Addicted to diet coke.. help :(
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It isn't really clear why men were not affected, and more studies need to be done.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/09/sodas-tea-and-coffee-which-can-lower-your-bone-density/
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It won't cause cancer or diabetes. However, if it's all you drink, the acidity is not fabulous for your teeth or your bone density. If you can cut back to like 3 cans a day that would be great. There are lots of noncaloric flavored drinks with lower acidity levels. I like the Arizona no calorie green tea, and also no calorie lemonade mixes. I don't like plain water either! Start experimenting with other flavors.0
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AnabolicMind2011 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you continue to comment on these types of threads. People are asking for help. Spreading misinformation isn't helping. Maybe learn the facts for yourself before posting because it's extremely unfair to newcomers that you continue to do this.
It isn't misinformation. Phosphoric acid is in Coca Cola. It dissolves your teeth and studies suggest that it could possibly cause osteoporosis over time with women.
I'm not saying a glass or two a day would necessarily hurt someone. I have no idea what safe limits are. But some people drink 2 liters or even a 6 pack or more a day.
Hydrochloric acid is secreted by the lining of your stomach.
Ascorbic acid is in citrus; commonly called vitamin C.
Acetic acid is a primary component of Apple Cider Vinegar.
Acetylsalicylic acid (also called Aspirin) is used to treat pain and in low doses as a blood thinner.
Any of these will react with the Calcium in teeth or bone, causing it to dissolve.
I have no idea what the safe limit of each of these is, so best to avoid all of them. Just sayin'
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I wonder if people who don't like plain water just have really crappy water supplies. My water is delicious. T_T0
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The toilet thing.... one time I was curious just to see if it really would get the toilet clean like all these silly articles claim. I dumped a can of Diet Coke into the toilet and left it in there for a few hours. Then I flushed it. Zero effect at all! Still had to get the Comet and scrub it the normal way. And no it wasn't ever super gross lol, we have hard water that quickly leaves deposits on all surfaces it contacts.3
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AnabolicMind2011 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you continue to comment on these types of threads. People are asking for help. Spreading misinformation isn't helping. Maybe learn the facts for yourself before posting because it's extremely unfair to newcomers that you continue to do this.
It isn't misinformation. Phosphoric acid is in Coca Cola. It dissolves your teeth and studies suggest that it could possibly cause osteoporosis over time with women.
I'm not saying a glass or two a day would necessarily hurt someone. I have no idea what safe limits are. But some people drink 2 liters or even a 6 pack or more a day.
Hydrochloric acid is secreted by the lining of your stomach.
Ascorbic acid is in citrus; commonly called vitamin C.
Acetic acid is a primary component of Apple Cider Vinegar.
Acetylsalicylic acid (also called Aspirin) is used to treat pain and in low doses as a blood thinner.
Any of these will react with the Calcium in teeth or bone, causing it to dissolve.
Just sayin'
That's fine. I dont understand your point. There are different toxiciy levels. Too much aspirin is bad and could cause an overdose. If you drank a lot of hydrochloric acid it might cause problems. Also if you drank a steady stream of vinegar or many other items it could throw off your body chemistry. If you read OP's first post she indicates she drinks 4 liters of cola a day.1 -
Even if we must debate bone density, it's true that very high soda consumption is awful for your teeth. Dental work is expensive and very not fun. That's enough for me to keep my consumption moderate. Who wants dental problems?
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healthy491 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »doesn't cause weight gain, doesn't cause diabetes, doesn't cause cancer, etc. etc. etc.
The only worry i'd have consuming the amount you're talking about is the damage to your teeth or potential Reflux/Acid symptoms.
Really ? Thanks
literally EVERYONE tells me how bad it is for my health and that I should stop
yeah, there is a lot of misinformation and ignorance out there when it comes to nutrition in general. There's a reason people still believe all kinds of crazy nonsense: "eat breakfast every day" "dont eat after 6" "you have to eat 6 small meals a day", i could go on.
