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itsthehumidity wrote: »Joe Rogan's an intelligent comedian. He is not a credible source of information regarding diet and nutrition. Neither are you.
If the restriction of something (in your case, sugar and grains) works for you, then do it. That's your business. What's not your business is telling others that this method is the key. It's not. At best it's an indirect method of reducing calories consumed, while missing the big picture, and at worst it's a method that will lead many to binge after succumbing to cravings and end up worse than when they started.
Sugar appears to be coming back as the Restriction Du Jour, perhaps dethroning gluten after a long and prosperous reign. Sugar is in a lot of foods, and our brains need a steady stream of glucose to function. The sugar in fruits, fructose, gets converted in the liver to glucose and some other things we need. Long and complicated story made short, sugar is not the enemy and it's not something to be avoided.
The key, of course, is balance (not NSNG). Sugar shouldn't be avoided, nor should it be consumed in excess. The same goes for fat, for carbohydrates, for saturated fat, for water, for oxygen, and on and on. When you walk the path of balance, you'll see for yourself how misguided these extreme notions are, and how they don't serve you as well as they claim. You'll start to understand that you can have ice cream here and there, and Twix, and Oreos, and pizza, and all the foods people who don't know any better label as "bad" (in moderation) while steadily losing fat.
You may have been "into reading and practicing fitness and nutrition for the past 15 years" but you have much more to learn.
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yea this pretty much sums it up...
If restricting works for you then yes! that is wonderful you found a productive way to be your own version of healthy. HOWEVER it is not the key, especially to the average healthy adult. Diabetes and other insulin issues thats another topic for another time. 30 days it quite the accomplishment to stick to a restrictive diet so you should be proud. I persoanlly would rather die then live my entire life with out the following... Crusty artisan bread like baguettes, pizza, pasta, donuts, flour to bake with, cookies, cereal, oats, candy, rice (risotto, fried rice, sticky rice) ect ect. Could i do it for a while yea anyone can do anything.... is it vital for weightless or health HELL NO.7 -
Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.0
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Also, there's more than sugar to worry about in candy. I'd be worried more about the processed chemicals they put in there.
Also, explain why obesity rates have increased since the government put grains on that awful food pyramid.1 -
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Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.
and it can come from other things too. There are cultures thar have survided for a long time on grains... way before you were a twinkle in your mothers eye and waaaaay before paleo/primal/ blah blah was ever invented.8 -
Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.
and it can come from other things too. There are cultures thar have survided for a long time on grains... way before you were a twinkle in your mothers eye and waaaaay before paleo/primal/ blah blah was ever invented.
Wait, there are other cultures? Food habits that include eating grains existed before the US food pyramid?!9 -
i hate to have to always throw this around but hey I have a Masters Degree in Nutirtion. Which is more knowledge and reaearch you have and WAY more then Mark Sisson who wrote that back. Paleo, primal, vegan, or even a regualr ol eat everything diet is A PERSONAL CHOICE. They are NOT vital to health and wellness.11 -
Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...0
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I don't know, but if you're on this blog, you're not training world class athletes.0 -
Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...
oh ok so you are undermining my masters because i dont have a doctorate... which with a simple google search nothing came up about this person having a doctorate.4 -
Joe Rogan wasn't supplying the information. The author of the primal blueprint was. The glucose your body needs can derived from fruits and veggies alone.
and it can come from other things too. There are cultures thar have survided for a long time on grains... way before you were a twinkle in your mothers eye and waaaaay before paleo/primal/ blah blah was ever invented.
Wait, there are other cultures? Food habits that include eating grains existed before the US food pyramid?!
psshh no! civilization started with America DUH!4 -
Also, there's more than sugar to worry about in candy. I'd be worried more about the processed chemicals they put in there.
Also, explain why obesity rates have increased since the government put grains on that awful food pyramid.
But when I was 130 lbs overweight I wasn't following the food pyramid. I was eating excessive amounts of all foods. Who really has gotten obese by following the food pyramid & its portion recommendations?
Since you're interested in scientific research and data, Alan Aragon is exceptional. I also like Brad Schoenfeld, Eric Helms & Layne Norton as well.4 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?11
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This thread is getting out of hand. I'm going to backtrack a little. I'm not selling anything here. I simply stated what I've found and have directed people to those channels where they can do their own research. I hold no liability for others actions. I don't claim to know everything about this. But based on how my body has reacted to this new way of living I am trying to spread the word. I'm not going to debate people on effective weight loss methods. No one is going to change my mind about this.5
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Don't worry about what everyone says. Everyone responds differently to different techniques. I find that if I eat one piece of fruit a day I will loose, but 2 and I wont. Everyone here would debate that and say it must be because I am eating too many calories, but I know what I eat, and what my body likes, so listen to your body. I am glad that you found something that works for you!3
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I'm going to spread the word about ancient grains like barley, farro, bulgur, spelt, amaranth.
They do not cause inflammation of the body. If they do. I need to a link.
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