"Starvation Mode" and How to Fix
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singingflutelady wrote: »T nation is geared towards juiced lifters and is full of bioscience.
Not everybody on there juices. It does appear that way at first, but you just have to get past the cover of it all. Bioscience is one of their ways of making money like MFP uses ads, merchandise, and the premium subscription or whatever it's called. Yes they do implement one of their products every now and then in their articles, but they offer other ways of dealing with whatever the topic is besides a supplement.0 -
beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
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beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.13 -
MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
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beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....1 -
suzyjane1972 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....
He has a bachelors of science in Biochemistry and a doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine. I think I'll pass. Not the guy I'm taking medical advice from, sorry.4 -
beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually he's only legally qualified to practice medicine in 17 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The standards of being a qualified doctor, aren't determined by standards set by us, they're determined by the Federation of State Medical Boards and the National Board of Medical Examiners. ND's don't attend the same medical schools as MD's (they don't even have to take the MCATs). They also don't have to complete a medical residency. Just because their certifications are kind of similar doesn't mean that one is qualified to do the other's job.
We're not saying you shouldn't listen to this guy because he's not qualified, we're saying you shouldn't listen to him because his ideas are flawed. Many people have presented you with contradicting and correcting information, but you refuse to believe it. Honestly believe what you want to believe, but don't get mad when we disagree.5 -
Thermogenic adaptation, metabolic adaptation; 'starvation mode' stems from those concepts - don't know why people so vehemently deny the colloquial term. Hm. Oh well1
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beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.0 -
beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Does anyone REALLY know the answer to that question? (why they are eating so much) I mean, is it laziness? Desire? unwillingness to change or commit? Have you watched someone as they devour pizza (or fill in the blank) and they get this glazed look and continue to eat long after they should be full? Sometimes it's simple, you just didn't realize HOW MANY calories you were eating until you counted and saw what "normal" was. Others have simply given up or don't have the connection between the brain and the stomach (I STILL struggle daily with that).5 -
beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Nor is telling them "cos starvation mode".11 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »suzyjane1972 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....
He has a bachelors of science in Biochemistry and a doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine. I think I'll pass. Not the guy I'm taking medical advice from, sorry.
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stevencloser wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »suzyjane1972 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....
He has a bachelors of science in Biochemistry and a doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine. I think I'll pass. Not the guy I'm taking medical advice from, sorry.
Why are doctorates in naturopathy even a thing?
Because people like the author of the article referenced in the OP will pay good money for the ability to call themselves a "doctor."4 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »suzyjane1972 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....
He has a bachelors of science in Biochemistry and a doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine. I think I'll pass. Not the guy I'm taking medical advice from, sorry.
Why are doctorates in naturopathy even a thing?
I have a relative who has a doctorate in something like 18th century French fashion. So she has the title of "doctor" too. It means about as much to me as an ND, medically speaking.3 -
MissusMoon wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »suzyjane1972 wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »MissusMoon wrote: »It's not just his bias. As a naturepath, he's not a physician. He is not a medical doctor, and he believes in some silly things as pointed out by others.
He actually states. "I'm an integrative physician." As you know a physician is someone who is legally qualified to practice medicine. In his case he practices naturopathic medicine. He is an integrative physician specializing in natural health, fitness and body transformation. What kind of doctor would you want for this type of issue? I find it funny how everyone seems to think I shouldn't listen to what this doctor says because they say so with no references to contradict the issue or qualifications to correct it otherwise, but the author who is more than qualified as a practicing physician in this field of study is supposedly not qualified because he's not a "medical doctor" by whatever standards that means to you.
Actually no he doesn't have to be an md to class himself as a physician....its misleading. He doesn't state he's an md just a doctor.....
He has a bachelors of science in Biochemistry and a doctorate in Naturopathic Medicine. I think I'll pass. Not the guy I'm taking medical advice from, sorry.
Why are doctorates in naturopathy even a thing?
I have a relative who has a doctorate in something like 18th century French fashion. So she has the title of "doctor" too. It means about as much to me as an ND, medically speaking.
WHAT DID NORTH DAKOTA EVER DO TO YOU?!?!?!
So, I read the article, and it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. And some of the information is often said here, just not in reference to "shades of starvation mode".
The first stage seems like people are feeling sluggish; people often tell them to eat more and move more. If you're cutting too hard, you could lose energy, so I could see this one (although I think the move more needs to be couched in assess what you're doing and make sure you're in a moderate deficit based on your caloric needs).
The second one seems to address diet breaks (sort of), but I think having a higher calorie goal (plus more exercise) every 2-3 weeks is kind of odd. Rest days are important, and many people find diet breaks useful (especially mentally), but in theory eating more and exercising more maintains the same deficit, so I don't know that I get the point? And that's a very frequent cycle. Ugh; so much change.