Is it ideal to drink the amount you are? Especially for your teeth and stomach acid level? No, but it certainly doesn't have to be cut out completely. Learning to moderate your intake will be vital.
My suggestion is to force yourself to drink the same volume of water before drinking a diet coke. Want a 12 oz can of diet coke? Drink a 12 oz water first, if you still want a diet coke, then drink it. This will help cut down the volume pretty quickly.
Thanks a lot but the problem is I cant stand water.. it makes me sick
Can you drink flavored waters?0 -
Misinformation *nods*
I simply cannot tell if purposeful trolling with bro-science and inappropriate extrapolations though2 -
MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
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OK, if I ever turn into a mouse, I'll be sure not to take epilogenic (seizure-causing) drugs or undergo electroconvulsive shocks after I drink my diet coke.MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
Contrary to your characterization, this last is not "an FDA paper." It's a recitation of aggregated anecdotes that an outside party--a group called Aspartame Toxicity Information Center, so I'm inclined to doubt they are unbiased--filed with the FDA.
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MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. But only time will tell.
Time has told.... It's fine.5 -
MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
When a study is inconclusive you shouldn't conclude something from it. If you don't conclude anything then there is nothing to be confused by. Correlatives aren't causation but epidemiological studies can and will publish correlations and then speculate as to what they might mean, but when they speculate they make it clear that it they have no evidence of it as being causative. Its a "it might mean this". At that point its speculation and not science, which is fine, but you shouldn't draw conclusions from the speculations.
To test for causality you first need a possible model of HOW something would occur, as in HOW would aspartame, a methylester of a common dipeptide, induce something like insulin resistance. But to do that you have to come up with a reason first and thats rather hard when it doesn't really make sense that it would given what it is.
Aspartame is metabolically digested into methanol and the amino acids phenylalanine and aspartate within your stomach and no aspartame actually makes it intact into your blood. As for those breakdown products methanol is found in any fermented products or any products capable of fermentation, which includes things like fruit juices. In fact fruit juices have a much greater concentration of methanol naturally than you would ever get from the amount contained within a soda. Phenyalanine and asparate are just natural amino acids found in any protein. The amount you would get from a can of soda is about 5% of what you would get from eating just one chicken breast.
If consuming aspartame causes type 2 diabeties then one would expect so would consuming chicken or fruit juices because the metabolic products upon digestion are the same. It doesn't really make sense that it would.
I'm sure you have heard this before but correlation is not causation and you should not look at statistically significant correlations between A and B as evidence that A causes B. As long as you don't do that then there is no conflict in the literature. There are some publications speculating this and some speculating that but you shouldn't be concluding things from speculation and then acting upon that in your life, that is not the intent of speculation.9 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
When a study is inconclusive you shouldn't conclude something from it. If you don't conclude anything then there is nothing to be confused by. Correlatives aren't causation but epidemiological studies can and will publish correlations and then speculate as to what they might mean, but when they speculate they make it clear that it they have no evidence of it as being causative. Its a "it might mean this". At that point its speculation and not science, which is fine, but you shouldn't draw conclusions from the speculations.
To test for causality you first need a possible model of HOW something would occur, as in HOW would aspartame, a methylester of a common dipeptide, induce something like insulin resistance. But to do that you have to come up with a reason first and thats rather hard when it doesn't really make sense that it would given what it is.
Aspartame is metabolically digested into methanol and the amino acids phenylalanine and aspartate within your stomach and no aspartame actually makes it intact into your blood. As for those breakdown products methanol is found in any fermented products or any products capable of fermentation, which includes things like fruit juices. In fact fruit juices have a much greater concentration of methanol naturally than you would ever get from the amount contained within a soda. Phenyalanine and asparate are just natural amino acids found in any protein. The amount you would get from a can of soda is about 5% of what you would get from eating just one chicken breast.
If consuming aspartame causes type 2 diabeties then one would expect so would consuming chicken or fruit juices because the metabolic products upon digestion are the same. It doesn't really make sense that it would.
