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snowflake954 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »I'm with you, OP. I made the decision a long time ago not to weigh my food. I'm a pretty good eyeballer and I can eat a serving and not go back for more. I could easily see weighing and logging becoming an unhealthy obsession with me. Now I just try to eat healthy and hit the gym 5 times a week.
However, that's not to say that weighing doesn't work for other people. It does and they should do it if it works for them. It's just not something I want to do.
For curiosity sake, are you at your goal weight? Is your goal weight above what is considered a normal weight for your height or is it within that range?
I second @RosieRose7673 - it seems you are fishing for a certain answer here, expecting that no one can achieve and maintain goal weight/normal weight without measuring. I'm a 35 year old female, 5'7" 142 lbs. Smack in the middle of "normal" bmi, size 6/8 (US). Got there, and have maintained that, for three years (outside of a pregnancy) without weighing or measuring a thing (don't even log much of the time). At this point I continue to lose on average .25 lbs per week without trying. I figure my weight will continue to slowly reduce until I get to what is ideal for my body (even though I feel like I'm well within ideal range at this point). Historically I've found that my losses stop around 138-140 and I stabilize pretty well from there (I had my fourth child 10 months ago, it took about eight months for the last of the baby weight to come off).
Not everyone needs to weigh and measure. I'm not knocking those that do, it's a useful tool and people need to find what works for them. But whether you count calories or not, being at a deficit is all that's required to lose weight. Even the last few lbs.
Keep reading.
People can't take people at face value anymore?
So many inaccurate assumptions...
I mist have posted my response as you were posting yours... It happens.
I just know many people on here don't seem to think it's possible to lose those last few lbs without meticulous logging (read:weighing and measuring). Because of that, your questions sounded "loaded" to me. That's all.
I'm asking this with all due respect, but how do you teach people how to lose the last few pounds without weighing or measuring?
Not sure it is something that can be taught. That's why weighing and measuring is so helpful for so many! I mentioned waaaay upthread, lol, that I focus on eating foods that I find particularly satiating, which causes me to spontaneously eat less. I believe that's a big part of why I don't need to weigh food. I also know that I've never been one to eat out of stress, boredom, or for "comfort"; I seem to have pretty reliable hunger signals (at least when I eat satiating foods). Not everyone has that, or their hunger signals got messed up over years of overeating, yoyo dieting, or bad habits (ie boredom eating). I don't know if you can get those reliable hunger signals back.... Perhaps to a degree.
FWIW, I was never very overweight (at my largest I was merely "overweight" not "obese), and I never yoyo dieted. My weight was put on through moving to a more sedentary lifestyle after college (10 lbs in a year), a motorcycle accident that left me bedridden for about 6 weeks and with limited activity for a month or so after (another 10 lbs in that 3-4 months), and four pregnancies (gained 50 lbs with each, but lost the baby weight in between each one). I do think how and why one gained weight factors in to whether or not they have to weigh and measure in order to lose... But that's just my very unscientific, personal opinion, that is probably not even correct
I understand. My body self regulated for many years naturally. Now it has busted and wants me to gain weight. I hope I can get it back into mindfulness and intuitive eating like Big Daddy is hoping he will one day be able to do as well. I hate weighing and measuring. But my body is rebelling and wants to gain weight so I must find ways to stop it.
I would like to point out that tflag is 35, and you are 55. That can make a big difference right there. How many people have posted on how easy it used to be to lose or maintain weight when they were younger. All of a sudden, it doesn't work anymore---for quite a few people. I will hope that she continues to have success, but that's why it's impossible to replicate what she's doing---as she said herself, she doesn't know why it works for her.
This is true. I weighed 142 pounds at 5'7" back when I was 35 years old and never had to measure food or think about it. Once I hit my 40s it got much more difficult. I never believed anyone when they said my metabolism would slow down. But it did.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »I'm with you, OP. I made the decision a long time ago not to weigh my food. I'm a pretty good eyeballer and I can eat a serving and not go back for more. I could easily see weighing and logging becoming an unhealthy obsession with me. Now I just try to eat healthy and hit the gym 5 times a week.
