Addicted to diet coke.. help :(

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  • sunnybeaches105
    sunnybeaches105 Posts: 2,831 Member
    edited August 2016
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    JayWillis99 wrote: »
    There's a difference between a (1) diet soda and a (2) diet caffeine-free soda. The caffeine-free soda solves the problem of caffeine. And it's usually the same price as the soda. But many still claim that diet sodas maintain the hunger and the craving for more of all food, not just sweets. The science backs it up, that people who drink sodas crave a greater amount of all foods [science]. But then again, you are filling yourself up to the point of the gag-reflex if you drink 4 liters or more of anything. So the diet soda will help you if you drink excessive amounts of it, while the soda won't help if you drink only 12 oz or 32 oz. [anecdotal]. Finally, there's often a note on the side of the container that says how many milligrams of caffeine is in the drink. Compare Red Bull to Diet Pepsi. I notice many of the 2 liter products do post the milligram amount of caffeine. So if you cut down on the posted caffeine, and increase the total liters, you should be fine. No I'm not a physician or a personal trainer.

    Caffeine improves performance in endurance sports, helps increase focus, and helps keep people awake. Why exactly is caffeine in moderation bad? As for the cravings and appetite points, I think you'll find that many of us don't experience that issue at all, and the science on that isn't as clear as you imply.

    ETA: I have to track this down and read the actual study, but the first video in the link below claims they've found a major link between caffeine consumption and reduction in suicide rates. From personal experience and my morning moods, I'd think there would be a reduction in random murders, but hey . . .

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/drinking-too-much-water-can-be-deadly-new-guidelines-healthy-water-consumption-warns-340604
  • JennB629
    JennB629 Posts: 54 Member
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    I drink diet iced tea. I gave up soda completely years ago. I have 1 to 2 cups a day. But I mostly drink water. Try adding some artificial flavor to it. I like the peach tea you can add to them. It's only 5 calories.
  • daniip_la
    daniip_la Posts: 678 Member
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    JayWillis99 wrote: »
    • There's a difference between a (1) diet soda and a (2) diet caffeine-free soda. The caffeine-free soda solves the problem of caffeine. And it's usually the same price as the soda. But many still claim that diet sodas maintain the hunger and the craving for more of all food, not just sweets. The science backs it up, that people who drink sodas crave a greater amount of all foods [science].

    I swore I had said my piece in this thread and was going to stay out of it, but can you post your peer-reviewed, scientific literature sources for the claim that 'people who drink sodas crave a greater amount of all foods'? That seems like a very important claim, and I'd like to read the research behind it.
  • JayWillisBBA_AATCIS_BA_AAMath
    JayWillisBBA_AATCIS_BA_AAMath Posts: 98 Member
    edited August 2016
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  • JayWillisBBA_AATCIS_BA_AAMath
    JayWillisBBA_AATCIS_BA_AAMath Posts: 98 Member
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    daniip_la wrote: »
    [...]you post your peer-reviewed, scientific literature sources for the claim that 'people who drink sodas crave a greater amount of all foods'? That seems like a very important claim, and I'd like to read the research behind it.
    Uhm. Yeah, you're right.
  • healthy491
    healthy491 Posts: 384 Member
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    Okay , honestly , I dont think we'll get to a conclusion any time soon. I think it would be a good idea that before you imply something about a product , you make sure you have PROOF and sources to back up your idea.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    edited August 2016
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    JayWillis99 wrote: »
    daniip_la wrote: »
    [...]you post your peer-reviewed, scientific literature sources for the claim that 'people who drink sodas crave a greater amount of all foods'? That seems like a very important claim, and I'd like to read the research behind it.
    Uhm. Yeah, you're right.

    I would like to see that/those peer reviewed article(s) on this one as well. Can you please share, since you are making such a claim?

    I always thought that diet soda made me hungrier, but soon learned that it's the bubbly effect in any carbonated drinks due to Gastritis and GERD.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
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    Debbish1 wrote: »
    Diet coke is chemicals. Why do we want to drink chemicals. They make it taste so good. I would slowly ween myself off of it. If we drink chemicals we will damage our body. Please take care of yourself, you are worth it!!

