Women don't bulk easily - myth?!

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  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Savyna wrote: »
    Can you post some pics of what it is you see in your arms being really bigger?

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    Okay, not to sound mean or anything, but I don't see much muscle (as in purposely put on size) at all. If you had posted this first, I would have thought you just did yoga or pilates.

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    I don't know what I see anymore I just know I don't like it :(
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    I'm not saying I look muscly I wouldn't mind if I did I just don't want to get bigger
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    brdnw wrote: »
    you're not going to see much muscle growth in just 7 weeks. it takes alot of effort and time to look 'bulky'. there is no myth and a fair amount of your 10lbs is probably water weight as well.
    I've lost 40 in total so I was hoping to be past the water weight stage
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Yeah, that's not bulk, it's definition. If you're not used to your lats(?) being wider than the muscles in front, it's because you've lost some fat in the arm pit area so it just looks different than what you're accustomed to. You look gorgeous, by the way.
    My armpits do seem a little hollow and erm...thank you!
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    Take measurements. Self perception is an absolute bugger and often tells us multitudes of lies, positive and negative. I agree it's probably a loss of body fat making you perceive a gain when in actual fact it's just more definition and pump.

    Even newbie gains, say up to 1lb (not likely but let's just entertain this theory for a second), think about what 1lb of lean meat looks like. 450g or there abouts. Now think abut that spread out amongst all of the muscles in your body. It's not going to make that much of a visual difference. So gains aren't the issue here, your self image is.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,024 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    I'm not saying I look muscly I wouldn't mind if I did I just don't want to get bigger
    If you're in a calorie deficit, you won't. Realize that getting bigger means you are adding mass. You CAN'T add mass unless you're supplying the energy and calories needed to support that. That's how people get overweight in the first place. Eating more than they burn and adding mass (in that case more fat weight). Same goes with gaining muscle. You can't build muscle from nothing. You have to supply calories (especially from protein) in surplus to build more muscle.
    You need to relinquish the thought that you're getting bigger. It ends up becoming a body dysmorphic issue.

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  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Take measurements. Self perception is an absolute bugger and often tells us multitudes of lies, positive and negative. I agree it's probably a loss of body fat making you perceive a gain when in actual fact it's just more definition and pump.

    Even newbie gains, say up to 1lb (not likely but let's just entertain this theory for a second), think about what 1lb of lean meat looks like. 450g or there abouts. Now think abut that spread out amongst all of the muscles in your body. It's not going to make that much of a visual difference. So gains aren't the issue here, your self image is.

    Thank you, I do regret not measuring so far and will buy myself some tape!!
  • Sumiblue
    Sumiblue Posts: 1,597 Member
    You may look more muscular due to fat loss revealing the muscle. Take measurements and see if they go up or down. My shoulders and back are quite muscular (I love it!) because I lost the fat that covered the muscle and made my body look rounder, less defined. Water retention from lifting (muscle repair) gives muscles a temporary pump, too.
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Thank you everyone for your comments, I'm taking away from this that my fear of getting bigger is irrational and that any perceived gain is from fat loss and increased water/pump.
    I'm sorry things got ugly along the way, I guess the Internet can do that - I'm sorry if I was insensitive or offended anyone - it wasn't my intention and I think weight lifters are fantastic (male or female)
    I will keep lifting, start measuring and try to appreciate what I've got a bit more xx
  • goldthistime
    goldthistime Posts: 3,213 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone for your comments, I'm taking away from this that my fear of getting bigger is irrational and that any perceived gain is from fat loss and increased water/pump.
    I'm sorry things got ugly along the way, I guess the Internet can do that - I'm sorry if I was insensitive or offended anyone - it wasn't my intention and I think weight lifters are fantastic (male or female)
    I will keep lifting, start measuring and try to appreciate what I've got a bit more xx

    Your pictures show a different body than I expected. Ignore my comments about losing bf to reveal the beautiful muscles underneath. You look really good right now.

  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone for your comments, I'm taking away from this that my fear of getting bigger is irrational and that any perceived gain is from fat loss and increased water/pump.
    I'm sorry things got ugly along the way, I guess the Internet can do that - I'm sorry if I was insensitive or offended anyone - it wasn't my intention and I think weight lifters are fantastic (male or female)
    I will keep lifting, start measuring and try to appreciate what I've got a bit more xx

    Your pictures show a different body than I expected. Ignore my comments about losing bf to reveal the beautiful muscles underneath. You look really good right now.
    Thank you, that means a lot - I just need to convince myself!