However, that's not to say that weighing doesn't work for other people. It does and they should do it if it works for them. It's just not something I want to do.
For curiosity sake, are you at your goal weight? Is your goal weight above what is considered a normal weight for your height or is it within that range?
I second @RosieRose7673 - it seems you are fishing for a certain answer here, expecting that no one can achieve and maintain goal weight/normal weight without measuring. I'm a 35 year old female, 5'7" 142 lbs. Smack in the middle of "normal" bmi, size 6/8 (US). Got there, and have maintained that, for three years (outside of a pregnancy) without weighing or measuring a thing (don't even log much of the time). At this point I continue to lose on average .25 lbs per week without trying. I figure my weight will continue to slowly reduce until I get to what is ideal for my body (even though I feel like I'm well within ideal range at this point). Historically I've found that my losses stop around 138-140 and I stabilize pretty well from there (I had my fourth child 10 months ago, it took about eight months for the last of the baby weight to come off).
Not everyone needs to weigh and measure. I'm not knocking those that do, it's a useful tool and people need to find what works for them. But whether you count calories or not, being at a deficit is all that's required to lose weight. Even the last few lbs.
Keep reading.
People can't take people at face value anymore?
So many inaccurate assumptions...
I mist have posted my response as you were posting yours... It happens.
I just know many people on here don't seem to think it's possible to lose those last few lbs without meticulous logging (read:weighing and measuring). Because of that, your questions sounded "loaded" to me. That's all.
I'm asking this with all due respect, but how do you teach people how to lose the last few pounds without weighing or measuring?
Not sure it is something that can be taught. That's why weighing and measuring is so helpful for so many! I mentioned waaaay upthread, lol, that I focus on eating foods that I find particularly satiating, which causes me to spontaneously eat less. I believe that's a big part of why I don't need to weigh food. I also know that I've never been one to eat out of stress, boredom, or for "comfort"; I seem to have pretty reliable hunger signals (at least when I eat satiating foods). Not everyone has that, or their hunger signals got messed up over years of overeating, yoyo dieting, or bad habits (ie boredom eating). I don't know if you can get those reliable hunger signals back.... Perhaps to a degree.
FWIW, I was never very overweight (at my largest I was merely "overweight" not "obese), and I never yoyo dieted. My weight was put on through moving to a more sedentary lifestyle after college (10 lbs in a year), a motorcycle accident that left me bedridden for about 6 weeks and with limited activity for a month or so after (another 10 lbs in that 3-4 months), and four pregnancies (gained 50 lbs with each, but lost the baby weight in between each one). I do think how and why one gained weight factors in to whether or not they have to weigh and measure in order to lose... But that's just my very unscientific, personal opinion, that is probably not even correct
I understand. My body self regulated for many years naturally. Now it has busted and wants me to gain weight. I hope I can get it back into mindfulness and intuitive eating like Big Daddy is hoping he will one day be able to do as well. I hate weighing and measuring. But my body is rebelling and wants to gain weight so I must find ways to stop it.
I would like to point out that tflag is 35, and you are 55. That can make a big difference right there. How many people have posted on how easy it used to be to lose or maintain weight when they were younger. All of a sudden, it doesn't work anymore---for quite a few people. I will hope that she continues to have success, but that's why it's impossible to replicate what she's doing---as she said herself, she doesn't know why it works for her.
Very true! In my teens and twenties I could eat pretty much anything and stay stable. In my 30s I had to start focusing on those foods I find satiating (for me that means LCHF). At some point I may very well find that I need to use the "compass" instead of relying on my innate sense of direction! That's why I refuse to bash weighing food, lol... I don't like eating crow (even if it probably is low carb... har-dee-har-har)1 -
Thanks guys--I'm glad you could both see that. I'm 61 and very active, but have to fight to lose those lbs and still look fairly good. I like counting because my macros are essential now. How can you watch your macros without counting?0
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We all have to make the best of what we still have left and employ whatever techniques work the best for whatever stage we are in life. We can all turn things around no matter how quickly or slowly.1
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snowflake954 wrote: »Thanks guys--I'm glad you could both see that. I'm 61 and very active, but have to fight to lose those lbs and still look fairly good. I like counting because my macros are essential now. How can you watch your macros without counting?
