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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »
Well that's debatable. First Nation and Inuit people don't consume a lot of sugar and they deal with a lot of health issue and shorter life spans.FunkyTobias wrote: »Correcting your misinformation isn't trolling.
The people that say it doesn't matter what you eat all the matter is the calories are the ones spreading misinformation. That is exactly the message the world has gotten for the last few decades and all it has resulted in is more obesity.
It matters if you get your sugar form fruit or from a soft drink. It might not make a difference to your calculations but it makes a difference to your liver. In the long run that is what matters. If though it takes decades for sugar to kill doesn't mean that it isn't doing harm.
I boggles my mind the misinformation being spread and then hiding behind CICO. I see some posters actually talking about it reasonably but they are few. Sure it can and does often work, but there are also a lot of other outcomes than just burning fat. Claiming that a calorie deficit always results in fat loss doesn't make it true.
For the record I actually had to study thermodynamics and pass to get my engineering degree. That was a few decades ago, but thermodynamics hasn't changed. Most people talking about the laws of thermodynamics haven't even ever studied thermodynamics.
There are no storage of theories about what is going on with obesity and how to fix it. For working towards improving health CICO can be a useful tool. However one has to realize that not all the foods are treated the same in the body. Claiming that is the case is blatant misinformation.
You watch too many fear mongering movies and read too many blogs...
You have no idea of what I'm doing. I'm not into any form of fear mongering, claiming that is absurd.
From everything I can find there eating fruit is generally protective and good for you. Fructose is bad but when eaten with fruit it isn't harmful but it can be harmful in highly processed food.
So what part of cutting back on added sugars being good is fear mongering? What part of saying it is more important as to what you eat instead of just watching the calories is fear mongering?
This is fear mongering...
"It matters if you get your sugar form fruit or from a soft drink. It might not make a difference to your calculations but it makes a difference to your liver. In the long run that is what matters. If though it takes decades for sugar to kill doesn't mean that it isn't doing harm..."
I do not expect you to understand which I'm fine with. You are what yo are just as I am what I am.
There are multiple studies that have verified sweeten beverages can quickly lead to fatty liver disease, so far I haven't seen any that showed that was an issue with eating fruit. There isn't any fear mongering there. Lots of people reacted the same way to health issues with tobacco and lots of people still smoke and chew tobacco. The warnings are there and it isn't fear mongering.
Drink your sugar if you want too, that is your choice. Just don't be surprised when you are called out for supporting an unhealthy choice.
Read between the lines, what he is really saying is, "Kill your self if you want too..."
Funny.
Reading between the lines of your post say you just enjoy being a jerk. Trying to kill yourself with sugar would be very slow and give a prolonged miserable existence before you succeeded. However just because it isn't a good way to kill yourself doesn't mean it is healthly. No one dies from not having refined sugar in their diet.
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To be fair, neither of those populations get a lot of preventative or even curative medicine in their daily lives either.
It is also interesting that those groups are often held up of examples showing how natural a ketosis based diet is. That also doesn't have much to do with fruit.
They shouldn't be, as the evidence is they aren't in ketosis.2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'm curious to know why y'all are prolonging this thread, when it's glaringly obvious that neither side is going to back down or take the other seriously? And please don't say you're doing it for the lurkers..
Because it is both entertaining and hilarious to see just how many topics can be crammed into one little post.
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sugar is sugar as long as u get it from healthy source u are good0
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I eat quite a bit of fruit daily and it doesn't really give me an issue, just make sure you are logging it and fitting it into your calorie goals for the day if you are worried about it.0
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I am removing my comment, (cant seem to find the delete button) but i see this thread went off the rails a while ago. I'll try another one.
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So maybe this is the wrong 'sugar' thread to ask, but it's the first one to come up on my line of sight.
My question is this: how do I differentiate the two different types of sugars, or is all of it bad and still need to stay under the 26g a day limit, which, btw is hard as heck! I am usually double that by the end of the day. MFP doesn't seem to separate it out.
(26 grams of sugar is the suggested allotment of grams of sugar per day for women).
If I eat a piece of fruit (let's say granny smith apple) it has 17g of sugar in it. But an apple isnt "bad" for you. Now, if i ate some candy that also had 17g of sugar in it, that would be bad, because of it being a processed sugar, correct?
MFP's goal is 15% of total calories, so should not be 26 g, period.
The 26 g goal is based on something like 5% of maintenance calories (percentage is better than grams -- the gram numbers are always just efforts to convert a recommendation to average calories and people's maintenance varies).