And the "final stage" recommendation of eat less, move less doesn't make sense to me either. (Again unless this is couched in take a break from exercise and eat at a small deficit.) If that isn't what they mean, I don't understand how dropping your calories even further would help you "recover".0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Nor is telling them "cos starvation mode".
That is true. What is YOUR point? You say, "Eating too much". But there are reasons why that you are ignoring.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Nor is telling them "cos starvation mode".
That is true. What is YOUR point? You say, "Eating too much". But there are reasons why that you are ignoring.
What reasons do you think are being ignored?0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Nor is telling them "cos starvation mode".
That is true. What is YOUR point? You say, "Eating too much". But there are reasons why that you are ignoring.
I've seen you say similar things in other threads and I'm always left wondering what I am ignoring?
Would you mind elaborating? What other factors cause people to overeat, and what can be done to help them?5 -
Thermogenic adaptation, metabolic adaptation; 'starvation mode' stems from those concepts - don't know why people so vehemently deny the colloquial term. Hm. Oh well
Because most people who talk about "starvation mode" don't mean it in a way that equates to thermogenic or metabolic adaptation. They believe that eating too little causes them to gain weight, which is a total myth.5 -
beatyfamily1 wrote: »I'm sorry, but one article on t-nation.com by someone with "Dr." before their name doesn't make something real.
Dr. Jade Teta is a naturapath who makes a living selling books, workout programs, and training through his weight loss company whose primary message is "fixing" metabolic problems. In other words, he is far from an unbiased author.
Adaptive thermogenesis is a real thing, but it's not something the average dieter needs to worry about. If you severely restrict calories over a very long period of time, your metabolism will slow down over time. But we are talking about a large deficit over a long period of time with no breaks. That's why if you have a lot of weight to lose that will take years to complete, it is recommended that you take a couple of weeks every 3 or 4 months and eat at maintenance. But even though it's a real thing, it won't stop you from losing weight, it just slows it down a little. Otherwise anorexics, people who go on hunger fasts, starving people in war-torn countries wouldn't get to the point where they were skin and bones, they would just get sluggish wouldn't they?
That's the point of the article. I think people automatically get defensive because of the words "starvation mode" when in fact the article is talking about the different levels of metabolic damage and if you do have metabolic damage there's ways to fix it depending on what level you are in. Obviously, this article doesn't apply to everyone. Everyone knows you can still lose weight if you are on a really low calorie diet. It may not be healthy, but it's still possible. You can't argue the fact people do hit plateaus. What cause their plateau could be a variety of reasons. What is the number on stated phrase on here? Weight loss is not linear. For most people it's likely they are eating too many calories. The metabolic rate will slow down as you lose weight and will take much more to continue losing at the same rate because the body does not burn as many calories as it did when at a much higher weight. The smaller the body, the less energy it takes to operate. There are people out there that do have metabolic damage, but may not know it. I personally did experience something like this. I don't know if it was actually metabolic damage, but when I stopped losing weight I took a break because I was actually hungrier than before I started losing weight. Then I got back on to my routine and weight loss jump started again. This was way before I came across this article. For me it explained something that I couldn't explain. I thought it was an interesting read. People can do with it what they want.
As far as the biased author, I personally don't feel selling other products for income devalues his opinion. Personal trainers, nutritionists, and even medical doctors do it. It doesn't mean his opinion is worthless. If he did not have the references he stated in the article then I would question it. I personally thought it was a valid article. He is a integrative physician. This is what he does: he practices healing oriented medicine that includes both alternative as well as conventional medicine.
I would respectfully disagree, that's not the point of the article. The point of the article is to convince anyone who's having trouble losing weight that they have experienced metabolic damage so they will then buy his book. When the real problem is something much more simple, like they are eating too much.
Why are they eating so much? What drives the desire and need to consume extra calories than needed? Casually pointing out that people who have trouble losing weight "are eating too much" isn't helping people identify why.
Isn't it the person herself (or himself) who can identify why? Sure, research into such things as environmental factors or what foods are more satisfying, on average (as this varies), and hormonal factors are all good things to know and supplement your understanding with, but there is no one-size-fits-all reason why a particular person is eating more than he or she should. That's why the most important thing is to admit that's the case and then think through why it is and come up with a plan that fits you. Starvation mode as typically understood (as well as Teta's theories, to some degree, although he also says some thing I agree with) seem designed to allow people to avoid the acknowledgement that they are indeed eating too much -- to claim, as I've amazingly seen lots of people do on MFP over my time here, that they got fat because they just eat too little and struggle to eat more.2
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