I'm sure you have heard this before but correlation is not causation and you should not look at statistically significant correlations between A and B as evidence that A causes B. As long as you don't do that then there is no conflict in the literature. There are some publications speculating this and some speculating that but you shouldn't be concluding things from speculation and then acting upon that in your life, that is not the intent of speculation.
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Edit to add...Need more coffee9 -
MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. But only time will tell.
Time has told.... It's fine.
How long has it been now.... 50 years? 60?
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I've filled my 1.06 pt diet coke bottles with water problem is now I forgo the water for more diet coke. Definitely feels better to drink water after sweaty exercise than diet coke.1
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MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
Oh! I read the Harvard article wrong. It says, "The health BENEFITS of diet drinks are inconclusive, with research showing mixed findings."
This article is referring to all artificial sweeteners not just the aspartame in a diet Coke.
I do worry about the toxins which are probably being handled well in smaller quantities, but what about any cumulative, long term effects?0 -
only bad thing about diet soda is that i can eat more after i drink it, even if im full to the top one can of diet pepsi and im good to go again0
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »I wonder if people who don't like plain water just have really crappy water supplies. My water is delicious. T_T
I think that this is probably true. I don't like the "taste" of my well water. You are very fortunate to have great water!1 -
Oh honey, I hear ya! Just look at my name!
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To answer your question : why dont I like water?
Well when I was a kid we NEVER drank water at home only Pepsi or Coca Cola or Sprite so I never got used to the taste of water. When I was overweight I switched to flavoured water but it is 30 calories per 1.5L bottle which is quite a lot so I switched to Diet coke.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »doesn't cause weight gain, doesn't cause diabetes, doesn't cause cancer, etc. etc. etc.
The only worry i'd have consuming the amount you're talking about is the damage to your teeth or potential Reflux/Acid symptoms.
is more harmful than regular soda. has many chemicals used as artificial sweetner. i was like you, but w/ diet pepsi. after i quit, i actually lost weight! today i stick w/ la croix. no additives, just bubbles! love all the different flavors, a little more expensive, but at least it is a healthier option.
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Alluminati wrote: »RaptorMommy wrote: »It took my husband 3 separate attempts to kick it. If people brush it off like its no big deal, just know that its not in your head. I watched my husband try and fail twice. Its no joke. That stuff is chemically balanced with the caffeine and sugar and who knows what else to make you crave it. BUT I will say, he quit all soda, has been diet soda (and soda free) for years and is very happy he quit. You don't realize the hold it has on you until you stop drinking it! And he says that now that he's done with it, he really doesn't know what he liked about it. He's had a little since then, and other sodas too, and he can't even drink them any more. We don't drink any sweet beverages, so no sweetened coffee/tea, no soda or juice. We do drink seltzer, and we put stuff in our water like fruit and lemon and such. I say go for it, and fight the good fight! You will save a bunch of money without it, and you will feel better for having done it!
Are you aware that the OP is talking about diet Coke or did you miss that tidbit?
it is highly addictive, they definately put something in it to keep you coming back.!
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What concerns me isn't the drinking soda, but the lack of water. We need it! If you've never had it regularly your whole life, you probably don't realize what it's like to not be dehydrated, which effects you on both the physical and mental level. I REALLY REALLY think you should try to learn to drink it, even if you start with just a few ounces a day. I think the suggestion above to drink one glass of water for every glass of coke is a good one. I know lots of people flavor their water--maybe you could try that! Or like I said, start with just a few ounces a day and try to work your way up to more. Water is very important to our mental and physical well being--dehydration makes you very crabby--I am urging you to overcome this.
