You NEED to stop calorie counting and restricting!

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  • JaneSnowe
    JaneSnowe Posts: 1,283 Member
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    __Di__ wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    WHY DO I KEEP READING THIS EVERYWHERE ONLINE?

    Calorie counting on MFP has been a game changer for me and it's so irritating when people keep saying calories don't matter and you can eat as much as you want of "healthy" foods and still lose weight

    Thoughts??

    I want their definition of "healthy".

    If your body craves it...?
  • eringrace95_
    eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
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    also I can't find the calorie entry for it, dang it. actually i didn't look, it's probably in there somewhere.

    :D:D
  • Maria_Fatima
    Maria_Fatima Posts: 238 Member
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    If you're already thin, you could still gain weight by eating healthy foods if you go over your required intake. It's really just basic mathematics. You burn 3500 calories below those your body naturally burns, you lose a pound. You consume 3500 over what your body burns, you gain a pound.
    Of course it doesn't mean our calculations will give us the exact expected results. There's muscle weight, water retention, hormonal problems, etc. But generally, precisely, it's all about calories.
    In fact there was a recent study where the researcher himself was the subject. For 6 months, he ate ALL SORTS of junk food but lowered his daily calorie intake. he lost weight.
    Yes, of course, eating healthy is important for a lot of reasons- having sufficient nutrients, reducing risk of diseases, having better functioning, living longer, having a general healthier life, etc. But weight loss is just one element of fitness and it's affected by a single element- calories.
  • eringrace95_
    eringrace95_ Posts: 296 Member
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    If you're already thin, you could still gain weight by eating healthy foods if you go over your required intake. It's really just basic mathematics. You burn 3500 calories below those your body naturally burns, you lose a pound. You consume 3500 over what your body burns, you gain a pound.
    Of course it doesn't mean our calculations will give us the exact expected results. There's muscle weight, water retention, hormonal problems, etc. But generally, precisely, it's all about calories.
    In fact there was a recent study where the researcher himself was the subject. For 6 months, he ate ALL SORTS of junk food but lowered his daily calorie intake. he lost weight.
    Yes, of course, eating healthy is important for a lot of reasons- having sufficient nutrients, reducing risk of diseases, having better functioning, living longer, having a general healthier life, etc. But weight loss is just one element of fitness and it's affected by a single element- calories.

    Amen!!
  • gonetothedogs19
    gonetothedogs19 Posts: 325 Member
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    MissusMoon wrote: »
    Here's a guy who ate a huge caloric surplus (high fat, little carb) for a month, and didn't gain weight. How can that be?

    Summary: "Here is a difference between overeating and overeating.

    When eating bad carbohydrates it’s easy to gain weight quickly. You’ll get plenty of the fat-storing hormone insulin in your blood.

    It’s generally hard to gain weight on an LCHF diet. It’s even difficult to eat too much food, as you then usually have to eat more than you want. Even if you force down large amounts of LCHF-food, against your will, the result is usually as it was for Feltham. It’s a constant struggle and weight gain will likely be modest.

    Overweight people eating as much as they want on an LCHF diet will typically lose weight."

    http://thehealthhelp.co/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet/

    The claims in this link are just that: claims. Unless this person is working out enough to maintain they are not consuming that much without gaining weight. No one can defy science.

    I was eating LCHF and it got me to Obese II. Meats, cheeses, nuts, avocados. Very little refined sugar, and flour and rice products were an extreme rarity.

    The "science" this dude spouts is woo. Nutritionally speaking a calorie is not a calorie. But with weight, your body processes a calorie from any source the same way. It is an EXCESS of anything that causes fat storage. There are a lot of articles and such. There is no solid science unless you are talking about a few very specific health issues.

    TL;DR version: Subject of the article is not being honest.

    Well if you want to believe that eating 1,500 calories of donuts for six months (yes, I know nobody is recommending that) or 1,500 calories of mostly healthy food for six months will result in the same weight loss, be my guest.

    Here is one of thousands of articles that says you are absolutely wrong. And he's not selling anything.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/fed-up-asks-are-all-calories-equal/

    Um...actually if you ate 1500 calories of just donuts a day and it's lower than your weight threshold then, yes, you will lose weight.

    But you'll also suffer from extreme malnutrition from not eating the right foods

    Calorie in calorie out.

    A calorie is a calorie

    Sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a dated notion. Our bodies are not simple bunsen burners.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,725 Member
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    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    People can lose weight differently. Some lucky folks have the metabolism to do so. Some people say it don't matter what you eat, as looking as you work it off. However, you just can't go wrong with calories counting. Maybe tough at times but now that I think about, it's probably the most simple thing to do. I'd die if I had to work everything I WANT to eat off. Lol.