    Everything you ingest is made of chemicals.
  • eire7981
    eire7981 Posts: 5 Member
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    I am one that agrees that that we need to cut sodas of all varieties if we want to feel good. That being said, I have found that if I go to water with fresh squeezed lemon in it daily I do okay. Doing it that way, I didn't seem to have the headaches and general irritability while leaving my dr. pepper. Some people have said that perhaps it is because the lemon in the water helped to detox and flush my body. I don't know. I just know that I was able to leave my good friend, dr. pepper behind by doing it this way. Overall, I feel much, much better. No scientific evidence, just my own testimonial.
  • sunnybeaches105
    sunnybeaches105 Posts: 2,831 Member
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    malibu927 wrote: »
    Debbish1 wrote: »
    Diet coke is chemicals. Why do we want to drink chemicals. They make it taste so good. I would slowly ween myself off of it. If we drink chemicals we will damage our body. Please take care of yourself, you are worth it!!

    The biggest chemical in diet soda is dihydrogen monoxide, which is found in nearly everything

    Hyponatremia can kill. People need to cut back on that stuff.

    http://www.medicaldaily.com/drinking-too-much-water-can-be-deadly-new-guidelines-healthy-water-consumption-warns-340604
  • vicmod
    vicmod Posts: 3 Member
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    There is an increasing correlation between artificial sweeteners/diet sodas and weight gain and type 2 diabetes. One study I recently read noted that when we eat sweet things our digestive tracts increase the absorption of calories and that this may be one factor in weight gain. "Sweet" includes artificial sweeteners. If I can find that article I'll post a link.

    The brain regulates hunger and satiety. It is a super complex process. No one on this site knows definitively the effects of artificial sweeteners on this process. With the increasing number of studies showing an increased risk for weight gain and diabetes (and therefore cardiovascular disease) we can make a strong guess that there is a negative effect on our metabolism. It's not worth the risk for me.

    The idea that nothing is wrong with the regular consumption of sugary or diet sodas or that they don't cause side effects is ridiculous. Addiction is not normal. Neither are rotting teeth, digestive difficulties, kidney stones, nor the cellular damage that the preservatives are known to cause.

    Here are easy links I've found regarding this issue from reasonably reputable sources.
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/artificial-sweeteners-and-weight-gain/?_r=0 https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
    http://www.prevention.com/food/healthy-eating-tips/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you
  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
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    eire7981 wrote: »
    I am one that agrees that that we need to cut sodas of all varieties if we want to feel good. That being said, I have found that if I go to water with fresh squeezed lemon in it daily I do okay. Doing it that way, I didn't seem to have the headaches and general irritability while leaving my dr. pepper. Some people have said that perhaps it is because the lemon in the water helped to detox and flush my body. I don't know. I just know that I was able to leave my good friend, dr. pepper behind by doing it this way. Overall, I feel much, much better. No scientific evidence, just my own testimonial.

    Your kidneys cleanse your blood every day. If you have somehow ingested toxins, all the lemon in the world is not going to do one single thing for you. Except give you some Vitamin C. :)
  • snickerscharlie
    snickerscharlie Posts: 8,578 Member
    edited August 2016
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    double post
  • queenliz99
    queenliz99 Posts: 15,317 Member
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    vicmod wrote: »
    There is an increasing correlation between artificial sweeteners/diet sodas and weight gain and type 2 diabetes. One study I recently read noted that when we eat sweet things our digestive tracts increase the absorption of calories and that this may be one factor in weight gain. "Sweet" includes artificial sweeteners. If I can find that article I'll post a link.

    The brain regulates hunger and satiety. It is a super complex process. No one on this site knows definitively the effects of artificial sweeteners on this process. With the increasing number of studies showing an increased risk for weight gain and diabetes (and therefore cardiovascular disease) we can make a strong guess that there is a negative effect on our metabolism. It's not worth the risk for me.

    The idea that nothing is wrong with the regular consumption of sugary or diet sodas or that they don't cause side effects is ridiculous. Addiction is not normal. Neither are rotting teeth, digestive difficulties, kidney stones, nor the cellular damage that the preservatives are known to cause.

    Here are easy links I've found regarding this issue from reasonably reputable sources.
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/artificial-sweeteners-and-weight-gain/?_r=0 https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
    http://www.prevention.com/food/healthy-eating-tips/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you

    You are getting your information from blogs? and newspapers? and magazines?
  • sunnybeaches105
    sunnybeaches105 Posts: 2,831 Member
    edited August 2016
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    vicmod wrote: »
    There is an increasing correlation between artificial sweeteners/diet sodas and weight gain and type 2 diabetes. One study I recently read noted that when we eat sweet things our digestive tracts increase the absorption of calories and that this may be one factor in weight gain. "Sweet" includes artificial sweeteners. If I can find that article I'll post a link.