Congratulations! How did you lose your last 10 pounds? How long did it take you? I feel like I'm missing something others have found as a secret to losing the last few pounds and hope that weighing is my answer.0 -
I weigh most my food, but not as strict as before as I already hit my goal weight. I understand your POV, however, calorie dense foods should be a must if your goal is losing weight. Peanut Butter, Olive Oil, Cheese, Nuts, Avocados, etc. will get you if you don't weigh these things in the long run1
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snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
You're continuing to put words in my mouth and make (incorrect) assumptions. This may be how you approach disagreements or differences of opinion usually, but I find this isn't as productive as really trying to understand what someone means.
Why don't you focus less on me and explain your position that choosing to use a specific tool to meet a goal indicates that one doesn't know what one is doing and that one is afraid to venture beyond what they know?
OK, I did assume that you probably differ with me, which you had been doing along. Let's move on between us.
You're free to stop bringing me (and the false assumption you've made about me) up any time you'd like.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Thanks guys--I'm glad you could both see that. I'm 61 and very active, but have to fight to lose those lbs and still look fairly good. I like counting because my macros are essential now. How can you watch your macros without counting?
I do log periodically (as a sort of spot check) and when I first began eating low carb, I logged for a few weeks, mainly to get a sense of which foods I needed to watch out for. I never weighed or measured, just eyeballed, but I saw that if I focus on eating my fill of meat, eggs, and fibrous veggies (making that the majority of my diet), eating moderate amounts of whole dairy, seeds, and low sugar fruit (I can have those types of foods every day, but need to watch the amounts), and strictly limiting or avoiding grains, sugary fruit, and starchy veggies (I can eat those things in small amounts now and then) my macros are pretty close to where I want them. I get less than 80 g of carbs per day (usually closer to 50), at least 100g of fat per day (often as much as 120), and around 80g of protein per day. But, then, I mostly focus on keeping carbs low and trust that the rest will work itself out. As I get older (especially after menopause) I may need to pay more attention.
I don't think weighing and measuring means you "don't know how to drive" (let's not pretend that that comment wasn't meant to be derogatory). I think that some people, when they get turned around/lost can manage to find there way home without a map. Others need that map. It's always better to use the map, if you need it, than to wander aimlessly because you are too proud to use a map! (not directed at you, snowflake954, but at the poster who keeps implying that those of use who don't weigh/measure are somehow "better".... it's simply not so)
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endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
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BiggDaddy58 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I don't think it's really so much about something being 3.2 ounces vs 3.5 ounces...at least it wasn't for me. For me it was about logging 4 ounces of chicken because that's what the packaging said was a serving size...when in reality a whole chicken breast is more like 8 ounces so I was eating double. Other calorie dense things like nuts and nut butters, pasta, etc were also an issue for me.
I never weighed every little thing and really never weighed packaged items or made sure my V8 was exactly 11.5 ounces or anything like that...I just weighed certain items which I knew were potential pitfalls...mostly really calorie dense items.
Using a food scale taught me how to better estimate things visually, so I don't use it as much anymore.
Thank you and spot on! I was thinking this when I wrote the post and I'm sure I could have phrased it better..but whatever. At some point..can't you just get rid of the scale? If you have been at this awhile, had success..weighed numerous amounts of food..don't you have a pretty good idea of where you're at and how much food it really is?
Or is it a fear of gaining weight back? A fear of having your success tool taken away? I am just curious and this is a discussion board..and we're all in this for the long haul (I hope..or maybe not?)