    My sister is one of the "lucky" ones she can eat whatever she wants but she stays a stick, it's not sustainable though her metabolism will slow as she gets older and she's going to start gaining if she doesn't start eating at maintenance instead of a surplus

    She doesn't eat at surplus, she eats at maintanece now. She is not lucky unless she is tall. Her maintenance will go down as she gets older.

    I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe as she eats actual crap and never exercises...she's around 5"5? Or 5"6? She just has an extremely thin body type

    You can eat crap and still eat at maintenance. She might not excerise but she may be active in her day to day life.

    I assure you she isn't lol. She's a high school student who sits 8 hours a day and does 0 exercise at home. I understand that you can eat crap and still be at maintenance.

    Suuuuuuure your sweet high school sibling is sedentary all the time :D
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,943 Member
    edited June 2016
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    lcorral31 wrote: »
    You do what works for you. But yes its not necessary to count calories, if you are eating the right foods and working out on a daily basis, especially if you're weight training.

    Not accurate.

    You can eat all the right foods and work out on a daily basis and still gain weight if you eat too much.

    Eat at a calorie deficit without literally counting calories and you will lose weight eating whatever you want and not working out at all if you don't want to. ;)
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,943 Member
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    psulemon wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    People can lose weight differently. Some lucky folks have the metabolism to do so. Some people say it don't matter what you eat, as looking as you work it off. However, you just can't go wrong with calories counting. Maybe tough at times but now that I think about, it's probably the most simple thing to do. I'd die if I had to work everything I WANT to eat off. Lol.

    My sister is one of the "lucky" ones she can eat whatever she wants but she stays a stick, it's not sustainable though her metabolism will slow as she gets older and she's going to start gaining if she doesn't start eating at maintenance instead of a surplus

    She doesn't eat at surplus, she eats at maintanece now. She is not lucky unless she is tall. Her maintenance will go down as she gets older.

    I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe as she eats actual crap and never exercises...she's around 5"5? Or 5"6? She just has an extremely thin body type

    You can eat crap and still eat at maintenance. She might not excerise but she may be active in her day to day life.

    I assure you she isn't lol. She's a high school student who sits 8 hours a day and does 0 exercise at home. I understand that you can eat crap and still be at maintenance.

    She's in high school. People don't stop maturing until into their twenties. She likely needs extra energy for growth.

    Do you live with her? Are you by her side 24/7? If not, it's likely she doesn't eat that way all the time.

    That's literally what I said in my first post! Lol. I mentioned her metabolism would slow as she got older and it would catch up with her.

    Yes I live with her

    You also said that she is eating a surplus when she is maintaining her weight. Another poster and I were just telling you that if she is maintaining her weight, she is not eating a surplus.

    I posted that to give you a few reasons as to why it may seem like she eats at a surplus.

    I was just assuming based on the way she eats and her lack of an active lifestyle that she was. I have no idea for certain because unlike me she doesn't count calories lol

    I'm late to the conversations, but just about the only time someone would lose weight eating at a surplus is if they have some medical issue that needs immediate attention. Hyperthyroidism comes to mind, as does cancer.

    Other than those medical issues, whatever your weight is doing is supported by whether you eat too much, too little, or just about right.

    You may not literally be counting calories but, setting aside those medical conditions, a deficit is 100% required to lose weight. ;)

    People with hypertyrodism have extremely have metabolisms. They still need to est in a surplus to gain but its really hard. One guy on this forum had it and has to eat 6k calories to gain.

    This happened with a friend too. She was eating loads of calories and losing weight due to hyperthyroidism.
  • DebSozo
    DebSozo Posts: 2,578 Member
    edited June 2016
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    SLLRunner wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    SLLRunner wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    Etsar73 wrote: »
    ErinSot wrote: »
    People can lose weight differently. Some lucky folks have the metabolism to do so. Some people say it don't matter what you eat, as looking as you work it off. However, you just can't go wrong with calories counting. Maybe tough at times but now that I think about, it's probably the most simple thing to do. I'd die if I had to work everything I WANT to eat off. Lol.

    My sister is one of the "lucky" ones she can eat whatever she wants but she stays a stick, it's not sustainable though her metabolism will slow as she gets older and she's going to start gaining if she doesn't start eating at maintenance instead of a surplus

    She doesn't eat at surplus, she eats at maintanece now. She is not lucky unless she is tall. Her maintenance will go down as she gets older.

    I find that INCREDIBLY hard to believe as she eats actual crap and never exercises...she's around 5"5? Or 5"6? She just has an extremely thin body type

    You can eat crap and still eat at maintenance. She might not excerise but she may be active in her day to day life.

