 4.19
6/17 3.30
6/18 rest
6/19 4.23
6/20 snorkel 2.5 hours... the dog has recovered enough that we could leave him in the house for a few hours: orangespined unicornfish
6/21 5.00
Total 61.28
@skippygirlsmom I feel your pain about the dog. I no longer run in my neighborhood with the dogs due to one dooshhbag up the hill who walks hers off leash...and he attacks my male leashed, restrained dog EVERY SINGLE TIME. Calling animal control is useless as we are so remote it would take hours for them to appear. Better to just avoid the encounters.....
Upcoming races:
SHEPower Virtual Half: sometime in June or July......when dog needs less nursing
Las Vegas RocknRoll Half 11/13/16
Ticker is my goal for 2016 and accumulation to date:
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I made it to 6pm Body Pump class...can't wait till its over. Maybe I'll feel like running 5K after. Fingers crossed3
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Date Miles today. Miles for June
6/1 5 miles - 5 << Another recovery run.
6/2 6.5 miles - 11.5
6/3 REST DAY (unplanned but necessary)
6/4 13.5 miles - 25
6/5 REST DAY
6/6 8 miles 33
6/6 4 miles 37 << Daily Double
6/7 9 miles 46
6/7 5 miles 51 << Daily Double
6/8 6.2 miles 57.2
6/9 9 miles 66.2
6/10 6.2 miles 72.4
6/11 18 miles 90.4
6/12 REST DAY
6/13 9 miles 99.4
6/13 4 miles 103.4 << Daily Double
6/14 9 miles 112.4
6/14 4 miles 116.4 << Daily Double
6/15 6.2 miles 122.6
6/16 9 miles 131.6
6/16 5 miles 136.6 << Daily Double FF Pub Run at Yellowhammer
6/17 6.2 miles 142.8
6/18 18 miles 160.8
6/19 REST DAY
6/20 9 miles 169.8
6/20 4 miles 173.8 << Daily Double
6/21 9 miles 182.8
6/21 4 miles 186.8 << Daily Double
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10
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juliet3455 wrote: »
Haha! awww0 -
Finished body pump and ran 5k on treadmill.!!!!whoo hoo!4
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »First run of Taper week 1 was a VERY easy 3 miles at 10:31 Average pace.
Total: 73.64/100
Random question...is it normal to feel more tired, AND more restless during taper?
Yes.
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PoppetsMaster wrote: »First pain free run since my fall on June 3.... only 5 miles, but it's a start. Had to modify my monthly goal from 180 to 100, which still might be a stretch, but I just can't do a sub-100 mile month.
@Stoshew71, @MobyCarp , @Ohhim... I have a 50k in a little under three weeks, but have run very few miles this month due to injury... do any of you see any reason why I can't just skip the taper and maybe only back off the miles a couple days before the race? My legs feel fresh, but my gut tells me I need couple of 15s and maybe a 20 prior to race day.
You've already got a couple of good replies, so take this for what it's worth.
There's physiology, and there's psychology. If you need a 20 mile run to be confident, then do a 20 mile run.
From a physiological standpoint, you're off the planned program of train hard and then taper to recover and heal up stuff that you didn't even notice needed healing. There's not a lot of common wisdom on how to approach this, and I've never been in that position for a marathon. I've never run an ultra.
The closest cognate in my history was my second half marathon. I was coming off a stress fracture that put me in a boot, and gradually building the mileage back up. I was running everything easy, no speed work. Got my long run up to 10 miles the week before the half, then I went and ran the half. Didn't run it at a true race pace, and I still had to slow down the last 4 miles because my foot ached, but I finished. That remains my slowest half marathon to date, out of the 9 I've run.
So there you have it. Coming of injury, I built from a start of a quarter mile run up to the half marathon distance with no taper, because I needed all the time I had to build the distance up to 13 miles. Don't know how relevant that is to your situation, where your injury wasn't as severe so you weren't knocked back as far, and your race is an ultra instead of a half. Guess you just have to figure out what you think will work for you, and do the best you can.2 -
Oh Jeez@MobyCarp I think That sign described my day today, and it's only Day One! My HM isn't until 7/4....It's going to be a long 2 weeks!2
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June Running Totals (miles)
6/1 – rest day
6/2 – 6.11 easy
6/3 – rest day
6/4 – 7.21 easy with hills
6/5 – 7.42 easy
6/6 – rest day
6/7 – 8.56 easy
6/8 – rest day
6/9 – 8.01 easy
6/10 – rest day
6/11 – 10.09 with hills and humidity
6/12 – 6.21 easy with 1 stride
6/13 – rest day
6/14 – run squeezed out of schedule
6/15 – rest day 7.00 group run
6/16 – 4.02 in 3 pieces
6/17 – rest day
6/18 – 4.83 aborted pace run
6/19 – 8.27 hot and humid
6/20 – rest day
6/21 – 7.18 warmup, speed work, cool down
June total to date – 84.91
Nominal Challenge Goal – 100 miles
Real Goals: Recover from injury to the point where running feels normal again. Stretch goal, recover to the point where I can run at race pace.