Anyway, the 10% of calories recommendation from the US Dietary Guidelines and the WHO, among other sources, as well as the 5% is even better recommendation from the WHO apply only to ADDED sugar (and stuff like juice and honey), not all sugar, which is what MFP's is about.
The WHO recommendation assumes that more added sugar means more calories overall (often from the fat that the sugar gets packaged with) and that's the reason for the limit, not sugar being uniquely bad. Therefore, I take it with a grain of salt but on the whole it's decent advice to help ensure you are eating a nutrient-dense diet.
The higher MFP number is intended to account for the fact that people also eat sugar in foods like fruit, veg, and dairy, but is too low if you eat a lot of these (especially lots of fruit), since people in the US (and UK and probably a number of other countries) don't on average eat that many veg and fruits. There is no credible evidence that eating a healthful balanced diet with adequate protein and healthy fats that also happens to be high in sugar from fruits and veg is a problem in any way.
Therefore, if you are going to try to use the 26 g number (which I wouldn't), I'd subtract the sugars from foods like fruits and veg and dairy.0 -
I am removing my comment, (cant seem to find the delete button) but i see this thread went off the rails a while ago. I'll try another one.
Ah, too bad, but the answer stands if you are interested or want to discuss.
Oh, I might as well add:If I eat a piece of fruit (let's say granny smith apple) it has 17g of sugar in it. But an apple isnt "bad" for you. Now, if i ate some candy that also had 17g of sugar in it, that would be bad, because of it being a processed sugar, correct?
No -- the sugar is quite likely the same. Table sugar is "processed" in that it is taken from plants (sugarcane and sugarbeets) and used in other things. (In candy it might well be HFCS, but that's also not a particularly meaningful difference -- 55% fructose instead of 50% in sucrose.)
Why an apple is different than candy (and I agree it is) has to do with the rest of what's included. Candy is either nothing but sugar (so it basically just contributes calories) or sugar plus fat (often sat or trans fat, although the latter is getting less common), and tends not to have any fiber or micronutrients. An apple with have fiber and micros in addition. Also, the apple has a lot fewer calories by volume (due to water content, as well as fiber), which for many people makes it more filling.1 -
I stick to 2-3 strawberries every morning. In the afternoon if I want a snack I have some cheese and no more than 12 red grapes. Sometimes I add a quarter of an orange to my protein shake. If I buy bananas I buy the very very small ones and I do not have one every day0
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I stick to 2-3 strawberries every morning. In the afternoon if I want a snack I have some cheese and no more than 12 red grapes. Sometimes I add a quarter of an orange to my protein shake. If I buy bananas I buy the very very small ones and I do not have one every day
That's neat.0 -
I stick to 2-3 strawberries every morning. In the afternoon if I want a snack I have some cheese and no more than 12 red grapes. Sometimes I add a quarter of an orange to my protein shake. If I buy bananas I buy the very very small ones and I do not have one every day
Why? Please don't say WHO guidelines0 -
If your blood sugar is okay, I wouldn't worry. If you are diabetic, or prediabetic like me, then you have to limit fruit portions. I pay attention to which fruits have a lower glycemic index. Strawberries and cantaloupe are winners; bananas are in the "be careful, eat small ones" category.
If you do not have a medical condition, feel free to just count the fruit calories and ignore all the other stuff.
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mayoosh_primrose wrote: »I've read several articles about this topic because I eat so much fruit. I came to the conclusion that it's ok to eat as much as you want -unless you have diabetes.
Fruit has fiber and other nutrients that make them really healthy, unlike white sugar and refined carbs.
Sprinkle sugar on broccoli and you get more nutrients with your sugar than from fruit.
BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Okay, I can't.... I can't even imagine eating this! Sounds like a harmless way to prank my husband, though.....
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They still haven't come up with an explanation other than "but fibre!" because, somehow, fibre negates the evil of sugar.
Fibre isn't magic and the blood sugar response to fruit vs fruit juice shows this clearly. It does attenuate the rate of absorption and hence insulin response to whole fruit is less than juice but BG is the same in many cases.
If you look closely at published studies you can see evidence that questions the message of the Florida Citrus Growers that fruit is universally benign. At least 2 fruits are associated with diabetes while several others seem protective.
The tendency to conflate "fruitsandvegetables" may lead to the benefit of one being assigned to the other. In one study fruit consumption was associated with ovarian cancer while vegetables were protective but the headline news was that fruitsandvegetables were protective - just not as much as vegetables without the fruit.
coming from 55 degree North I'm not from a fruit rich environment but I can see how the nice taste and a lifetime of marketing has brainwashed us to thinking it's universally wonderful.
Can you remember which fruits were associated with health problems? I'd like to make sure I'm not eating boatloads of those types.0 -
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