    The brain regulates hunger and satiety. It is a super complex process. No one on this site knows definitively the effects of artificial sweeteners on this process. With the increasing number of studies showing an increased risk for weight gain and diabetes (and therefore cardiovascular disease) we can make a strong guess that there is a negative effect on our metabolism. It's not worth the risk for me.

    The idea that nothing is wrong with the regular consumption of sugary or diet sodas or that they don't cause side effects is ridiculous. Addiction is not normal. Neither are rotting teeth, digestive difficulties, kidney stones, nor the cellular damage that the preservatives are known to cause.

    Here are easy links I've found regarding this issue from reasonably reputable sources.
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/artificial-sweeteners-and-weight-gain/?_r=0 https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
    http://www.prevention.com/food/healthy-eating-tips/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you

    I worked up from the bottom and had to stop there. The last one talks about "detoxing" and the second from the bottom included the quote below.

    “While they are not magic bullets, smart use of non-nutritive sweeteners could help you reduce added sugars in your diet, therefore lowering the number of calories you eat. Reducing calories could help you attain and maintain a healthy body weight, and thereby lower your risk of heart disease and diabetes,” said Dr. Christopher Gardner, an associate professor of medicine at Stanford University in California, in a press release accompanying the scientific statement.

    What is the concern again? Oh, wild speculation about things there is little evidence for? Okay, got it. Please read nutrition articles carefully, check the links, and then look for counter arguments. These things are usually designed to draw people in, but the bodies of the articles are often counter to the wild claims in the titles.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    eire7981 wrote: »
    I am one that agrees that that we need to cut sodas of all varieties if we want to feel good. That being said, I have found that if I go to water with fresh squeezed lemon in it daily I do okay. Doing it that way, I didn't seem to have the headaches and general irritability while leaving my dr. pepper. Some people have said that perhaps it is because the lemon in the water helped to detox and flush my body. I don't know. I just know that I was able to leave my good friend, dr. pepper behind by doing it this way. Overall, I feel much, much better. No scientific evidence, just my own testimonial.

    Detoxing one's body is a myth. :)
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    vicmod wrote: »
    There is an increasing correlation between artificial sweeteners/diet sodas and weight gain and type 2 diabetes. One study I recently read noted that when we eat sweet things our digestive tracts increase the absorption of calories and that this may be one factor in weight gain. "Sweet" includes artificial sweeteners. If I can find that article I'll post a link.

    The brain regulates hunger and satiety. It is a super complex process. No one on this site knows definitively the effects of artificial sweeteners on this process. With the increasing number of studies showing an increased risk for weight gain and diabetes (and therefore cardiovascular disease) we can make a strong guess that there is a negative effect on our metabolism. It's not worth the risk for me.

    The idea that nothing is wrong with the regular consumption of sugary or diet sodas or that they don't cause side effects is ridiculous. Addiction is not normal. Neither are rotting teeth, digestive difficulties, kidney stones, nor the cellular damage that the preservatives are known to cause.

    Here are easy links I've found regarding this issue from reasonably reputable sources.
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/artificial-sweeteners-and-weight-gain/?_r=0 https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
    http://www.prevention.com/food/healthy-eating-tips/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you

    Your sources are just other people's opinions, not scientifically based and peer reviewed articles. All of us have opinions, but that does not create fact.
  • AnabolicMind2011
    AnabolicMind2011 Posts: 211 Member
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    DebSozo wrote: »
    MissJanet55 wrote: »
    I'm not one to argue on internet forums, but there is a lot of documentation.

    This science paper:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1474447/
    And this piece on safefood, although this group obviously has a point of view:
    http://www.safefood.org.nz/aspartaddict.html
    An FDA paper on aspartame toxicity:
    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt

    And many more. There are also pieces saying it is perfectly safe, so pick your poison. But one thing is sure - giving it up is not going to hurt you.



    I saw a lot of articles that say it is not harmful also. It is confusing because studies are inconclusive.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/

    So if your confused about the Topic @DebSozo then why do continue to give advice? Why not do your own research( from reputable sources not quick Google searches) and educate yourself before trying to advise others?

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