Today's notes – Got to the club workout a bit late, ran the 2 mile warmup and got back too late to do the lap of drills. Just as well; I was geared up for some easy speed work, but not for drills. The fast assignment was 4 x 200 at R with 200 recovery, 3 x 600 at R with 400 recovery, 4 x 200 at R with 200 recovery. That would look challenging to me even when healthy, and right now I'm not up to running at R pace. The workout for members planning to run the Boilermaker 15K was 2 miles easy, 3 x 2 miles at T with 3 minutes recovery, 2 miles easy. As attractive as the Boilermaker workout was, it's beyond my capability right now. I took the idea and watered it down a lot to 2 x 1 mile at T with 3 minutes recovery. Set out for the easy before and the first mile with some people doing the full Boilermaker workout, and couldn't keep up with them on the first T interval. Took my 3 minutes easy, then turned around and did my other mile. More easy distance, and got back to base after running a bit over 5 miles, in addition to the 2 mile warmup.
Temperature was 77, and humidity didn't seem too bad when I was running; but the sweat was pretty obvious when I stopped. Got in some good stretches, and reflected on how it went. The bad news is, 2 x 1 mile at T was harder and slower than I remember. The first mile at T came in at 6:48, and the second at 6:42. I just didn't have anything faster in me today. The good news is, the recovering leg is enough better that I can whine about how out of shape I am. I felt the leg more after the second speed interval, which tells me I pushed it hard enough and really shouldn't be doing 2 mile speed intervals today anyway.
Things being as they are, I'll take tomorrow as a planned rest day then run some easy miles on Thursday. I've kind of got it in the back of my mind that my base isn't very big right now, so a lot of speed work probably isn't that good of an idea. But at least I was able to do an easier speed workout today. That's something to hang on to, as I work my way back into shape for racing.
FWIW, my friend Bill spent some time today trying to convince me to run some races in October. While I'm receptive to the idea, right now I'm not totally healthy and just not feeling terribly competitive. That could change by October; but longer term, I want to be healthy for Boston 2017. So right now, my muted aspirations are along the lines of finish the 4 Seasons Challenge by running Shoreline and Rochester, and try to get healthy and stay healthy.
2016 races:
January 1, 2016 Resolution Run 7.5 mile (Mendon, NY) finished in 53:58
January 9, 2016 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) finished in 1:30:59
March 12, 2016 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 32:32
March 26, 2016 Spring Forward Distance Run 15K (Mendon, NY) finished in 1:05:24
April 18, 2016 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:23:01
April 24, 2016 Flower City Challenge Half Marathon (Rochester, NY) finished in 1:36:50, targeting MP
May 15, 2016 Highland Hospital Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) DNS - injury
June 19, 2016 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) DNS - recovering from face plant
July 16, 2016 Shoreline Half Marathon (Hamlin, NY)
September 18, 2016 Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
November 24, 2016 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)
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Ortho appointment was awful (no real solutions offered outside of ridiculously expensive orthotics or surgery), let it all out trail running. The route was beautiful, I'm thinking it'll become the new regular path
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Had a speed workout tonight for my half marathon training group. We did a reverse ladder of 4-3-2-1 minutes with 1 minute rest and then 1-2-3-4 minutes with 2 minutes between. Then sprints. It was tough but thank goodness the weather was so much cooler tonight. Beautiful night for running. Between the workout and the warmup and cooldown I put in 5.9 miles.
Getting close to my June goal!
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1TheQueenB wrote: »
For leg chafing, body glide (or speed stick solid) usually prevents it at my end.
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1TheQueenB wrote: »
I gave up on bras years ago, and wear camisole shapers: often without a shirt over them (if they aren't TOO underwear looking....). They give me plenty support and there is nothing to chafe!0 -
1TheQueenB wrote: »
God only knows.