Diet soda is 98% water.
but still all the additives, i agree w/ just some real water sometimes makes you feel so good and can fill you up when hungry!0 -
I've been drinking diet soda for at least 30 years. Every single day, multiple cans. 30 years of artificial sweetener and I have no negative health problems because of this. I've lost a ton of weight while drinking a 2 liter + a day. There is nothing wrong with it.
if you do a little digging on it you will find all sorts of things about it. i too was an ever day liter. the only way i quit was because i was in the hospital and they would not give it to me. soda will clean your toilet, will clean around your battery cables and many more examples, but i will stop. i drank for the caeffine and to keep from eating. i am not innocent of this, just started to realize their are health hazards. jmo
truth!stevencloser wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »RaptorMommy wrote: »That stuff is chemically balanced with the caffeine and sugar and who knows what else to make you crave it.
That makes no sense, whatsoever.
Diet soda doesn't have sugar, and some have caffeine but usually less (per volume) than coffee. Craving something doesn't always mean that it's bad, you might just really like it and want more. I'm craving cabbage right now, most definitely not because it's been modified to make me want more of it.
To the OP, you're going to get a lot of people throwing fake science at you to support their beliefs that diet sodas are bad. While I agree that you might be drinking so much of them that it'll hurt your teeth, they won't make you gain weight. Diet sodas personally help me to keep my calories in check by cutting my craving for sweets.
Thanks so much for answering me ! Its like everytime I am convinced that diet soda is fine , someone comes up with an article about how bad it is for me !
well, you know. People can come up with articles talking about how aliens built the pyramids and how Obama is a reptilian who was also born in Africa and is a Muslim.
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coreyreichle wrote: »RaptorMommy wrote: »It took my husband 3 separate attempts to kick it. If people brush it off like its no big deal, just know that its not in your head. I watched my husband try and fail twice. Its no joke. That stuff is chemically balanced with the caffeine and sugar and who knows what else to make you crave it. BUT I will say, he quit all soda, has been diet soda (and soda free) for years and is very happy he quit. You don't realize the hold it has on you until you stop drinking it! And he says that now that he's done with it, he really doesn't know what he liked about it. He's had a little since then, and other sodas too, and he can't even drink them any more. We don't drink any sweet beverages, so no sweetened coffee/tea, no soda or juice. We do drink seltzer, and we put stuff in our water like fruit and lemon and such. I say go for it, and fight the good fight! You will save a bunch of money without it, and you will feel better for having done it!
There is no sugar in diet soda.
just chemical additives.....0 -
healthy491 wrote: »So today I went to a confectionery and bought a diet coke and the store owner and my dad started giving me a lecture about how its bad for me , causes diabetes , weight gain etc.
I am kinda worried now as I am literally addicted and love it and its all I drink since I really hate water I drink about 4 Litres a day ( I know its a lot ). Anyone has an idea regarding what I can do ?
do your own research.....0 -
PennWalker wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »So today I went to a confectionery and bought a diet coke and the store owner and my dad started giving me a lecture about how its bad for me , causes diabetes , weight gain etc.
I am kinda worried now as I am literally addicted and love it and its all I drink since I really hate water I drink about 4 Litres a day ( I know its a lot ). Anyone has an idea regarding what I can do ?
Coke of all kinds is about as acidic than battery acid (I learned that in a science class). You can use it to clean rust off your car.
http://www.livescience.com/7198-acids-popular-sodas-erode-tooth-enamel.html
Don't tell yourself that you hate water -- give yourself a more positive message. Become a water freak. Put chilled bottles of water in your fridge. Try water with a slice of lemon or lime over ice. Buy yourself a gorgeous water bottle and carry it everywhere.
The kindergarten teachers use Coca Cola to clean dried paste off of scissors. It makes a great cleaner.
So would vomit, just messier and smellier.
And most importantly, far stronger than anything you can safely drink.5 -
MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
1st link was giving rats doses 1000 times higher than any human would consume
2nd is complete woo woo
3rd is a docket. A docket is a letter sent to the FDA. It is not made by the FDA. Ther person who sent it to them is a known quack.5 -
MissJanet55 wrote: »I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.
This science paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.
I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. But only time will tell.
Time has told.... It's fine.
How long has it been now.... 50 years? 60?
51 years ago discovered, 16 years of testing, 35 years ago accepted as a food additive.2
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