FWIW, I think I will always weigh my food (and myself) regularly, not because I'm scared, but because it's easy to do. It takes me an extra 30 seconds at each meal to throw it on the scale and know I'm eating enough/not too much, and then I don't have to worry about not having enough energy to complete my workout or conversely, my clothes getting too tight. It's an absurdly simple way to keep tabs on my body and eliminates uncertainty, so why not do it? Estimating my portion vs tossing it on the scale isn't very time-consuming or difficult so to me, it makes sense. I CAN estimate pretty well at this point, particularly with foods I eat often, but why guess when I can know so easily?
I'm on the third year of maintaining an approximately 30 lb weight loss (short version: was always in the 130lb range, went back to uni and worked in a bar and gained about 15 lb thanks to crappy lifestyle choices, then lost down to about 118lb and have stayed there since.) I like my body as it is now so I take a couple minutes a day to make sure it stays that way. Also, I run 30-40 miles per week now and I need to make sure I'm getting enough calories to sustain that. I hate running when I'm not eating enough, I get so tired.5 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
...At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
...If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
I have trouble losing. I would love to lose whenever I want to!0 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Thanks guys--I'm glad you could both see that. I'm 61 and very active, but have to fight to lose those lbs and still look fairly good. I like counting because my macros are essential now. How can you watch your macros without counting?
Congratulations! How did you lose your last 10 pounds? How long did it take you? I feel like I'm missing something others have found as a secret to losing the last few pounds and hope that weighing is my answer.
I still have about 15lbs to lose. I'm not in a rush, and am losing fat--doing a recomp. I would like the secret too, but don't want to wind up wrinkley at the end. For 61 I'm looking good I think, and maybe some would say I'm not overweight. Everyone has to live with their own vision of themselves. Just be consistent--you'll make it. Good luck.0 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
Ah....I see. The basic "eat to live, not live to eat". Thanks for responding on this question. It was kind of you to elaborate on your method. I agree that it is simple, but perhaps not possible for everyone. Another question: do you exercise? I ask because it's easier to lose with your method without exercise. Exercise burns can be hard to coordinate when trying to lose.0 -
That is not simple.
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snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
Ah....I see. The basic "eat to live, not live to eat". Thanks for responding on this question. It was kind of you to elaborate on your method. I agree that it is simple, but perhaps not possible for everyone. Another question: do you exercise? I ask because it's easier to lose with your method without exercise. Exercise burns can be hard to coordinate when trying to lose.
Yes, I exercise voluntarily like most people. Specifically I play competitive sport and I can burn loads. It's not hard for me to coordinate. I have figured out the patterns (ie listen well) of my body.
I create and refine my approach which adheres to my lifestyle and philosophy. I take advantage of my traits (ocd, tendencies, willingness) and educational background (psychology, analytic skill).
Thanks for being objective and polite.
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endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
Ah....I see. The basic "eat to live, not live to eat". Thanks for responding on this question. It was kind of you to elaborate on your method. I agree that it is simple, but perhaps not possible for everyone. Another question: do you exercise? I ask because it's easier to lose with your method without exercise. Exercise burns can be hard to coordinate when trying to lose.
Yes, I exercise voluntarily like most people. Specifically I play competitive sport and I can burn loads. It's not hard for me to coordinate. I have figured out the patterns (ie listen well) of my body.
I create and refine my approach which adheres to my lifestyle and philosophy. I take advantage of my traits (ocd, tendencies, willingness) and educational background (psychology, analytic skill).
Thanks for being objective and polite.
Nice! Thanks, this explains it better.0 -
Now I know the "secret". I'm not 35 years old nor do I play competitive sports.2
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endlessfall16 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »jane, I'm not going to refute every off track analogy you brought up. The more we discuss, the more chances for jerks and detractors to chime in with irrelevant stuffs, name calling, etc. It's sad that we can't discuss objectively. I stand by my logic that when you said you have tried the not weighing approach and it didn't work so well, that means you don't know it, specially you don't know what the millions that do not weigh and succeed know. I think one poster (I assume in the counter camp) equates that (not weighing and succeeding) to having a magic wand.
What logic? There hasn't been a measurable amount of logic in a single one of your posts. I couldn't even eyeball the amount, there was so little of it.