I try to make sure that I only wear bras that aren't too big (more rubbing as they move around). I haven't had a lot of luck with vaseline or body glide. Oh...and I don't wear tanks for my long runs, even though they're cooler, because the edges of my bra will start to chafe my under arms after about 4-5 miles.0 -
instantmartian wrote: »5BeautifulDays wrote: »Hey @instantmartian , did you go to Firefly? I've wanted to do that one for a few years but was thinking I might be a little out of the age demographic. I need to convince one of my teens to go with me so I won't be embarrassed, lol.
I love bee guy!
At 45, I am *not* the demographic. Except I totally am because being 45 doesn't mean I don't like music! My kids laugh at me because their friends will be all "hey, have you heard this new song?" and they're all "yeah, my mom's been listening to it on Alt Nation for 2 months, dude." LOL
However, my old creaky 45-year-old body would be camping in a hotel, thank you very much!
Oh...and I did PT and 3 miles on the dreadmill watching Pride & Prejudice and Zombies. Tomorrow is long run day--for my knees, let us pray...
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Just did a lil 3miler in the hills. Waited for it to cool down to 108f to run. Minimal vertical (603ft). My recent heat training is paying off big-time!3
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3km run this morning - I'm still feeling kind of crappy and exhausted and I hope it's not one of my health conditions acting up, though it could just be my MA thesis that's stressing me out. Either way, I felt like I could not do 5K this morning. No way.
Ah, running in a sports bra. That sounds like heaven to me! Unfortunately, I have rather a lot of flab (no longer overweight, but not thin by any standards) and am reasonably muscular underneath (which makes for a chunky look ) and I wouldn't dare to take off my tank. I look too much like an excited pony already.3 -
1 June – 10 km with friends for Global Running Day
3 June – 10 km
4 June – 5 km parkrun
5 June – 18 km – furthest distance yet!
7 June – 7 km
(11-12 June – 42 km of mountain bushwalking, The Serra Terror)
(18 June – First time as parkrun Run Director)
19 June – 6.4 km
20 June – 6 km
22 June – 8.5 km
Goal: 150 km (93 miles)
Total run: 70.9 km (44 miles)
Total walked & run: kittenloads
Being back running after the Serra Terror feels awesome! I feel like running every day!
But I'm trying to learn from past events... I'd booked a race the weekend after I did it, but cancelled because I didn't want to overdo it in the end.
It's such a tightrope, staying ahead of the injuries.3 -
Date Miles MTD ------ ----- ------ June 1 5.1 5.1 June 2 5.6 10.7 June 4 5.8 16.5 June 5 4.2 20.7 June 7 4.2 24.9 June 9 5.1 30.0 June 10 4.3 34.3 June 11 13.2 47.5 June 12 3.7 51.2 June 15 5.6 56.8 June 18 10.2 67.0 June 19 5.1 72.1 June 22 4.3 76.4
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6/1: 5 miles
6/2: 6.4 miles
6/3: Rest
6/4: Lazy
6/5: 9 miles
6/6: 5 miles
6/7: 4 miles
6/8: 6.5 miles << Wednesday group run
6/9: 6.4 miles << Thursday PUB RUN!
6/10: Rest day finally
6/11: 13.1 << Halfway Half (unofficial)
6/12: 10 miles
6/13: 6 miles with Joe2Go crew
6/14: 6.2 miles << Group runner send off!
6/15: 5 miles
6/16: 7 miles
.......: 6.4 miles << Thursday group run!
6/17: Long awaited rest day
6/18: 10.2 miles
6/19: 16 miles
6/20: 6 miles
6/21: Rest day
6/22: 8 miles
Hills today!! 450 ft elevation gain over 8 miles? I'll take it! Rolling hills are my favorite, since what must come up must come down! Today's elevation chart:
It was a really beautiful morning to run. It was pretty humid (95%!) but cool (around 60F), and the sunrise was pink and gold and gorgeous... I wish I'd had my phone with me so I could share! But alas, an iPhone doesn't fit in shortie-short pockets
Happy Hump Day!
Upcoming Races:
7/4: A 4th of July race somewhere!
