Finally found something that works
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I don't know, but if you're on this blog, you're not training world class athletes.0 -
Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...
oh ok so you are undermining my masters because i dont have a doctorate... which with a simple google search nothing came up about this person having a doctorate.4 -
Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.
and it can come from other things too. There are cultures thar have survided for a long time on grains... way before you were a twinkle in your mothers eye and waaaaay before paleo/primal/ blah blah was ever invented.
Wait, there are other cultures? Food habits that include eating grains existed before the US food pyramid?!
psshh no! civilization started with America DUH!4 -
Also, there's more than sugar to worry about in candy. I'd be worried more about the processed chemicals they put in there.
Also, explain why obesity rates have increased since the government put grains on that awful food pyramid.
But when I was 130 lbs overweight I wasn't following the food pyramid. I was eating excessive amounts of all foods. Who really has gotten obese by following the food pyramid & its portion recommendations?
Since you're interested in scientific research and data, Alan Aragon is exceptional. I also like Brad Schoenfeld, Eric Helms & Layne Norton as well.4 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?11
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This thread is getting out of hand. I'm going to backtrack a little. I'm not selling anything here. I simply stated what I've found and have directed people to those channels where they can do their own research. I hold no liability for others actions. I don't claim to know everything about this. But based on how my body has reacted to this new way of living I am trying to spread the word. I'm not going to debate people on effective weight loss methods. No one is going to change my mind about this.5
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Don't worry about what everyone says. Everyone responds differently to different techniques. I find that if I eat one piece of fruit a day I will loose, but 2 and I wont. Everyone here would debate that and say it must be because I am eating too many calories, but I know what I eat, and what my body likes, so listen to your body. I am glad that you found something that works for you!3
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I'm going to spread the word about ancient grains like barley, farro, bulgur, spelt, amaranth.
They do not cause inflammation of the body. If they do. I need to a link.
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It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
Who's angry? All anyone is doing is dispelling the misinformation. When someone comes on and says cutting out micro xxxxx is the key to weight loss, posters are going to say congrats on your accomplishments, but cutting a macro out isn't the key to weight loss.8 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
Who's angry? All anyone is doing is dispelling the misinformation. When someone comes on and says cutting out micro xxxxx is the key to weight loss, posters are going to say congrats on your accomplishments, but cutting a macro out isn't the key to weight loss.
Sugars and grains are not macros. Carbs are, and those can easily be consumed from fruits and veggies. It's not a no carb diet. It's finding your carbs from more natural foods2 -
Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.
I'm a little confused. I thought you were eating NO SUGAR. If you are eating fruits and veggies, you're eating sugar.
It's great you found something that works for you, but there are many traditional cultures around the world with low rates of obesity and disease and lots of people living healthily to old age that eat grain based diets, so it's for sure not a requirement for good health.9 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
All I see in this post is someone who is a bit confused on what CICO is.10 -
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It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
Who's angry? All anyone is doing is dispelling the misinformation. When someone comes on and says cutting out micro xxxxx is the key to weight loss, posters are going to say congrats on your accomplishments, but cutting a macro out isn't the key to weight loss.
Sugars and grains are not macros. Carbs are, and those can easily be consumed from fruits and veggies. It's not a no carb diet. It's finding your carbs from more natural foods
As yes, thank you for that. That's what I get for using my copy and paste answer I hold onto for threads like this. Please, let me extrapolate.
Who's angry? All anyone is doing is dispelling the misinformation. When someone comes on and says cutting out xxxxx (in this case sugar...yes the same sugar you can find in fruit and grains) is the key to weight loss, posters are going to say congrats on your accomplishments, but cutting xxxx (in this case sugar...yes the same sugar you can find in fruit and grains) out isn't the key to weight loss.
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The problem happens when someone like the OP makes a statement like "I've found the key". This is much different than saying "I've found something that works for me". Talking about "the key" is going to ruffle feathers because it implies that what other people are doing is not "the key" and calls their approach into question. If you don't want to see threads like this get derailed so often, stop making absolute truth claims. And if you do enjoy making statements that get threads derailed here -- well, that's sort of the definition of internet trolling, isn't it?24
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The problem happens when someone like the OP makes a statement like "I've found the key". This is much different than saying "I've found something that works for me". Talking about "the key" is going to ruffle feathers because it implies that what other people are doing is not "the key" and calls their approach into question. If you don't want to see threads like this get derailed so often, stop making absolute truth claims. And if you do enjoy making statements that get threads derailed here -- well, that's sort of the definition of internet trolling, isn't it?
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After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!5 -
Don't care0 -
Don't care
Then why bring it up?
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It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
All I see in this post is someone who is a bit confused on what CICO is.
Guessing calories in / calories out
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After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.15 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
All I see in this post is someone who is a bit confused on what CICO is.
Guessing calories in / calories out
Yes, that's what CICO stands for.
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janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.-2 -
After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Not at all restrictive? I don't think you understand what a restrictive diet is, because the diet that OP mentioned is a textbook example of a restrictive diet. I clearly said in my original post that if OP wants to go with his diet, that I wish him good luck, but there are better ways to go about it.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.
As you sound like a reasonable and well rounded sort of fellow, can I just ask again for the links to the studies I asked about further up in the thread.
I can only assume you missed the post.There's also a lot of research about how sugars and grains create an inflammatory response in the body, making the body more suseptable to sickness, diseases, and ailments. Also about how a diet can turn on switches in our DNA and turn our bodies into fat burning machines. Check out the books I mentioned before and the Joe Rogan Podcast, it will open your eyes to the Huge amount of benefits.
Links to research showing that the consumption of sugars and grains within the confines of a correctly balanced calorific, macro, and micronutritional dietary intake creates an inflammatory response in the body, making the body more suseptable to sickness, diseases, and ailments, please.
Links to research showing "DNA switches" and how diet can influence DNA, influence a human being on a genetic level, or have a bearing on the human genome, please.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.
Well, you're a charming one.7 -
After 30 days, it doesn't feel restrictive, it feels liberating. And it is very practical for a person who wants to lead a healthy lifestyle.
And what is more effective?
Anyone can stick to any diet for 30 days, that's pretty meaningless honestly. When you've gone a year without eating any grain or any sugar let me know. I won't hold my breath...5
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