You jump in out of nowhere .. .and think your post adds much value and logic to the debate?
For those who are genuinely interested, what I was debating with jane about was I liken her claim that she knows the not weighing approach but "it didn't work well" (her words) for her to something like..someone who said she knows how to drive but ends up with lots of crashes. So, to me that person doesn't really know how to drive. But jane probably begs to differ.
I imagine Jane knows how to drive--you're safe on the street. By the way, all your talk about "not knowing" how to lose without counting, has gotten me really curious. Care to put your money where your mouth is (or keyboard) and explain how you do it, and what success you've had--how much you've lost, are you at goal, etc.? All this talk has made me wonder....since you say there's no magic wand.
It's frighteningly simple. When I eat, I truly eat, enjoyably, satiately and when I "don't" eat, I eat light, mainly for nutrition. I call the latter phase "tuning out eating".
Obviously I put health first. I don't eat too much or too little to the point that makes me feel sick. Because I do both "phases" out of desires, it feels easy. In other words I don't eat while feeling I need to lose or while I am losing, I want to eat! No contradiction. The only small fluctuation is how long (1 week vs 2, 3 weeks) it might take to lose if I happen to have too many eating occasions.
At this point in time the desire to lose is more, thus I'm losing. If I happen to gain due to liking eating too much, so be it. But I know if I could drop all 26+ overweight lbs in 4 month time to be in normal bmi now, I could do that anytime, provided that my desire is there.
I don't adhere to 24 hr time frame. No need for daily moderation, saying no to friends, watching every little thing. No worry about constantly having to look for foods. I think there's another lady who said she hates having to find foods to eat.
If you could create such eating behaviors/patterns like I have, then you would lose. No magic wand.
I'm writing this out because I really don't want anyone reading your post and feeling like they're "doing it wrong." There are many, many reasons why people can't or don't want to create these behaviors.
First, your hunger signals seem to work well. If you've had a lot of calories the day before, your body doesn't fight you if you don't eat much the next day. Others do not have such reliable hunger signals, possibly from yo-yo dieting, from eating disorders, or becoming over/underweight because their hunger signals were never reliable to begin with. Others confuse the compulsion to eat with hunger, and when we're constantly surrounded by food, it can be difficult to turn off that compulsion. I do think intuitive eating and self-regulation is ideal. However, I don't think it's something that can be easily learned if you don't grow up doing it, and I think a lot of people would get frustrated trying to learn it and failing at it. That's why we have other methods.
Next, you're not attempting to lose weight on any sort of timeline. Most people do have timelines for some reason or another:
-Need to get weight off as fast as possible for health-related reasons
-Trying to get pregnant and can't until weight is lost
-Relative needs an organ donation, you're a match, can't donate until weight is lost
-Weigh-in for a military job
-Health insurance penalties
-Fitness competition
-Looking hot in a bikini during the summer
just to name a few. So the willy-nilly, "maybe I'll lose 1 lb in 3 weeks instead of 1 week" is not optimal for many people.
Daily moderation may help someone mentally much better. If someone uses up all their "treat" calories in one day and has to stick to a nutrient-dense diet the rest of the week, they may not enjoy it. Personal enjoyment of one's diet is going to be the #1 reason for adherence.
And this all ties in to possible reasons to use a scale - a scale helps someone with poor intuitive eating learn portion sizes. It helps someone on a stricter timeline meet their weight loss goals on time. It helps ensure the daily treat isn't blowing out the person's calories. Some people find using a scale helpful, so they do. Some find it necessary. Some find it useful for a time, but knowledge and good habits build and then they can let go of it.
There is nothing wrong or superior with your way of eating. There's nothing wrong or superior with not using a scale and finding other methods of exercising portion control. There's nothing wrong or superior with using a scale. These are all matters of personal preference that help individuals adhere to a healthy lifestyle. I have tried all of these and a couple of other tools, and I use the ones that work best for me.16 -
Totally agree. I've lost without weighing digitally1
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