9/11: Lehigh Valley Via Marathon (Allentown, PA)
11/20: Philadelphia Marathon (Philly, PA)
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01-Jun: 3.28 miles
02-Jun: 6.88 miles
03-Jun: 6.89 miles
04-Jun: 7.75 miles
05-Jun: <Life Day>
06-Jun: 9.44 miles
07-Jun: 5.31 miles
08-Jun: 3.52 miles
09-Jun: 5.60 miles plus 1.01 miles (walk)
10-Jun:
11-Jun: 6.56 miles
12-Jun: <Life Day>
13-Jun: 6.00 miles
14-Jun: 7.37 miles
15-Jun: 3.10 miles
16-Jun: 6.78 miles
17-Jun: 7.51 miles
18-Jun: 10.20 miles
19-Jun: <Life Day>
20-Jun: 7.12 miles
21-Jun: 7.29 miles
22-Jun: 4.27 miles
23-Jun:
24-Jun:
25-Jun:
26-Jun: <Life Day>
27-Jun:
28-Jun:
29-Jun:
30-Jun:
85.8% completed.... But I need to up the mileage if I'm gonna get in 2016 miles this year.
Upcoming Races:
25-Jun: Cornerstone 5K, Byron
04-Jul: Peachtree Road Race 10K, Atlanta, GA
13-Aug: Apple-a-Day 5K, Macon
05-Sep: Labor Day Road Race 10K
17-Sep: Joshua's Wish 5K
24-Sep: Georgia Golden Olympics 5K
22-Oct: S.C.A.R.E. 5K, Macon
Another pretty good run - I think I like this new route. But I don't want to wear it out too quickly, so I need to limit my exposure.
Or maybe just that it's unseasonably cool - 68 degrees at the outset! Love it.
Re: @AdrianChr92's article (http://bluerockpublicradio.com/study-glancing-at-that-running-shirtless-guy-confirms-your-homosexuality/) - I guess I'm bi or something 'cause I like looking at fit folks regardless of their sex. Been watching the Olympic Diving Trials and appreciating not just their looks, but appreciating the work that goes into getting there (and staying there!).4 -
6/1- 4.17
6/2- 5.79
6/3-Rest
6/4-12.25
6/5-Rest
6/6- Rest
6/7-5.03
6/8-Rest
6/9-5.0
6/10- Rest
6/11-10k race
6/12- Rest/recovery
6/13- Rest
6/14- 9.12
6/15- 4.02
6/16- 6.7
6/17- Rest
6/18- 12.5 Miles
6/19- REST
6/20- REST
6/21- 3.0 <--First Taper Run
6/22 4.05
Total: 77.68/100
Second shorter run of Taper Week 1. Ran 4 miles averaging 10:20 and managed negative splits. HOWEVER, my left knee started acting up, and there was a little twinge in my right Achilles. I'm thinking my training has caught up with me...I'm really thinking about cutting back even more than my taper calls for. I'm struggling with this though, because I've been pushing so hard that even taper sucks.....
......However, I don't want to be injured for my HM in 12 days. I've been running 20+ MPW since mid April, and have Averaged just under 30 MPW over the last 4 weeks, and have 3 12+ mile runs under my belt, so I "know" that I have the training in, just not feeling happy about this new issue....
Any advice on keeping me going but at an easier routine so I can recover more?1 -
Date Miles today. Miles for June
6/1 5 miles - 5 << Another recovery run.
6/2 6.5 miles - 11.5
6/3 REST DAY (unplanned but necessary)
6/4 13.5 miles - 25
6/5 REST DAY
6/6 8 miles 33
6/6 4 miles 37 << Daily Double
6/7 9 miles 46
6/7 5 miles 51 << Daily Double
6/8 6.2 miles 57.2
6/9 9 miles 66.2
6/10 6.2 miles 72.4
6/11 18 miles 90.4
6/12 REST DAY
6/13 9 miles 99.4
6/13 4 miles 103.4 << Daily Double
6/14 9 miles 112.4
6/14 4 miles 116.4 << Daily Double
6/15 6.2 miles 122.6
6/16 9 miles 131.6
6/16 5 miles 136.6 << Daily Double FF Pub Run at Yellowhammer
6/17 6.2 miles 142.8
6/18 18 miles 160.8
6/19 REST DAY
6/20 9 miles 169.8
6/20 4 miles 173.8 << Daily Double
6/21 9 miles 182.8
6/21 4 miles 186.8 << Daily Double
6/22 5 miles 191.8
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10
I think it's time to taper for this race this Saturday. I didn't feel it this morning and cut my run a mile short and one of my slowest runs in a while. Turned it into an easy recovery run. It's been a little cooler this week too. Monday and yesterday, I did pick the pace up a little bit, so maybe now I am starting to feel it. In any case, I take it as a sign to start tapering.
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