  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    edited July 2016
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Thank you everyone for your comments, I'm taking away from this that my fear of getting bigger is irrational and that any perceived gain is from fat loss and increased water/pump.
    I'm sorry things got ugly along the way, I guess the Internet can do that - I'm sorry if I was insensitive or offended anyone - it wasn't my intention and I think weight lifters are fantastic (male or female)
    I will keep lifting, start measuring and try to appreciate what I've got a bit more xx

    I get it ..and I'm hugely body confident and been at goal for over a year.

    And yet I had a thread last week about reducing muscle, because sometimes your head just goes there and you get a weird split of working really hard & feeling confident and is that result my desired body aesthetic?...my issue was more with my temporary look when purposefully flexing and post gym pump as was beautifully pointed out to me and reminded me to get my head out of my *kitten*

    ...that in no way means that my head doesn't and won't go back there...I've spent decades seeing skinny role models with minimum visible muscle definition, it's hard for me to remove that and replace it with fitness / bodybuilding as a standard to aspire to

    I think it's fine to have your own body aesthetic, doesn't mean you don't appreciate people with completely different aesthetics nor the work that went into it and it shouldn't reflect on other peoples confidence in their own body

    Muscles are great but for women there can be a toss up between our personal feels and where bodybuilding takes us...me I want to lift and to look soft and strong, I don't want to be particularly ripped so I try to keep my BF at the right level for that...but I know I could drop and look slimmer and more defined

  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Thanks I read that post and always smile at the comments you leave others
  • Sumiblue
    Sumiblue Posts: 1,597 Member
    I'm not understanding why you want to lift weights and get to 18% body fat if the shredded look isn't what you are looking for. That (plus adequate protein) is the formula for getting shredded (or buff, lean, whatever term you like).If you lose that much fat you are going to see muscle. According to hydrostatic testing, I am at 20% BF in my profile photo. I look leaner but carry more fat in my Glutes & thighs. Lost so much more fat in my upper body than lower. It does not always come off evenly.

    I'm not criticizing what you are doing-hell, that's what I'm doing. Just wondering if it's really want you want after reading this thread.
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    edited July 2016
    Incidentally I just got back from the gym in shorts and noticed my knees sticking out weirdly - I'm struggling to get used to the body fat loss leaves behind.
    I need to get my head out of my *kitten* too and think about other things!!
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    Sumiblue wrote: »
    I'm not understanding why you want to lift weights and get to 18% body fat if the shredded look isn't what you are looking for. That (plus adequate protein) is the formula for getting shredded (or buff, lean, whatever term you like).If you lose that much fat you are going to see muscle. According to hydrostatic testing, I am at 20% BF in my profile photo. I look leaner but carry more fat in my Glutes & thighs. Lost so much more fat in my upper body than lower. It does not always come off evenly.

    I'm not criticizing what you are doing-hell, that's what I'm doing. Just wondering if it's really want you want after reading this thread.
    I only know my bf% according to the scales, they put me at 19.9 now (I used to be at 30) I just thought going down to 18 might get rid of my stomach fat but that might be wishful thinking.
    I did sit ups today for first time in ages, I send to really struggle but now find it a lot easier so will try and work on my core more.
    I think what I really want is a smaller version of me, I'm a bit disappointed after losing 40lbs I'm just a skinnier version and not really as small as I'd like. I'm 5'10 and a size 10 (uk) but the look I like is much more petite, I think I just have to accept the size I am now...
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    I've got nothing against seeing muscle it's just my new proportions I'm not really a fan of.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Sumiblue wrote: »
    I'm not understanding why you want to lift weights and get to 18% body fat if the shredded look isn't what you are looking for. That (plus adequate protein) is the formula for getting shredded (or buff, lean, whatever term you like).If you lose that much fat you are going to see muscle. According to hydrostatic testing, I am at 20% BF in my profile photo. I look leaner but carry more fat in my Glutes & thighs. Lost so much more fat in my upper body than lower. It does not always come off evenly.