    I assure you she isn't lol. She's a high school student who sits 8 hours a day and does 0 exercise at home. I understand that you can eat crap and still be at maintenance.

    She's in high school. People don't stop maturing until into their twenties. She likely needs extra energy for growth.

    Do you live with her? Are you by her side 24/7? If not, it's likely she doesn't eat that way all the time.

    That's literally what I said in my first post! Lol. I mentioned her metabolism would slow as she got older and it would catch up with her.

    Yes I live with her

    You also said that she is eating a surplus when she is maintaining her weight. Another poster and I were just telling you that if she is maintaining her weight, she is not eating a surplus.

    I posted that to give you a few reasons as to why it may seem like she eats at a surplus.

    I was just assuming based on the way she eats and her lack of an active lifestyle that she was. I have no idea for certain because unlike me she doesn't count calories lol

    I'm late to the conversations, but just about the only time someone would lose weight eating at a surplus is if they have some medical issue that needs immediate attention. Hyperthyroidism comes to mind, as does cancer.

    Other than those medical issues, whatever your weight is doing is supported by whether you eat too much, too little, or just about right.

    You may not literally be counting calories but, setting aside those medical conditions, a deficit is 100% required to lose weight. ;)

    People with hypertyrodism have extremely have metabolisms. They still need to est in a surplus to gain but its really hard. One guy on this forum had it and has to eat 6k calories to gain.

    This happened with a friend too. She was eating loads of calories and losing weight due to hyperthyroidism.

    This goes to prove that hormones do impact CICO efficiency. Insulin is another hormone that can cause weight gain if the body becomes resistant to it. Growth hormones impact weight loss as well. Perhaps some teenagers can burn more calories without gaining is due to growth hormones?

    In many people's minds on these threads is the idea that CICO is simple math. HOWEVER, when you add variables it changes the outcome (like an algebra problem).

    Pregnancy sometimes impact weight gain and loss (hormones). Lack of sleep, high ongoing stress, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, etc... the list could go on. Menopause, aging, depression, amongst others impact the metabolism due to hormones.

    It is not always CICO by simple addition and subtraction. Of course if one could figure out the formula including the variables one could come up with an equation.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    JaneSnowe wrote: »
    MissusMoon wrote: »
    Here's a guy who ate a huge caloric surplus (high fat, little carb) for a month, and didn't gain weight. How can that be?

    Summary: "Here is a difference between overeating and overeating.

    When eating bad carbohydrates it’s easy to gain weight quickly. You’ll get plenty of the fat-storing hormone insulin in your blood.

    It’s generally hard to gain weight on an LCHF diet. It’s even difficult to eat too much food, as you then usually have to eat more than you want. Even if you force down large amounts of LCHF-food, against your will, the result is usually as it was for Feltham. It’s a constant struggle and weight gain will likely be modest.

    Overweight people eating as much as they want on an LCHF diet will typically lose weight."

    http://thehealthhelp.co/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet/

    The claims in this link are just that: claims. Unless this person is working out enough to maintain they are not consuming that much without gaining weight. No one can defy science.

    I was eating LCHF and it got me to Obese II. Meats, cheeses, nuts, avocados. Very little refined sugar, and flour and rice products were an extreme rarity.

    The "science" this dude spouts is woo. Nutritionally speaking a calorie is not a calorie. But with weight, your body processes a calorie from any source the same way. It is an EXCESS of anything that causes fat storage. There are a lot of articles and such. There is no solid science unless you are talking about a few very specific health issues.

    TL;DR version: Subject of the article is not being honest.

    Well if you want to believe that eating 1,500 calories of donuts for six months (yes, I know nobody is recommending that) or 1,500 calories of mostly healthy food for six months will result in the same weight loss, be my guest.

    Here is one of thousands of articles that says you are absolutely wrong. And he's not selling anything.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/fed-up-asks-are-all-calories-equal/

    Um...actually if you ate 1500 calories of just donuts a day and it's lower than your weight threshold then, yes, you will lose weight.

    But you'll also suffer from extreme malnutrition from not eating the right foods

    Calorie in calorie out.

    A calorie is a calorie

    Sorry, but a calorie is a calorie is a dated notion. Our bodies are not simple bunsen burners.

    https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/

    Did you see my rebuttal to this in the other thread on page 3 of this very same thread?

    I hate repeating myself too.

    Maybe if I write in bold they will actually read it?

    There was convincing evidence that energy balance is critical to maintaining healthy body weight and
    ensuring optimal nutrient intakes, regardless of macronutrient distribution of energy as % total fat and
    % total carbohydrates.


    http://foris.fao.org/preview/25553-0ece4cb94ac52f9a25af77ca5cfba7a8c.pdf