    I'm not criticizing what you are doing-hell, that's what I'm doing. Just wondering if it's really want you want after reading this thread.
    I only know my bf% according to the scales, they put me at 19.9 now (I used to be at 30) I just thought going down to 18 might get rid of my stomach fat but that might be wishful thinking.
    I did sit ups today for first time in ages, I send to really struggle but now find it a lot easier so will try and work on my core more.
    I think what I really want is a smaller version of me, I'm a bit disappointed after losing 40lbs I'm just a skinnier version and not really as small as I'd like. I'm 5'10 and a size 10 (uk) but the look I like is much more petite, I think I just have to accept the size I am now...

    Hey....5'10 and a size 10 is slender ....that's a US 6 ....but you're never going to be 'petite', you have model height

    If I were you I would consider going into maintenance and letting my brain catch up with my body because your stats and your pictures are showing a very slim woman ...you can always restart weight loss if you still want to after a few months

    You've been working your core in your compound lifts and push ups etc :)
  • Sumiblue
    Sumiblue Posts: 1,597 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    Sumiblue wrote: »
    I'm not understanding why you want to lift weights and get to 18% body fat if the shredded look isn't what you are looking for. That (plus adequate protein) is the formula for getting shredded (or buff, lean, whatever term you like).If you lose that much fat you are going to see muscle. According to hydrostatic testing, I am at 20% BF in my profile photo. I look leaner but carry more fat in my Glutes & thighs. Lost so much more fat in my upper body than lower. It does not always come off evenly.

    I'm not criticizing what you are doing-hell, that's what I'm doing. Just wondering if it's really want you want after reading this thread.
    I only know my bf% according to the scales, they put me at 19.9 now (I used to be at 30) I just thought going down to 18 might get rid of my stomach fat but that might be wishful thinking.
    I did sit ups today for first time in ages, I send to really struggle but now find it a lot easier so will try and work on my core more.
    I think what I really want is a smaller version of me, I'm a bit disappointed after losing 40lbs I'm just a skinnier version and not really as small as I'd like. I'm 5'10 and a size 10 (uk) but the look I like is much more petite, I think I just have to accept the size I am now...

    Gotcha. FWIW, scales are not considered very accurate for BF%. Mine is close but still off 1-2%. Or, at least it was the days I got a Bodpod & hydro tested. Those methods, along with Dexa scans, are far more accurate than scales or calipers. In January Bodpod gave me a 21% reading and in March the hydro gave me 20% after losing a few more lbs. I've been lifting for 2 years and don't think I've gained much muscle because I mostly was eating at deficit and recently at maintenance,
  • Kdp2015
    Kdp2015 Posts: 519 Member
    edited July 2016
    Thank you both, that's really helped - I will try to get my head around it and consider maintenance (I tried before but freaked out a bit!)
  • lithezebra
    lithezebra Posts: 3,670 Member
    edited July 2016
    I'm getting sculpted looking arms, and losing off my hips, and feel self conscious about it. This has happened before. When I start seeing changes, I feel like I look like a guy. Then it all works out.
  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    If I remember right you posted a thread in Motivation recently with a picture of your stomach. You'd be way better off eating at maintenance and lifting if your focus is a soft stomach. You are under muscled, not over fat.
  • sunnybeaches105
    sunnybeaches105 Posts: 2,831 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    I'm not saying I look muscly I wouldn't mind if I did I just don't want to get bigger

    Then cut calories. You'll get smaller. You're seeing water weight and a "pump" not significant muscle gains.
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    You look great! Strangely enough when I saw your pic all I could think about was you rocking a nice slinky dress. Certainly not something a manly dude would do I don't think!
  • MarkusDarwath
    MarkusDarwath Posts: 393 Member
    Kdp2015 wrote: »
    I think what I really want is a smaller version of me, I'm a bit disappointed after losing 40lbs I'm just a skinnier version and not really as small as I'd like. I'm 5'10 and a size 10 (uk) but the look I like is much more petite, I think I just have to accept the size I am now...

    No amount of diet and exercise in the world is going to change your bone structure. You need to learn to love what you've done with -your- body rather than idealizing a body type that you just don't have. I guarantee you that a lot of those more petite girls you wish you looked like often wish they were taller.

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